Black Panther party run off by numerically superior White crowd

[tech-guy]

http://www.filecabi.net/video/QuanellXChasedAwayby.html

Black Panther party run off by numerically superior White crowd
This is ten minutes of raw video recorded at today’s rally in support of Joe Horn in Pasadena, Texas. The video starts with the arrival of Quanell X and a handful of his New Black Panther Party minions. What Quanell might not have known is that several hundred Joe Horn supporters, including about a hundred bikers, were waiting for their arrival. It quickly became, as expected, pretty intense. Everyone got incredibly noisy, there was some pushing and shoving, and I got the real sense that the crowd was going to lose control at times.In the video you’ll see Quanell and his group march up to Joe Horn’s house and attempt to speak to the media (which is the only reason they’re there) and get denied by the huge crowd and roaring Harleys. Quanell and friends then attempt to move to another street and speak to the media but the crowd follows and chants “USA! USA!” until he and his friends retreat - quickly. The pro-Joe crowd was raucous and intimidating but mostly in control. Watching Quanell almost break out in tears over his inability to get media time was just priceless.

[alorse]

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[redbeard]

bah crowds... 1 brain for dozen people...
couldn't wait for the 10 mins video...

[freestyler_3]

omg that was so boring lol i red the intire story above and it still doesnt makes sence that that crows is there..

[Mister Grimm]

The vid is taking too long. But FYI Joe Horn is the guy in Texas who was on the phone with 911 reporting a break-in at his neighbor's house and then went out and shot and killed both thieves. Last I heard, he is to appear before a grand jury to decide if there will be charges filed against him.

[steveaustin1971]

Joe Horn watched two men breaking into a house in his neighborhood, and called 911. While on the phone with 911 with the police still not arriving, the criminals left the house with a bag of things, he went out front and confronted them with a shotgun, they approached him and he shot both dead. He has not been charged, was never arrested, and those two criminals are not around to break into anymore houses. Mr Horn was considered to be the Grandfather to the whole nieghborhood, and they rallied around him and protected him from the Panthers painting him a rascist in front of his house. If you are thinking about robbing a house in Houston, I hope you meet your own Joe Horn, saves the taxpayers a crapload of money housing these idiots in jail between crimes.

[verscharren]

lol panthers are a relic of the 70's

[wyldsyde]

Like cockroaches scattering when you turn the lights on isn't it hehehehehehehehehe

[A877]

LMFAO!....Seriously Qua..Qua....well whatever your name is...."Did you really think you were going to be heard in that neighborhood?" God Bless the USA, and Joe Horn. We should all be so lucky to have neighbors willing to put their lives on the line on our behalf. All Q was going to say was its just another example of a couple of misunderstood, underprivileged, black people who were "stereotyped" as dangerous and were wrongly shot. Yeah...right! Guaranteed to be the safest neighborhood in the US for some time to come. I'd like to move there ASAP.:smilie_flagge13:

[HeyBuddy]

So a man shoots two burglars named Miguel Antonio Dejesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, and the Black Panthers decide to take up the cause.

Instead of holding a press conference at the courthouse or somewhere else, they decide to go to the neighborhood of the guy who is on trial and the people who were burglarized.

The neighbors, who seem to support Joe Horn come out and decide they want to speak their mind too.

Is anyone suprised?

[Bushga]

thats insane

[BleedingHeart23]

Thats America for you.

[FS88]

What can you possibly say to this but...

God that video makes me smile.
I can't get over the Black Panthers all dressed up in suits strutting down the street expecting to be heard.

Just like the Duke scandal, people get sick of it.
Those people are doing the right thing supporting Horn. These were not two innocent and misunderstood 'youths'.

It takes a certain kind of man.. a born fighter to walk into a majority ethnic situation.. and stay

http://www.anthonyflood.com/Rockwell_at_Nation_of_Islam_Rally.jpg

George Rockwell ... that was a man with guts! :xyxthumbs:
Wish someone cared like him now for OUR civil rights.

[FS88]

BTW - I love the bias spin the news in VA just put on about this.

'White Bikers class with Black Activist'

I mean come the hell on. When will people see the bloody double standards?
They edited out the woman...the kids, and just showed the blacks being confronted by howling Harleys.

The propper title was 'Black Thugs agitate peaceful Horn Rally'

[sdragongm]

In the end this is not a white or black thing. And any groups from either side that try to hijack this to further their own idiotic agenda should be shot as well. This is a fairly simple concept to understand. 2 men were in the process of commiting a felony and paid for it. Really doesn't matter what color they were at all. Some have argued using misdemeanors to try to prove their points, that Mr. Horn was wrong. Lets try using felonies and see if their logic holds up.

If you were witness to a kidnapping, it was obvious the police were not going to get their in time, and you were armed...would you do anything?

If you were passing by a bank, and witnessed criminals coming out of the bank after robbing it, would you do anything?

If you saw two people beating anoher man to death, and you were armed, would you do anything at all?

Some will say that he could have simply threatened the criminals with the shotgun until the proper authorities arrived, the problem with this theory is that in the end you do not wield a weapon unless you intend to use it, or you end up dead.

In texas one can use deadly force in most jurisdictions to protect life, limb, or property. He did not shoot two fleeing suspects, or two people who made a mistake. He shot two convicts while they were in the process of commiting a felony, as they approached him. This is what the case is about.

Not white and black or any other such nonsense.

[artgod33]

I love the fucking dimwits who try adn back them down by chanting U.S.A. llike its a fuckign tractor pull.

Only to be beat out by the douchebags revving their bikes... "here's alittle american muscle for ya black panther ass!"

Battle of our finest citzens there.

Hell YEAH!

[halo420]

i hate the dude in the background yelling "Be a man!" he reminds me of my friend

i would say dude im freezing my ass off turn the heat on "Be a man!"
i cant drink anymore "Be a man!"
im not sleeping with a chick over 283 pounds "Be a man!"
stop playing dude im gonna drown "Be a man!"
No Bro man what are you doing "Be a man!"

