Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

[cheese muffin]

According to a recent poll, 3 out of 4 doctors believe that God is performing medical miracles on earth right now.

Most Christians believe God is curing cancers, healing diseases, reversing the effects of poison and so on.

So here is the question:
Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

It's a simple question isn't it?

We all know that amputated legs do not regenerate in response to prayer.

Amputees get no miracle from God.

If you are an intelligent Christian, you have to admit this is an interested question.
-On the one hand, you believe that God answers prayers and performs miracles.
-On the other, you know that God completely ignores amputees when they pray for miracles.

How do you deal with this discrepancy? As a person that I assume is not completely retarded, you have to deal with it because it makes no sense. In order to handle it, notice that you have to create some sort of rationalization. You have to invent an excuse on God's behalf to explain this strange fact of life

You might say:
"Well, God must have a special plan for amputees."

However, whenever a young woman discovers that the tumor in her brain is benign. Or that the positive aids test that a young man received was faulty, you will proclaim it to be an act of God. That God has bestowed upon you his mercy and given you a miracle.

Conclusion?

-Prayers, when put together with "miracles" are mere coincidences.
-When one prayer is "answered" it's easy to ignore all the other one's that are ignored. Pray enough times and eventually a "miracle" will coincide with it.
-Kind of like a person that take 500 decent full court shots at a basket ball hoop. When he misses 499 times and finally he makes it, he will claim it was his skill, and not just luck, coincidence, or a random happenchance.


(btw, I can't take credit for this argument. This is from a site, but since filecabi moderators seem to get a finger up their ass when they see a link, I won't post it)

[K-Lab]

God doesn't exist.Plain and simple.

[Big Ozzie]

LOL...Guess how I voted...ya soggy cheese puff! :1orglaugh: :1orglaugh:
You didn't make it more than one choice, so I picked the best one, LMFAO!
Why post this poll and topic in the general forum,
isn't this something for the fight room?
All that you are going to get are all the "self proclaimed atheist"
posting something stupid like "God doesn't exist.Plain and simple."
Oh.....wait a sec........OPPS!:omg:
Then the Bible Thumpers will post some stupid comment like you stated...
"Cause God has other plans...."


My brother's wife and her parents are very, very religious.
When my brother had Kidney stones, the Doctors shattered them with
ultra sound waves while he sat in a tank of water.
His mother-in-law told me that it was a miracle how God cured my brother.
I told her "No it was not! The miracle was that man was given the ability to learn about the Human Body and developed techniques such as this to help cure ailments."
She hates me for saying that! Old Fookin Cow!
BUT, there was a Miracle in my family. The same brother has a son who is now 31. When he was 7, he suddenly fell ill and his stomach blew up like he had swallowed a basketball. The Doctors diagnosed it as a rare childhood cancer with a survival rate of 0.0%. They told us to prepare for his death as he only had about 2-3 months to live.
He was taken to about a dozen Doctors, different specialist, different Hospitals.....they all concurred the same bad news.
There was nothing we could do.
His mom prayed 24/7 at his bedside. So did his Grandparents and dozens of members from his Church.
He came home and they continued to visit and Pray for him for God to intervene.
60 days past...then 90....6 months came and he went back to the Doctor.
The Cancer was gone...COMPLETELY!
No Chemo, No Radiation, just Meds to ease the pain if needed.
To me, this was a miracle....the Doctors agreed.
I have my own beliefs, but they are personal.

[crazyjoe]

self proclaimed atheist here :1bluewinky:

if there is a god it's dumb to ask a question like "why won't you answer my prayers" and listening to an explanation from a priests/rabis/etc is dumb too. They aren't going to know. The only knowledge they have comes from books written by man supposedly being the word of god.

Trying to explain why "God" does or doesn't do something is like trying to explain why your card doesn't come up on the river when you're playing texas hold 'em.

Or why your lotto numbers came up when you didn't play them.

[brownbearclan]

One of the dumbest threads ever. :rolleyes:

Lizards can grow limbs back, supposedly there is research being done into seeing what makes this possible with the hopes of somehow using it to help regrow human limbs someday.

So this brings up the question, would you want a hand back if it were covered in scales? Jerking off might be out of the question, keep this in mind lol.

[verticalkiller]

What makes you think God doesn't answer amputee prayers? Not all amputees pray for their legs or arms back. It seems like you just started this thread to start a fight, you can't be serious.

[cheese muffin]

What makes you think God doesn't answer amputee prayers? Not all amputees pray for their legs or arms back. It seems like you just started this thread to start a fight, you can't be serious.
One of the dumbest threads ever. :rolleyes:

Lizards can grow limbs back, supposedly there is research being done into seeing what makes this possible with the hopes of somehow using it to help regrow human limbs someday.

