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April 17th, 2008, 10:01 AM
War is Hell,Graphic and intense Compilation (http://www.filecabi.net/video/war-is-hell.html)

ICE420
April 17th, 2008, 11:09 AM
Suck´s to be them.

Fraya
April 17th, 2008, 11:09 AM
This is sick
"He's wounded"
"Kill him"
"I might aswell take out the truck"
"Kill him"
:s

ICE420
April 17th, 2008, 11:12 AM
This is sick
"He's wounded"
"Kill him"
"I might aswell take out the truck"
"Kill him"
:s

Maybe he was being humane ???

DriZ
April 17th, 2008, 11:14 AM
Intense footage indeed.
The guy in the first group that got shot down was brave enough to try to fight back.

Oh and the part at 32sec left where the truck gets hit, you can see one of them being launched of the screen at the top right, pretty sick.

chinni
April 17th, 2008, 11:24 AM
Dang I wanna use an Apache!

steph-style
April 17th, 2008, 11:49 AM
War is useless...

antifreeze
April 17th, 2008, 12:19 PM
The second one looked like they were playing football.

kaizer
April 17th, 2008, 01:06 PM
01:24 is coollllll....... like moviessssssss

paulbrown49
April 17th, 2008, 01:34 PM
the smart bombs where cool but the gun shots have been seen before

ScubaDivingJr
April 17th, 2008, 01:34 PM
All who think that is entertainment are stupid and ignorant. Remember this is an illegal war, time and history will tell.

Howdja
April 17th, 2008, 01:47 PM
That sucked. Where was the Dolby sound and technicolour. Really, you'd think the military was on the cutting edge of technological advances, but nooo, little white dots falling down. Yawn

Epyon_761
April 17th, 2008, 02:02 PM
This is sick
"He's wounded"
"Kill him"
"I might aswell take out the truck"
"Kill him"
:s

Call it being humane than just letting him bleed out, and there could be weapons in the truck so can't let the truck get away.

All who think that is entertainment are stupid and ignorant. Remember this is an illegal war, time and history will tell.

Really because those videos were very good quality not the best but good, and I didn't see them wearing uniforms, so that makes them fighting illegally according to the rules of war

antifreeze
April 17th, 2008, 02:48 PM
They should show this on Iraqi TV every night. The insurgents might think twice. What do they have to live for? 130 degree heat and ugly ass women.

Tilly
April 17th, 2008, 02:50 PM
That was fucking awesome!

antifreeze
April 17th, 2008, 03:49 PM
All who think that is entertainment are stupid and ignorant. Remember this is an illegal war, time and history will tell.

ScubaDivingJr.......I think you have been diving with out oxygen in your tanks.

Tilly
April 17th, 2008, 03:52 PM
All who think that is entertainment are stupid and ignorant. Remember this is an illegal war, time and history will tell.

Stupid AND ignorant? Well, my aunt/sister/girlfriend might disagree with that. :rolleyes:

VagrantToad
April 17th, 2008, 04:14 PM
All who think that is entertainment are stupid and ignorant. Remember this is an illegal war, time and history will tell.

History will view this war as a minor skirmish.

silenthill22
April 17th, 2008, 04:14 PM
:smokin:

I wonder how it's like to die by those bombs. It must be like flipping off a light switch. one second you're alive and the next you aren't...weird

Our military cheats to win. If the Army ever hosted an online FPS gathering they'd probaby use glow skins and aimbots to win. haha :smilie_flagge13:

Waphlez
April 17th, 2008, 04:18 PM
I wish those kids who they recruit can see this, there is nothing glorifying dieing like that. Props to the airmen.



I wonder how it's like to die by those bombs. It must be like flipping off a light switch. one second you're alive and the next you aren't...weird

Our military cheats to win. If the Army ever hosted an online FPS gathering they'd probaby use glow skins and aimbots to win. haha

Would you rather have infantry units put themselves in danger to kill them? Airstrikes places the upmost firepower where you want it without much risk to friendlies.

halo420
April 17th, 2008, 05:00 PM
that was a freakin meteor at 1:25 that killed them

did anyone else get a boner at 1:20? reminds me of Halo....
does anyone still play Halo?