[halo420]

that also reminds me of when Halo 3 was released it was a RIOT!- Master Chief

[Buzzyorkyporky]

http://www.filecabi.net/video/neighbour-shotgun.html

Here was the 911 call posted on filecabi two weeks ago when Horn shot the burglars.

[halo420]

ok i think im the only one to finish watching all 10 minutes of it good thing i was eating sloppy joes with an American flag on it:smilie_flagge13:

i dont have anything intellectual to say about it but someone did say something that I think will fit perfect for this video if you guess who it was ill give you some points.

" I was once asked why I don't participate in anti-war demonstrations. I said that I will never do that, but as soon as you have a pro-peace rally, I'll be there"

[Canibusx420]

is racism common in texas?

[sdragongm]

Not particularly, lived here most my life. I have no problem with any of the races. What I have a problem with is criminals, and morons of any race that try to make a political statement about something that doesn't even relate.

[Waphlez]

While I believe Horn did a good thing by confronting the two thieves I feel he should have listened to the dispatcher.

As for the video, this is how I feel. The crowd had no right what they did. How can you chant USA when you are denying their 1st amendment right to free speech? As much as I disapprove of the Black Panther party,that is un-American, and I bet half those supporters are nothing but bigoted racists who are justifying the killing of two people just because they are black. If Horn killed a 15 year old black kid who was around I bet half of them would still support him.

[HeyBuddy]

^^^Actually, the crowd was excercising their freedom of speech. I also believe that the Black Panthers were the ones being racist here. Two burglars were shot, and they ASSUME Joe Horn to be a racist just because he's white.

If I support somebody who is going through a tough time, I will be vocal if they try to hold a rally against him in my neighborhood too. Take it to the steps of the courthouse or somewhere else.

[chito]

whats up with all the popunders when playing the vid?? I hate that crap:sport-smiley-005:

[VINCE NOIR MOD]

2 Mexicans get shot and killed,and the Black Panthers show up???What happened,did the Taco Bell Wetback Panthers get stopped at the border!!!God bless Texas and Joe Horn,give that man a medal for protecting his neighborhood from scumbags.And give the bikers a medal for taking care of the ignorant,unemployed crack heads who seem to think this is a rallying call against racism.It's funny how criminals show up to support there(now dead)fellow criminals.Retards!!!!

[mastershake407]

" Quanell and his group march up to Joe Horn’s house and attempt to speak to the media (which is the only reason they’re there)"

were you there with them? sounds like you sympathize with them. ****** lover

[sdragongm]

Actually there is a point about the freedom of speach, but here is what it boils down to. They had the right to speak and chose to retreat. One groups freedom does not negate anothers. Both groups were fully capable of making a statement. Course one group was loud enough that the other was not heard, no violations of constitutional rights happened. You have the gauranteed right to speak, no gaurantee that anyone will hear you.

[ShouldIbuyacat]

That would be a perfect time for me to rob some houses.

[doomyst]

I say both parties here are fucking idiots. What are the USA cheers for? What a bunch of retards...everyone featured in that video deserves to be shot.

[ShouldIbuyacat]

Man I wish I was there I would have a huge poster SHOULD I BUY A CAT

[mastershake407]

Thats America for you.

YA AND ITS FUCKING GREAT HUH??? :smilie_flagge13::smilie_flagge13::smilie_flagge13 ::smilie_flagge13::smilie_flagge13:

[HeyBuddy]

I say both parties here are fucking idiots. What are the USA cheers for? What a bunch of retards...everyone featured in that video deserves to be shot.

"U-S-A U-S-A", is much easier to chant, then "GO-HOME-BLACK-PANTHERS-THIS-IS-NOT-A-RACE-ISSUE-GO-HOME-BLACK-PANTHERS-THIS-IS-NOT-A-RACE-ISSUE".

[Wendal]

While I believe Horn did a good thing by confronting the two thieves I feel he should have listened to the dispatcher.

As for the video, this is how I feel. The crowd had no right what they did. How can you chant USA when you are denying their 1st amendment right to free speech? As much as I disapprove of the Black Panther party,that is un-American, and I bet half those supporters are nothing but bigoted racists who are justifying the killing of two people just because they are black. If Horn killed a 15 year old black kid who was around I bet half of them would still support him.


Maybe YOU are the racist for assuming the crowd is racist for supporting Horn, who shot those two low-lifes because they were black. No wait, they wern't even black, they were latino. Dumb ass.

[foreverspeed1984]

omg that was so boring lol i red the intire story above and it still doesnt makes sence that that crows is there..

If you cant even spell "read" then How are you going to understand of the "intire" story by watching it??:rolleyes: :1orglaugh:

[Your Majesty]

"USA! USA! USA!" LMFAO, SINCE WHEN DID IT BECOME USA VS. ANOTHER COUNTRY? These people are fucking morons. Please do not take this video as a representation of every American, we're not all retards.

[bigrob_bitches]

the way i understand it is that he went outside with the gun cuz they were robbing the house, but shot them because they came at him... which sounds ok to me... but then again, so does him shooting them for robbing the house, but legally it should be ok for him to shoot them for coming at him.

[lutzauto]

If I lived in Houston I would fucking hate white people too. And I'm white.

[GoKings57]

While I believe Horn did a good thing by confronting the two thieves I feel he should have listened to the dispatcher.

As for the video, this is how I feel. The crowd had no right what they did. How can you chant USA when you are denying their 1st amendment right to free speech? As much as I disapprove of the Black Panther party,that is un-American, and I bet half those supporters are nothing but bigoted racists who are justifying the killing of two people just because they are black. If Horn killed a 15 year old black kid who was around I bet half of them would still support him.

It appears someone needs to re-take their junior high civics class. For your edification, here is the full text of the First Amendment (with particular words bolded so you'll have a better understanding of what you're trying to argue about):

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Quannell X had every right under the Constitution to be an attention-whore for the cameras, in a situation that he realistically didn't need to (the burglars were Latino, not black, therefore why would the "New Black Panthers" need to be involved?).