So this brings up the question, would you want a hand back if it were covered in scales? Jerking off might be out of the question, keep this in mind lol.

I think you two should actually read the original post in its entirety before beginning to flame it.

I say this mainly because of brownbearclan who seems to think the post is about stroking it with a scaly lizard hand.

[Snuff.]

Spiritually, this is a totally flaccid argument against nothing. For the religiously minded, God is omnipresent. It doesn`t matter to what effect: every conceivable nuance of existence is the direct result of his conception.

[cheese muffin]

LOL...Guess how I voted...ya soggy cheese puff! :1orglaugh: :1orglaugh:

Why post this poll and topic in the general forum,
isn't this something for the fight room?


I figured if the real flaming begins the mods would move it anyways. I remember alot of flaming chitchat from VK before i left on this topic i believe. Or perhaps another thread? not sure.


BUT, there was a Miracle in my family. The same brother has a son who is now 31. When he was 7, he suddenly fell ill and his stomach blew up like he had swallowed a basketball. The Doctors diagnosed it as a rare childhood cancer with a survival rate of 0.0%. They told us to prepare for his death as he only had about 2-3 months to live.
He was taken to about a dozen Doctors, different specialist, different Hospitals.....they all concurred the same bad news.
There was nothing we could do.
His mom prayed 24/7 at his bedside. So did his Grandparents and dozens of members from his Church.
He came home and they continued to visit and Pray for him for God to intervene.
60 days past...then 90....6 months came and he went back to the Doctor.
The Cancer was gone...COMPLETELY!
No Chemo, No Radiation, just Meds to ease the pain if needed.
To me, this was a miracle....the Doctors agreed.
I have my own beliefs, but they are personal.

Though I think it serves to reiterate my own argument, thanks for the coherent retort.

[cheese muffin]

Spiritually, this is a totally flaccid argument against nothing. For the religiously minded, God is omnipresent. It doesn`t matter to what effect: every conceivable nuance of existence is the direct result of his conception.

I can imagine George Orwell spinning in his grave at the moment. Snuff you've just displayed half of the things he said not to do when replying to an argument. Read his essay "Politics and the English Language".

What snuff meant for those of you who don't feel like deciphering is basically this: "This is a droopy argument with no purpose. For those who believe, God is universal.
No matter what, everything that exists is because of God."

Sorry, this argument has a purpose. And of course those who believe in God think he is responsible for everything. Thanks for being Cpt Obvious.

Btw you didn't really "reply" to the argument, you just made a statement. Read Orwell buddy.

[verticalkiller]

I think you two should actually read the original post in its entirety before beginning to flame it.

I say this mainly because of brownbearclan who seems to think the post is about stroking it with a scaly lizard hand.

Ahh, I see. Honestly I only read about half of it. Either way whether or not the original poster is joking

A: It was just plain ignorant
B: It was too ignorant to be a funny joke

Maybe im being too over religious?

[Raidenator]

I can imagine George Orwell spinning in his grave at the moment. Snuff you've just displayed half of the things he said not to do when replying to an argument. Read his essay "Politics and the English Language".

What snuff meant for those of you who don't feel like deciphering is basically this: "This is a droopy argument with no purpose. For those who believe, God is universal.
No matter what, everything that exists is because of God."

Sorry, this argument has a purpose. And of course those who believe in God think he is responsible for everything. Thanks for being Cpt Obvious.

Btw you didn't really "reply" to the argument, you just made a statement. Read Orwell buddy.

Snuff isn't a religious man, I don't know if you know that. He's an atheist if I remember right.

I'd love to reply on behalf of a "God" arguement, but it'll have to wait. Time to go back to work.

[MontysDouble]

^^^ So was Orwell.

Well, to take a stance: Perhaps god not healing amputees is his mysterious way of making us improve prosthetic limb technology, as a necessary step towards making androids. Perhaps too, he doesn't cure stupidity so we are forced to conduct research into developing AI.

"For there is no god but god, and and Asimov was his prophet."

[Raidenator]

Well, a lot of people believe in God as a father figure type thing. That being said...God wouldn't give us everything.

As a parent, you can't indulge to your childs every request. It's good to do it every once in a while, but they have to understand that as a parent, you can't just give them everything they want. It's part of humility. Besides, I can't remember who brought it up but perhaps it is for humankinds betterment. This way we're constantly developing technology to better ourselves for the things we lack.

Still, that's one of the reasons I don't believe in this God that everyone talks about in the churches. That's a different story though.