Firep0w3r
April 17th, 2008, 05:38 PM
All who think that is entertainment are stupid and ignorant. Remember this is an illegal war, time and history will tell.


That is a little bold observation for a new guy...

I must agree however, your 2nd quote "this is an illegal intervention" (war is again too bold of a statement), I agree with entirely.

No, it is not entertaining to see humans, of any nationality, being decimated, but facts are, the assaults continue on both sides.....fortunately, the ones presented in this clip are destruction of the enemy, as seen by our justifications. So....Yes, Go Us! Yea Us! (and our team) ...Thank OUR soldiers for beating the other non-entertaining senerios that could be from the "other" misinformed fighters, killing OUR troops.

So enjoy the little things in life.......the deaths of suicide bombers and mine planters.

Tilly
April 17th, 2008, 05:51 PM
That is a little bold observation for a new guy...

I must agree however, your 2nd quote "this is an illegal intervention" (war is again too bold of a statement), I agree with entirely.

No, it is not entertaining to see humans, of any nationality, being decimated, but facts are, the assaults continue on both sides.....fortunately, the ones presented in this clip are destruction of the enemy, as seen by our justifications. So....Yes, Go Us! Yea Us! (and our team) ...Thank OUR soldiers for beating the other non-entertaining senerios that could be from the "other" misinformed fighters, killing OUR troops.

So enjoy the little things in life.......the deaths of suicide bombers and mine planters.

Fuck that, I found that entertaining. Why should I suppress the feeling of being entertained from watching insurgents getting blown to shit?

jammin91
April 17th, 2008, 06:05 PM
War is useless...

Iit stimulates the economy. And with out war (or the threat of it) there would be no reason for armed forces and almost half the people in most countries would be out of a job.

evilhotepp
April 17th, 2008, 06:23 PM
reminds me of that mission in the Call Of Duty 4 game. I also noticed that they blurred out the GPS coordinates that is displayed on the HUD of pilot cam, I always found it intersting to google earth those map coordinates and find out where the footage was taken.

Snuff.
April 17th, 2008, 06:47 PM
Really because those videos were very good quality not the best but good, and I didn't see them wearing uniforms, so that makes them fighting illegally according to the rules of war

:rolleyes:

You don't need to be a combatant to hold an AK. Don't be so naive.

Well, my aunt/sister/girlfriend might disagree with that. :rolleyes:

She's your aunt, your sister and your girlfriend?

Don't have babies. :eek7:

costello2k
April 17th, 2008, 09:10 PM
WOW think im going to go play call of duty 4 now

brownbearclan
April 17th, 2008, 09:27 PM
What I think is craziest part about this war is all the money that's being spent. What we spend on this war every 3 months can cover the entire social security budget for a year. :omg: Instead it's spent on killing people when it could be spent to help save lives and improve the quality of life of people.

It's complicated, and what can "we the people do?" Bitch about it on internet forums and hope that our vote for the next moron from either column A or B will be better.

fubar001
April 17th, 2008, 09:35 PM
The Rules of War


The little I do know about war came from school playgrounds and backyard battles with neighborhood kids. I went to 13 schools in 12 years in 2 countries. The kids in different places talked different but always fought the same way.

Here are seven of the rules I remember from those early battles that might be useful to those who are playing the game for keeps about now:

1. Choose up sides. If anyone seems non-committal, they are the enemy. Shoot them the first chance you get.

2. When the game starts, shoot first or plan to be shot.

3. Never give the enemy time to run. If they know you're looking for them, they hide where you'll never find them.

4. If anyone on the other side is stupid enough to mock you, go after him first and make an example for others who might question your commitment. We took one such moron hostage and tortured him with sharp sticks for an hour and made the other side listen across the dirt mound over which we were fighting. By the time we attacked, they had all gone home to Mommy.