Conversely, the supporters of Joe Horn had every right under the Constitution to not only be there, but to use their own freedom of speech to prevent Quannell X from spewing his BS. Neither one's freedom trumps the other, and what this video demonstrates is the First Amendment at it's finest - two opposing viewpoints exercising their freedom of speech, without derogatory comments, without violence and without politicians.

[Schizferatu]

I thought they were all chanting, "U-S-A" to conflict with Q.X.'s Nation of Islam. I dunno... Joe Horn probably shouldn't have shot but, I'm glad he did. The more people like Joe around the less this shit tends to happen.

[rodsteal]

If I lived in Houston I would fucking hate white people too. And I'm white.



How does that make sense?

I want to know where I can get a red tie and a mustard colored suit.

It is self defense if a robber was coming at him, but approaching them with a gun could be viewed as an aggressive act on Horns part. That is where he will run into a problem if he has to defend himself in court. I have heard there is a state law in Texas that says you can use deadly force to protect your property. Not really the case here since it was the neighbor.

I guess it all boils down to the fact that if they (the robbers) were at work or school and not sealing other peoples hard earned stuff, then they wouldn't be fucking dead right now, so instead of their parents going to a rally held in the same neighborhood where there kids got killed, maybe they should be home telling there other kids to learn from this example of how not to be.

[silenthill22]

bunch of idiots...these are full grown adults acting like this (both sides)

[Wendal]

If I lived in Houston I would fucking hate white people too. And I'm white.


You would hate your own race for rallying against black panthers who are the ones that are bringing race into this whole thing when it's merely about people (of all races) who are sick and tired of criminals crying discrimination and playing the victims when they are the ones commiting crimes?

You're either a bull dyke feminist or stupid degenerate wigger. Go live in Compton.

[dstone377]

It just goes to show you... White people can protest peacefully. If it had been a small group of white people going into a black neighborhood, they most likely would not have come out without some serious injuries, at least.

[madcat]

Ha. Guess these black panthers thought this was New York city, instead of Texas.

Bet Sean Taylor had wished that he had a neighbor like Joe Horn keeping watch.

I would have liked to have seen the look on these crooks faces the instant before Joe sent them to their rightful place in hell.

Not just Joe, but all Americans are sick and tired of the revolving door joke of a justice system pampering these crooks.

In this video, it is obvious that Joe's neighbors were standing up for him, just as he had stood up for them.

And we are rid of two low lifes who would be doing nothing but robbing and pillaging good Americans.

Thanks Joe. We need more folks like you! Come be my neighbor! Please!

[gitano71]

good for the bikers.
send the "real" racists away.

[gitano71]

You would hate your own race for rallying against black panthers who are the ones that are bringing race into this whole thing when it's merely about people (of all races) who are sick and tired of criminals crying discrimination and playing the victims when they are the ones commiting crimes?

You're either a bull dyke feminist or stupid degenerate wigger. Go live in Compton.

:xyxthumbs:

[Buzzyorkyporky]

A black person who is proud of their race,culture etc. and openly encourages blacks to do the same= Activist

A white person who is proud of their race,culture etc. and openly encourages whites to do the same= Racist

WTF!!!!

[mastershake407]

look closely at the title.........

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x292/mastershake407/orly.jpg

[fatchickencow]

I am discraced to have white blood in me sometimes, why cant the white people just let them talk to the media and leave, Im on the Black Panthers side for this argument.

[popzombie]

I am tired hearing the black man talk. That's how they sucker in the stupid white people.

[MIRAGEone]

why are they shouting U S A... are they retarded ?
as far as im aware.. the members of black panthers in the video are american too..

[HeyBuddy]

I am discraced to have white blood in me sometimes, why cant the white people just let them talk to the media and leave, Im on the Black Panthers side for this argument.

Then if you type in "Toledo Riots" into youtube, you'll just want to drain every ounce of blood out of your body.

[ceehound619]

A black person who is proud of their race,culture etc. and openly encourages blacks to do the same= Activist

A white person who is proud of their race,culture etc. and openly encourages whites to do the same= Racist

WTF!!!!
EXACTLY.... there is a double standard that exists today... mainly perpetuated by the media.... which is... if you are brown or black.... it is OKAY to be proud......but if you are WHITE.... then it is NOT.

[barbender29]

It's about time "WE" started standing up for what we believe are our rights. More of this type aggresion in every state of the United States "WILL" make a difference. I have been viewing this site for a while now and it is a great site, but it took till now for me to become a member and with more of this type of support, I will be visiting more frequent. Very nice thread!

[Sicky]

Ok, from the looks of it, it seems that the black panther group were kinda senseless to go in there and try and reason in the first place. Other than the fact that they were simply looking for trouble by going in front of that many people trying to defend their point, the fact that they were defending burglars breaking the law in the first place is almost beyond reason. I'd been following the mixed reactions of people on here following Joe Horn's first 911 call video, and to be fair, the argument is that 2 guys were stealing, and they were (impulsively) punished for their crime. I really don't see the point for this 'rally' if you even want to call it that, and I don't even see what it could achieve, given the lack of support they received, even if it was out of principle. The two men that were shot were prevented from other crimes. Once a criminal, always a criminal. However, Joe Horn stopped them. He did what he had to for the sake of his neighbors, and potentially his own safety in the future.

[DaShit]

Awsome video....only goes to show that most ghetto niggas think they can do anything and get away with it because of the "guilt factor". And unfortunately have black leaders as their puppets. It's about time whites stood up and said don't think so. Been a long time coming. I wonder how it feels for them surrounded by whites? If you've lived in a city, you'll know what I'm saying. Ghetto blacks target whites on a daily basis in between crack hits.