[Monstermash]

I have read about cases where people are cured of seemingly incurable diseases, against the odds. Are these miracles or are these just statistical anomalies, scientists and doctors don't know everything, its possible that the body fights these things in ways they don't completely understand. It is strange that on one hand prayers can be answered for illnesses but not if your leg or arm etc is chopped off. God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform :D Sometimes I'm a believer, other times not. There is just so much bad stuff going on in the world, if God really does exist, why does he let all this bad stuff happen :( Maybe its that believers don't believe limbs can grow back (at least not strongly enough) so this is why their prayers are not answered :) It's also well known that a persons attitude to their condition, their 'outlook' can effect the outcome, not everyones body is the same, nature makes all of us that 'slightly' bit different, otherwise we would all be killed off by the same virus, just a thought. I still find 'miracles' interesting though I don't understand them.

[Josh85]

I think God is just another word for "luck" or "chance" in these cases. In fact it probably means luck in some ancient language.

[Borro]

I pray to Joe Pesci too.

Think this was on FileCabi a little while ago.

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[MontysDouble]

I have read about cases where people are cured of seemingly incurable diseases, against the odds. Are these miracles or are these just statistical anomalies, scientists and doctors don't know everything, its possible that the body fights these things in ways they don't completely understand. It is strange that on one hand prayers can be answered for illnesses but not if your leg or arm etc is chopped off. God works in mysterious ways, his wonders to perform :D ...And there's your explanation for medical miracles. Thanks MM! ;)

There's nothing miraculous about the treatments we develop for disease. There's nothing miraculous about organic life itself; it's the wrong word here: I prefer astounding- no metaphysical connotations.

Now, consciousness and sentience are a whole different kettle of fish...

[UncoverReality]

The subject of miracles is one that really pisses me off.

There are men and women performing miracles in hospitals every fucking day. MEN and WOMEN. People seem to forget that.

[MontysDouble]

Perhaps, God was saving up?

http://www.filecabi.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14805

Good luck to the kid, and hats off to the surgeons and nurses.

[loadrunner]

I heard, God only can give you an arm, when he took one of you.. When a doctor removes an arm, he can't do anything about it...

But enough of that... 20 years ago, Daddy told me about Santa.
But when is the day The Pope tells about God?

Seen very scary guys, talking in footballstadium, 1000s of people listning and arms wide open. I think those fellows just tell what the people want to hear, when people keep paying for it, he won't stop.

But why don't we awaken, and open our eyes, waiting for a small miracle for about 2000 years. And if something happens, they say it is becouse of God, Not becouse of the Strong and healing toughts of the humankind itselve. If you want to heal, or do something, say "I have the power, to do it" Otherwise, you never can do it. Waiting for someone else to help you? Do it yourselve, and see

[Snuff.]

I can imagine George Orwell spinning in his grave at the moment. Snuff you've just displayed half of the things he said not to do when replying to an argument. Read his essay "Politics and the English Language".

What snuff meant for those of you who don't feel like deciphering is basically this: "This is a droopy argument with no purpose. For those who believe, God is universal.
No matter what, everything that exists is because of God."

Sorry, this argument has a purpose. And of course those who believe in God think he is responsible for everything. Thanks for being Cpt Obvious.

Btw you didn't really "reply" to the argument, you just made a statement. Read Orwell buddy.

Look at you! All fresh faced and wobbly legged - the placenta of rationalism and critical thought dangling from your mouth. *Ruffles Cheese Muffin`s hair*

I admit that I replied to the thread on the strength of the title and that the content is more substantial that I gathered. ...Barely - it`s still a pathetically weak argument.

And of course 'it has a purpose', otherwise it wouldn`t be an argument, Captain Obvious. It`s simply an inane one.

[MontysDouble]

^^^ Since when does the offspring eat the placenta? ;)

I have to admit: Cheesemuffin has a point with his post you just quoted Snuff.

Spiritually, this is a totally flaccid argument against nothing. For the religiously minded, God is omnipresent. It doesn`t matter to what effect: every conceivable nuance of existence is the direct result of his conception.This is nonspecific, to say the least. For this, it is an devastatingly effective post- albeit on a very different level to most of the others in this thread. :xyxthumbs:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y148/Zippozeppo/OverheadProjector.jpg

[HeyBuddy]

I think that people misunderstand the way God works in our lives. I couldn't remember exactly how the story went, so I found someone else's account of it. So it's a quote from an unknown source, but I think it sums up my response to the question rather well.

This reminds me of the story about the man who is caught in the middle of the flood, and prays to be God to be rescued. As the waters are rising around his house, a policeman knocks on his door and pleads with him to leave for higher ground. "No thanks," is the response, "God will save me." A little while later, after the waters have risen near the top of the house and the man has climbed on the roof, a boat comes by. The would-be rescuer pleads with the man to get in the boat, but again he says, "No thanks, God will rescue me." Finally, when the waters are at the top of the roof, a helicopter comes and drops a ladder for the man to get on board. Again the man refuses to accept. "God will save me." After the man drowns he meets God and asks Him why He didn't come to rescue him. God, of course, responds, "I sent you a policeman, a boat and a helicopter."