[Curmudgeon]

Maybe YOU are the racist for assuming the crowd is racist for supporting Horn, who shot those two low-lifes because they were black. No wait, they wern't even black, they were latino. Dumb ass.
Uhm, yes, they were black. What is it with you people believing that you can't be both black and Latino? Have any of you watched a Major League Baseball game any time in the last, oh, 15 or 20 years?

[HeyBuddy]

^^^Still doesn't mean that Joe Horn was a racist. People just assume that because he's white.

[AndrewHerley]

don't these people have jobs?

USA USA USA USA USA USA USA

[tgd_02]

yay group mentality!

no one ever wins!!

[curator]

i wonder if it was white ppl robbing the house, how would that have turned out...

[HeyBuddy]

i wonder if it was white ppl robbing the house, how would that have turned out...

Two dead white kids. No internet videos. News article in section D, page 12. Nobody would care.

[anmp5sits]

DAM, SO MUCH FOR POLICE PROTECTION. WRONG TYPE OF MARCH/PROTEST IN THE WRONG PART OF TOWN. THOSE GUYS ARE LUCKY THEY DIDN'T GET THE SHIT KICKED OUT OF THEM..

[Ronin56109]

Not sure why people keep saying that the two burglars were approaching Horn, considering they were both shot in the back. Listening to the tape, there was no way they came at him, turned around, and got shot that quickly. That being said, I still don't necessarily disprove of what Horn did. I just wish people would use a real argument and not the self-deluding "he was protecting himself" bs. I mean, Horn even told the dispatcher they were unarmed. Again though, just to make clear, I'm definitely not weeping over dead thieves.

Also, I watched Quanell on Hannity and Colmes, and he actually made some good points. The Black Panthers (though I question why they were even there in the first place) made it a point to state they in no way even tacitly agreed with the thieves, its just that they saw Horn as acting as "judge, jury, and executioner". I can see their point...we have police for a reason, and I'd prefer not to leave it up to random people to take matters into their own hands. This sort of "vigilante justice" just starts some slippery slope bs.

Additionally, just a few of the comments on this board alone go to show that many approve of Horn's actions solely on the basis of race (ie, the death of "ghetto trash"). That's pretty hypocritical, and definitely doesn't paint actually intelligent supporters of Horn in a good light.

[dedman1970]

Not sure why people keep saying that the two burglars were approaching Horn, considering they were both shot in the back. Listening to the tape, there was no way they came at him, turned around, and got shot that quickly. That being said, I still don't necessarily disprove of what Horn did. I just wish people would use a real argument and not the self-deluding "he was protecting himself" bs. I mean, Horn even told the dispatcher they were unarmed. Again though, just to make clear, I'm definitely not weeping over dead thieves.

Also, I watched Quanell on Hannity and Colmes, and he actually made some good points. The Black Panthers (though I question why they were even there in the first place) made it a point to state they in no way even tacitly agreed with the thieves, its just that they saw Horn as acting as "judge, jury, and executioner". I can see their point...we have police for a reason, and I'd prefer not to leave it up to random people to take matters into their own hands. This sort of "vigilante justice" just starts some slippery slope bs.

Additionally, just a few of the comments on this board alone go to show that many approve of Horn's actions solely on the basis of race (ie, the death of "ghetto trash"). That's pretty hypocritical, and definitely doesn't paint actually intelligent supporters of Horn in a good light.
Well said....btw great 1rst post:xyxthumbs:

[Oni-Neko]

look closely at the title.........

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x292/mastershake407/orly.jpg

Thanks for taking a snapshot of that and posting it before filecabi decided to change the headline. I saved this one!

[Oni-Neko]

It's amazing how often people cannot see both sides of an argument, and the idiots cling so haphazardly to their fallacious arguments. I love threads like these because it really brings out the intellect we have to offer, exposes the morons that are too foolish to stay out of it, and every thinking person can easily filter out the mindless bullshit that people have to say.

As far as an argument one way or another, I have little to say that hasn't already been said.

I have to love what's happened here. Seeings things like this give me hope that this young nation is actually balancing itself out. Although the "U S A" seems a bit much at first, if spoken by the right person becomes a symbol of everything this country was MEANT to stand for. However, I can see how it might mean quite the opposite when said by a dullard.

[Curmudgeon]

Not sure why people keep saying that the two burglars were approaching Horn, considering they were both shot in the back. Listening to the tape, there was no way they came at him, turned around, and got shot that quickly. That being said, I still don't necessarily disprove of what Horn did. I just wish people would use a real argument and not the self-deluding "he was protecting himself" bs. I mean, Horn even told the dispatcher they were unarmed. Again though, just to make clear, I'm definitely not weeping over dead thieves.

Also, I watched Quanell on Hannity and Colmes, and he actually made some good points. The Black Panthers (though I question why they were even there in the first place) made it a point to state they in no way even tacitly agreed with the thieves, its just that they saw Horn as acting as "judge, jury, and executioner". I can see their point...we have police for a reason, and I'd prefer not to leave it up to random people to take matters into their own hands. This sort of "vigilante justice" just starts some slippery slope bs.

Additionally, just a few of the comments on this board alone go to show that many approve of Horn's actions solely on the basis of race (ie, the death of "ghetto trash"). That's pretty hypocritical, and definitely doesn't paint actually intelligent supporters of Horn in a good light.
You won't last long here, buddy. Voices of reason rarely do without Hurculean perseverance.

[JooX]

Trespassers will be shot... survivors will be shot again.

Damn those few of you who actually had something intellectual to say... it's shocked me so much Ive lost my own reply.

But I do think Gandhi would be proud, a rally without violence :)... even if Gandhi was a scamming little arse burglar.

[redbeard]

is racism common in texas?

LOL!

athough... is it racism or simple binary intelectual formatting?
I mean, you 're black, or white, you're good or evil, you're wrong or right...

In my world there are some shades of grey, there is something in between those things...

[Josh85]

i hate the dude in the background yelling "Be a man!" he reminds me of my friend

i would say dude im freezing my ass off turn the heat on "Be a man!"
i cant drink anymore "Be a man!"
im not sleeping with a chick over 283 pounds "Be a man!"
stop playing dude im gonna drown "Be a man!"
No Bro man what are you doing "Be a man!"