God doesn't take away a person's responsibilities in this world. God will present resources and people in your life. It is up to you, to do something with them. If God had intended to take away all responsibility and free will, you wouldn't have lost a limb in the first place.

Some people lose a limb, and do things to better their situation. Others lose faith, and life becomes a downward spiral. If you never had faith, then the question asked in this thread is extremely silly.

[sib]

It's pretty simple really, when someone loses a limb it is lost and no one can find it, or it wouldn't be lost. duh! :1orglaugh:

[Borro]

True dat, just ask John Bobbit.

That reminds me of a joke.

Two old ladies were driving down the freeway when Laurana Bobbit tossed John's dick out of her window. It hit their windshield, and the old lady driving said, "Holy shit". The other old lady said, "I KNOW....did you see the pecker on that gnat?"

Err something like that.

[brownbearclan]

I think you two should actually read the original post in its entirety before beginning to flame it.

I say this mainly because of brownbearclan who seems to think the post is about stroking it with a scaly lizard hand.

Wow, that went right over your head didn't it lol? My response was in jest of your ridiculous topic. I was hoping to come up with something as equally ridiculous, but apparently you win. It's called sarcasm though, you might wanna switch your detector to the "ON" position before you post again to avoid looking the way you do right now:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s50/picturespaces/2000_jackass.jpg

[logandk]

I bet Heather Mills prayed to god

I can just imagen what she said god the father the Almighty
Please let me screw paul over and take all his money.

Maybe he does not heal all amputees but he heard her
prayers and they got answered.

Here she is on the phone to god you know its him as she hold a bottle of holy water.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a141/logandk/heather_mills_beach_brighton_uk.jpg


God bells you child

:1orglaugh:

[MontysDouble]

Wow, that went right over your head didn't it lol? My response was in jest of your ridiculous topic. I was hoping to come up with something as equally ridiculous, but apparently you win. It's called sarcasm though, you might wanna switch your detector to the "ON" position before you post again to avoid looking the way you do right now:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s50/picturespaces/2000_jackass.jpg
No way, I got a card with the same image for my birthday a while ago. :xyxthumbs:

[cheese muffin]

Wow, that went right over your head didn't it lol? My response was in jest of your ridiculous topic. I was hoping to come up with something as equally ridiculous, but apparently you win. It's called sarcasm though, you might wanna switch your detector to the "ON" position before you post again to avoid looking the way you do right now:
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s50/picturespaces/2000_jackass.jpg

pardon me for not being to read sarcasm.
maybe next time you can go to the trouble of sending me a voicemail so i can actually hear it.:rolleyes:

[Big Ozzie]

Yes, and I thank him everyday for it. 6 VOTES....40.00%
No, I'm still waiting for my lucky day. 3 VOTES....20.00%
Yea, but now I think it was just a coincidence 1 VOTE....6.67%
Go Fucking Die Cheese Muffin 5 VOTES....33.33%

I like how the "Yes, and I thank him everyday for it." and the "Go Fucking Die Cheese Muffin" have been neck and neck like a good Horse Race! LMAO!

[raize te gaff]

well i voted the cheesy wotsit one. Hes never done anything for me, if i went into a church id burn to death. What does the inside look like again?

[loadrunner]

In the beginning there was a poor man, who wanted a place to live. God gave him the desert. The he asked for some water. God gave him the ocean. The man asked" Why a place were I cant live, and water I can't drink?" God: "Don't drink the water, and don't live in the desert, bring the water to the desert, and use the salt, to live"

Something like this: If you as God for a hole, he wil give you a shovel. You have to do something yourselve. it ain't free all the time ;)

[HeyBuddy]

Dammit, I'm all out of rep for the day. I like that one LR.

[Raidenator]

I was the one who voted for coincidences.

I think a lot of people take coincidences as a sign from God. That's why I was iffy about religion as I grew up. Seemingly simple things that are attributed to God sometimes seems arbitrary to me. In a round about way, I suppose it would be God's will but it's like, "I couldn't find my shoe and then I prayed and finally found it after my prayer!" It just seems odd that God would help you to find a simple shoe?

[T-Lovin-Man]

4 out of 5 dentists recommend trident gum for people who chew gum.

Cheese and Rice.....Im fucking bored.

[MontysDouble]

Well, I must admit I was forced to choose the last option in the poll. All of the other responses imply that one actually prays for things.

I basically take things as they come, and make the best of the hand I'm dealt, so to speak. Praying seems just like wishful thinking to an agnostic like myself. As Loadrunner said: You have to do something for yourself.