"I'm not sleeping with a chick over 283 pounds, "Be a man!"

LMFAO.. shit I know just how you feel. Some of my mates are like that. "But she's fucking ugly man, no... no fuck no man that's wrong"

My mate: "Be a man.. a fuck is a fuck.. it's all the same.. you're drunk, it's all good. Be a man"

:(

[Josh85]

LOL, if that had have been Australia all the white people would have been heavily drinking before the black panther people arrived, then when they did arrive they'd start yelling "Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie!? Oye! Oye! Oye!" then violently attack the black panthers via beatings, whilst chasing them through the streets, clashing with police, and throwing half full beer bottles around. Chants of "Fuck off [insert racist label]" would have flowed through tha air and someone would have written "Aussie Pride" on the road somehow.

:D

It doesn't matter what the chant is by the way.. as long as it's simple and makes everyone who is chanting it feel like they are a part of the crowd. :/

USA USA USA is merely a very simple chant and doesn't require much thought. PERFECT!

What that scenario lacked was the people who stand at the back of the crowd's and start throwing things, therefore making a riot.

[Teebo]

What? I thought they only wrestle crocodile's in Australia.

Anyways, this makes me think of Forest Gump.

"I'm sorry I ruined your black panther party"

:smilie_flagge13:

[wyldsyde]

If you cant even spell "read" then How are you going to understand of the "intire" story by watching it??:rolleyes: :1orglaugh:
Thank you for stating that fact if only filecabi had SPEEL CHEEK these people would not look like such idiots. hehe

[wyldsyde]

LOL, if that had have been Australia all the white people would have been heavily drinking before the black panther people arrived, then when they did arrive they'd start yelling "Ozzie Ozzie Ozzie!? Oye! Oye! Oye!" then violently attack the black panthers via beatings, whilst chasing them through the streets, clashing with police, and throwing half full beer bottles around. Chants of "Fuck off [insert racist label]" would have flowed through tha air and someone would have written "Aussie Pride" on the road somehow.

:D

It doesn't matter what the chant is by the way.. as long as it's simple and makes everyone who is chanting it feel like they are a part of the crowd. :/

USA USA USA is merely a very simple chant and doesn't require much thought. PERFECT!

What that scenario lacked was the people who stand at the back of the crowd's and start throwing things, therefore making a riot.
That is exactly why I love you Aussies, you do not take any crap in your homeland. I remember a few years back when you had what I believe was a terror attack and your people attacked the supporters of the attack and beat them down, now that is Patriotism.

[e4bannan]

What? I thought they only wrestle crocodile's in Australia.

Anyways, this makes me think of Forest Gump.

"I'm sorry I ruined your black panther party"

:smilie_flagge13:



AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! So true. I was there, and their Black Panther Party was totally ruined. They had planned on marching down the street with a casket to Joe Horn's house,but we shut them the hell down. They left so pissed off that some of them actually threw fried chicken bones out of their cars as they left.

[ICE420]

2 min´s and 10 seconds of that crap was all I could stand.

[HeyBuddy]

In July 1992, (Quanell X) publicly incited violence with his televised, and highly publicized, exhortation to Houston-area blacks that "If you feel that you just got to mug somebody because of your hurt and your pain, go to River Oaks and mug you some good white folks. If you’re angry that our brother is put to death, don’t burn down your own community, give these white folks hell from the womb to the tomb."

Two points about this quote.

1) Calling for violence against white people by Quanell.....RACIST!
2) I definitely would not want him to make that statement in front of a house in my neighborhood.

As for the law:
§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON’S PROPERTY.

A person is justified in using force or deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if, under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:

(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property.

Article 14.01(a) of the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure permits private citizens to make arrests only if the offense is classed as a felony or as an offense against the public peace. Criminal trespass is classed as either a class A or a class B misdemeanor, see Penal Code § 30.05(d), and thus is not classed as a felony.



I think that states pretty clearly that you can make a citizens arrest, and/or use force or deadly force in stopping a felony burglary, if you are the witness.

I did read one post that states that the burglars were shot in the back. I have not found a single article, that would suggest that. I would think that if we had that information it would be published. It would make this a much more contreversial story, and that's what sells news papers. Maybe he did shoot them in the back, and the police haven't released that information. I don't know. I just don't have any sources to back that up.

[Oni-Neko]

You won't last long here, buddy. Voices of reason rarely do without Hurculean perseverance.

You don't need Herculean patience on an internet forum. Most people that offer criticism to the truly intellectual are not worth listening to in the first place. I feel Ronin will do just fine around here.

If you cant even spell "read" then How are you going to understand of the "intire" story by watching it??:rolleyes: :1orglaugh:

My favorite thing to see is when someone that's criticizing someone else's spelling cannot be bothered to punctuate or Capitalize their sentences properly.

[footballbat]

My favorite thing to see is, when someone that's criticizing someone else's spelling, cannot be bothered to punctuate, or capitalize, their sentences properly.

Yeah, me too. :rolleyes:

[j7wild]

Two points about this quote.

1) Calling for violence against white people by Quanell.....RACIST!
2) I definitely would not want him to make that statement in front of a house in my neighborhood.



Quanell was also charged a couple of years ago when he helped a Suspect (who was wanted for shooting a Houston Police Officer) and ran from Police in his personal car on a high speed chase; he later claimed the reason he didn't pull over is because he was on the phone with the High Brass of the HPD and working out a deal for the suspect and he thought the 100 Police Cars behind him with lights and siren on were his escort

Quanell has also been a suspect in raping an underage girl and at one time, he was a well known drug dealer in South Houston selling Crack Cocaine and Marijuana for which he served Prison time and received probation.

So this moron who talks about the Law is not a Law Abiding Citizen Himself!!

:angry-smiley-056: Quanell!! :angry-smiley-056:

[boo_cocky]

omg that was so boring lol i red the intire story above and it still doesnt makes sence that that crows is there..

Ummmm...it is you who makes no sense.

Try 'hooked on phonix'...not the ebonics version!

Perhaps you find it boring for a racist to fail...I found it rather humorous, in a pathetic sort of way. Oh, he got his airtime...lmao...but, it wasn't in the manner he had hoped for.

Now...very slowly...step AWAY from the keyboard...if you comply, I will put my red correction pen away...s l o w l y...that's it...keep going....good!

[fuzzyballz]

black panthers are so dumb!!!! they seem to hate racism but they promote it at the same time.

[HeyBuddy]

There was a contest to come up with a new slogan for the Black Panthers recently. This was the winning slogan:

We hate racists, but only the white ones!

[Waphlez]

It appears someone needs to re-take their junior high civics class. For your edification, here is the full text of the First Amendment (with particular words bolded so you'll have a better understanding of what you're trying to argue about):

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

Quannell X had every right under the Constitution to be an attention-whore for the cameras, in a situation that he realistically didn't need to (the burglars were Latino, not black, therefore why would the "New Black Panthers" need to be involved?).

Conversely, the supporters of Joe Horn had every right under the Constitution to not only be there, but to use their own freedom of speech to prevent Quannell X from spewing his BS. Neither one's freedom trumps the other, and what this video demonstrates is the First Amendment at it's finest - two opposing viewpoints exercising their freedom of speech, without derogatory comments, without violence and without politicians.

"and what this video demonstrates is the First Amendment at it's finest". More like the abuse of the First Amendment IMO, in which both parties are guilty of. Utter chaos is what that was, a group was trying to speak out their opinion (even if it's filled with BS) and another group, who are borderline mob, basically making it impossible to do so. Even if they shouldn't even had made an appearance they had every right to do so. I never said it was against the law, but in my opinion it is un-American. Let them speak what they want to say, because they have the right to say it. It's not a matter of laws, but a matter of manners and morals, which can't be enforced by the law. Wither it was legal or not, they were suppressing their opinions and their voice. That is why I feel it's not American. Everyone has the right to disagree, so just disagree with what they have to say.

They deliberately went there to prevent them from making a statement; how can you do that and chant USA? They're using patriotism to justify it, and I feel it's wrong. Just like many people used patriotism to justify persecuting anybody that had any remotely communist ideas or statements (remember McCarthy). I don't agree with communism, but they had the right to say what they want to, and that was violated.

Both groups here are a bunch of idiots who give Americans and the American constitution a bad name. As much as I am proud to be an American and have the constitution, it saddens me that it also protects groups like these. But there can't be a middle ground, you can't limit rights to certain groups of people, so we all have to live with it.

Also I never said it was racist to protect Horn, I was making a comment on how, whenever a white man gets accused of being racist for what they did, a lot of racists come to defend him.

[twicon]

my last hope is on 2012

[footballbat]

They deliberately went there to prevent them from making a statement; how can you do that and chant USA? They're using patriotism to justify it, and I feel it's wrong. Just like many people used patriotism to justify persecuting anybody that had any remotely communist ideas or statements (remember McCarthy). I don't agree with communism, but they had the right to say what they want to, and that was violated.

I believe the people were there to begin with, because most of them live in that neighborhood, or are friends of people who do. If Quanell and the NBP want to address the issue of Joe Horn, they can call a press conference on the courthouse steps. Instead he tried to stir up shit, by going to Joe's neighborhood. Quanell got more than what he was looking for, and just what he deserved.

Also, until Quanell is brought up on charges before Congress, the charge of McCarthyism is ridiculous.

Also I never said it was racist to protect Horn, I was making a comment on how, whenever a white man gets accused of being racist for what they did, a lot of racists come to defend him.

Just because the people there didn't want to hear what the man in the pimp suit had to say, it doesn't make them racist.

[lunatik]

can't we all just get along?

[lunatik]

Oh yah, I would have shot the thieves too. If your a thief, you know that there is always the risk of someone catching you and getting the shit beat out of you or worse. They knew the risk. What if there was an 80 year old grandma in there when they did that, do you think they would have make her tea or something. They invaded someone's home, their private sanctuary.

[GoKings57]

"and what this video demonstrates is the First Amendment at it's finest". More like the abuse of the First Amendment IMO, in which both parties are guilty of. Utter chaos is what that was, a group was trying to speak out their opinion (even if it's filled with BS) and another group, who are borderline mob, basically making it impossible to do so. Even if they shouldn't even had made an appearance they had every right to do so. I never said it was against the law, but in my opinion it is un-American. Let them speak what they want to say, because they have the right to say it. It's not a matter of laws, but a matter of manners and morals, which can't be enforced by the law. Wither it was legal or not, they were suppressing their opinions and their voice. That is why I feel it's not American. Everyone has the right to disagree, so just disagree with what they have to say.

They deliberately went there to prevent them from making a statement; how can you do that and chant USA? They're using patriotism to justify it, and I feel it's wrong. Just like many people used patriotism to justify persecuting anybody that had any remotely communist ideas or statements (remember McCarthy). I don't agree with communism, but they had the right to say what they want to, and that was violated.

Both groups here are a bunch of idiots who give Americans and the American constitution a bad name. As much as I am proud to be an American and have the constitution, it saddens me that it also protects groups like these. But there can't be a middle ground, you can't limit rights to certain groups of people, so we all have to live with it.

Also I never said it was racist to protect Horn, I was making a comment on how, whenever a white man gets accused of being racist for what they did, a lot of racists come to defend him.

You totally miss point of my post - nobody's First Amendment rights were violated, because Congress neither suppressed their speech via a law, nor forbade them from peaceably assembling. There's no law anywhere that says that Quannell X's right to free speech is more important than the rights of Joe Horn's supporters, just as there's no law that prevents Group A from shouting down Group B. It may be rude to some, it may be idiotic to others, but it's exactly what the First Amendment was written to protect.

My question to you is why is it OK for Quannell X to go into a neighborhood in which he has no vested interest and attempt to start trouble and vilify a man who has not only not been convicted, but hasn't even been charged with a crime, yet it's not OK for the supporters of Joe Horn to shout down a man who has a history of spreading hate and discontent between the races (accepting as factual the information other posters have submitted about Quannell's previous actions/statements). Would you not want to shout down those who preach hatred towards homosexuals (Fred Phelps anyone?)? How about Nazis? How about if someone advocated exterminating whichever ethnic minority you may belong to?

Where in the "Being An American" handbook does it say we have to sit idly by while race-hustlers and whack-jobs spew their BS? You seem to think that we as a nation must twiddle our thumbs while these morons propagate more hatred and intolerance, and to that I say you are sadly mistaken. It is not only our right, but our duty, to ensure that these people are met with this type of reception wherever they may go, in order to show people that society has boundaries which they cross at their peril (so to speak).

Regarding the chant of "USA, USA", I'd hazard a guess and say it was chosen not for it's "patriotic" connotations, but more because it's easier to say than "Get the F*** Out You Worthless Shit-stirrer".

[Oni-Neko]

Yeah, me too. :rolleyes:

I have 2 clues for you.

1.) The "Capitalization" as I put it was meant to drive a point home. It was one of those 'intentional mistakes'.
2.) My post was punctuated correctly, thank you. Nice try, though. :xyxthumbs:

[broggi]

So a man shoots two burglars named Miguel Antonio Dejesus, 38, and Diego Ortiz, 30, and the Black Panthers decide to take up the cause.

Instead of holding a press conference at the courthouse or somewhere else, they decide to go to the neighborhood of the guy who is on trial and the people who were burglarized.

The neighbors, who seem to support Joe Horn come out and decide they want to speak their mind too.

Is anyone suprised?

I wonder what would have happened if it had been the other way around. A black guy shoots two robbers and a small group of white people rally that it was racially-motivated.

I wonder what a black community would do to the small group of white people defending what they believed.

I wonder...

[mastershake407]

I wonder what would have happened if it had been the other way around. A black guy shoots two robbers and a small group of white people rally that it was racially-motivated.

I wonder what a black community would do to the small group of white people defending what they believed.

I wonder...

I KNOW I KNOW!!!!!!

they would put on their best clothes (gotta make a good impression) they would come out and flip out some folding chairs for everyone and sit down and have a nice conversation with the folks on why they agree or disagree with their cause and motives. while the children would offer and serve drinks and small sandwiches from the beautiful neighborhoods abundant food supply. then at the end of the day gather around a fire and sing cum bi ya while toasting marshmellows.:omg:

[bdghnk]

america is just a bunch of murderes, sick country, america for the indians!

[Irish Jesus]

So Quannell just wanted to talk to Joe, right?

[Maelstromcc]

i wouldnt say i hate my race like lutzauto does ( and im black) but im certainly embarassed. what i do hate is the degenerate pond scum of every race who A) are stealing stuff instead of working hard, B) shooting and stereotyping every nig running around b/c one stole thier GF in high school.

and for the freedom of speech? go learn your self the Patriot Act Americans.... its contradicting your ammendments " in the Jihad against Terror".

oh and go youtube The North American Union while your at it. your country is sundering its self while your fighting iraq/immigration/shooting porch monkeys

[Maelstromcc]

I KNOW I KNOW!!!!!!

they would put on their best clothes (gotta make a good impression) they would come out and flip out some folding chairs for everyone and sit down and have a nice conversation with the folks on why they agree or disagree with their cause and motives. while the children would offer and serve drinks and small sandwiches from the beautiful neighborhoods abundant food supply. then at the end of the day gather around a fire and sing cum bi ya while toasting marshmellows.:omg:

hahaha if a nugglet shot and killed 2 lil caspers stealing shit the cops who arrived at the scene would have opened fire on his ass haha

[haterade]

So the black panthers support people breaking into houses if their black?
i think that's all that needs to be said about these assholes.

[sdragongm]

People keep going back to race as an issue here. And there is absolutely no evidence to support that it was. Now the whole demonstration bit is admitedly silly, but so is another group coming in to make a political statement that has little to do with the underlying facts. As was posted previously, the law in Texas does allow (summarizing) for the use of deadly force to protect life, limb, or property. And that is what happened. As for the question of whether he shot them in the back...this is a moot point. The law does not require the person to be standing facing you. Aside from this it has been released that one or both of the criminals did in fact step foot onto Horn's property, so the shooting is justifiable from many different aspects of the law.

People can argue race but without having the same scenario happen with a different race criminal, you cannot say with any certainty that this was a racials motivated incident.

As for those arguing about an african american group showing up to make a statement involving two dead hispanics. This is incorrect due to the fact that many hispanics are also black, as was the case here. If you doubt this, or just want to go by name, try not to see the pictures of the criminals on your TV set.

The crowd chanted USA repeatedly. This is a common occurance since the 9/11 incident, and is pretty much expected when large groups want to make a lot of noise. Their goal was to drown out the other group and chanting USA did the job wonderfully, without being offensive. Nobodies rights were stepped on because you do have the right to speak, you do NOT have the right to be heard. Funny how that works.

There is a lot of off topic debate about the whole Joe Horn bit, and it all detracts from what actually happened. Two criminals broke into a house and looted it, they were then shot for such actions, which is in accordance with current Texas law. If you don't like it, try to get it changed...or better yet don't rob someone elses house if ya aren't able to dodge a shotgun blast.

[spudsdeep68]

What a shit country.

[JACKASS2010]

If you cant even spell "read" then How are you going to understand of the "intire" story by watching it??:rolleyes: :1orglaugh:

PWNED:xyxthumbs:

[JACKASS2010]

There is a lot of off topic debate about the whole Joe Horn bit, and it all detracts from what actually happened. Two criminals broke into a house and looted it, they were then shot for such actions, which is in accordance with current Texas law. If you don't like it, try to get it changed...or better yet don't rob someone elses house if ya aren't able to dodge a shotgun blast.

AGREED!!:smilie_flagge13: :smilie_flagge3:

[Da Rat]

God bless AmeriKKKa the land of hatred.

[haterade]

agreed the whole joe horn incident isn't about race, but never underestimate other assholes ability to turn it into a race topic for their own gain.

[jacksquatdiddly]

They all support shooting unarmed men. It was a set up. There was no burglary but a set up.

[HeyBuddy]

Panther = Pussy

Black Panther = Black Pussy

nuff said

[ceehound619]

They all support shooting unarmed men. It was a set up. There was no burglary but a set up.
Being in a house that doesnt belong to you without invitation or reason = BURGLARY..... why were they in the house??? stop with the friggin excuses already.... unarmed doesnt matter.. they were breaking the law... and people have a RIGHT to defend life/property and/or make a citizens arrest if witnessing a crime.

[HeyBuddy]

Being in a house that doesnt belong to you without invitation or reason = BURGLARY..... why were they in the house??? stop with the friggin excuses already.... unarmed doesnt matter.. they were breaking the law... and people have a RIGHT to defend life/property and/or make a citizens arrest if witnessing a crime.

Unarmed? What about the crowbar? They had a crowbar. Shoot em' dead.

[lithus]

racism goes both ways. You're either a stupid redneck or some ignorant race hating black panther. Personally I hate both. Fucking hypocrite seperatists.

[paulbrown49]

i would of thaught with all the race tension in the south of the us large crowds of any colour would be more thaughtfull!

[silenthill22]

God bless AmeriKKKa the land of hatred.

yeah cuz the rest of the world is full of love and understanding...right? :rolleyes:

please break your keyboard

[hillarium]

hahaha if a nugglet shot and killed 2 lil caspers stealing shit the cops who arrived at the scene would have opened fire on his ass haha

Nugglets and caspers eh? :1orglaugh: Sounds like Disney's teaming up with McDonalds.:omg:

[LiquidNinja]

Why do people keep saying the burglars were black? They were fucking mexican, and probably didn't belong in the US in the first place. As for the white crowd, what a bunch of backward-ass, ignorant redneck hicks. Chanting 'USA' while denying another group of american citizens their rights to both free speech and assembly? Good one, Tex-ass.

[SolarBear]

Why do people keep saying the burglars were black? They were fucking mexican, and probably didn't belong in the US in the first place. As for the white crowd, what a bunch of backward-ass, ignorant redneck hicks. Chanting 'USA' while denying another group of american citizens their rights to both free speech and assembly? Good one, Tex-ass.

No. Nobody was denied any of their rights. The Black Panthers have the right to speak and assemble, free from interference from the government. They don't have the right to ask all of the other citizens in the area to sit and listen respectfully to what they have to say.

They have the right to speak, and everybody else has the right to speak louder, even so loudly that you can't hear what the Black Panthers are saying, which is what happened here.

But I still don't understand what "USA, USA, USA" has to do with anything, unless the burglars were illegal immigrants or something. If this had been a protest against the "Nation" Of Islam, it might have made a little more sense.

[sdragongm]

Why do people keep saying the burglars were black? They were fucking mexican, and probably didn't belong in the US in the first place. As for the white crowd, what a bunch of backward-ass, ignorant redneck hicks. Chanting 'USA' while denying another group of american citizens their rights to both free speech and assembly? Good one, Tex-ass.

First off, the burglars were in fact black. Yeah they had hispanic last names, but it is very eay to look up their pictures (from prior mugshots) and see that they were black hispanics. This isn't a hard concept to grasp, but it seems you find it easier to make idiotic statements without knowing what you are talking about.

Second, the group chanting USA, were chanting to drown out another groups speach, which is perfectly legal and does not violate anyones constitutional rights. The black panthers were not stopped from speaking, and were not forcibly removed, they had the right to speak and assemble, neither right violated. As I've said before, just because you have the right to speak does not mean you have the right to be heard. If someone shouts louder than you, you are not a victim, you just don't have a loud enough voice.

[Curmudgeon]

Why do people keep saying the burglars were black? They were fucking mexican, and probably didn't belong in the US in the first place. As for the white crowd, what a bunch of backward-ass, ignorant redneck hicks. Chanting 'USA' while denying another group of american citizens their rights to both free speech and assembly? Good one, Tex-ass.
Because they WERE black, and no, they were NOT Mexican. Jesus fuck, how hard is it to ascertain simple, basic facts about a current, ongoing, internationally known news event in the 21st century information age?

[Raidenator]

Because they WERE black, and no, they were NOT Mexican. Jesus fuck, how hard is it to ascertain simple, basic facts about a current, ongoing, internationally known news event in the 21st century information age?

Were they? I thought at least one was reported as a Columbian illegal immigrant. He could still be black, but that would suggest otherwise.

[Curmudgeon]

Were they? I thought at least one was reported as a Columbian illegal immigrant. He could still be black, but that would suggest otherwise.
There are black people in South America for the same reason there are black people in North America. I'm not sure why this comes as such a surprise to so many people. Slavery was not an exclusively English/American institution. Spain and Portugal brought it to the New World as well. So did France (see: Haiti).

[S14DGENER8]

lol why were they screaming usa? those people are american too.. lol idiots

[Ckroush]

lol why were they screaming usa? those people are american too.. lol idiots

Because they understand how shitty the American legal system is and they see the Joe Horn incident as an example of hope.

[sigvicious]

"I'm not sleeping with a chick over 283 pounds, "Be a man!"

LMFAO.. shit I know just how you feel. Some of my mates are like that. "But she's fucking ugly man, no... no fuck no man that's wrong"

My mate: "Be a man.. a fuck is a fuck.. it's all the same.. you're drunk, it's all good. Be a man"

:(

Fat chicks are like mopeds, they're a lot of fun until your friends catch you riding one.

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