5. In war, there is no such thing as overkill. We used to shoot each other with BB guns (and no, no one got their eye put out). The problem was everyone had a BB gun, so no one had an advantage until the morning I took my Daisy single shot air rifle apart, leaving only an open tube about the size of a nickel. I filled it half full with BB's, rocks, sand, and dirt. Voila! A BB shotgun. At point blank range, it was devastating. Some would say it was "too much" for a backyard game among pals, but they never understood rules 6 and 7 below. .
.
6. Cheat. There are no rules in war.

7. Win. Always. No one asks how you got the job done after you win, but they will always ask why it didn't get done if you lose.

mousewallrat
April 18th, 2008, 12:36 AM
And then there are Wallrats Modified Rules of War.
1. If you're not with us, you're against us, and will be Nuked into the Stone Age poste haste.
2. While the other side is trying to figure if there even IS a game send in the 101st Airborne, and the Marines.
3. Let the Motherfuckers run, a nuke has a kill radius on miles and miles.
4.If someone mocks you, kill him, rape his dog, and kill his wife. Then move on to his extended family to set a good example.
5.Overkill? What's that? Shoot them, then bomb them, then nuke them...twice if they might still be alive.
6.Perfect...fucking perfect, Fubar.
7. Also perfect...need to posrep this guy, he knows how to kick ass.

steph-style
April 18th, 2008, 12:49 AM
Iit stimulates the economy. And with out war (or the threat of it) there would be no reason for armed forces and almost half the people in most countries would be out of a job.
Stimulates the economy? All the money that goes into useless war stuff could be used better.. All those people would have a useful job instead of living on the money they get from taxes and stuff..

Grimmancer
April 18th, 2008, 12:58 AM
Stimulates the economy? All the money that goes into useless war stuff could be used better.. All those people would have a useful job instead of living on the money they get from taxes and stuff..
Thats not true, jobs dont just pop out of thin air... and yes a real war would stimulate the economy, not this crap we have going now but a real war would.
And I found great pleasure in watching those other humans die, before they could kill the humans that are from my neck of the woods... I am glad that those humans are dead and my beliefs, my way of life, my free lifestyle is strengthened and thiers is.... well a cloud of smoke and a pool of blood now

Grammar_Police
April 18th, 2008, 01:09 AM
these are humans.
just like you and me.
anyone who was excited or happy to see these people die are sociopaths.
and i fear the people around you.
for you have a twisted world perspective regardless of what side of the war you believe in.

mousewallrat
April 18th, 2008, 01:38 AM
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these are humans.
just like you and me.
anyone who was excited or happy to see these people die are sociopaths.
and i fear the people around you.
for you have a twisted world perspective regardless of what side of the war you're on.
Sorry Dude, but that's a load of crap. You need to quit going to the Democratic Underground website! Those are the guys that would cut your head off with a dull bread knife, all while singing Allah Ackbar! Sell that crap to Nick Berg...see if he'll buy it. Just like me? Maybe...since I rejoice in their deaths...as they would sing Gods praises in yours, and since they are the enemies of my countrymen. We are better and more noble than they are, any way you look at it. It isn't a wrong thing, nor sick to like to see your country be strong and verile. We are not a cruel society, we give more monies to charity than any people on Earth. Notice your sympathy for these rats our boys shot...it just shows that we (our society), and you are a good and just people. It just happens that those Bastards took up arms against us, and so needed killing. 'Nuff said.

Tilly
April 18th, 2008, 01:44 AM
these are humans.
just like you and me.
anyone who was excited or happy to see these people die are sociopaths.
and i fear the people around you.
for you have a twisted world perspective regardless of what side of the war you believe in.

Is it really sociopath-like when it's in the nature of human society? Hell, it's nature, period. It's not like humans are exempt from the impulses that nature has imprinted in animals. We are just animals too, after all. Plus, it's not like those who like seeing people like these die don't have compassion for those who deserve compassion.

I ask you though, could you really keep that world perspective if you had to be in a desolate shithole, whether American or Arab? I guess perhaps it clears your conscience a little to denounce evil people like me who want to kill evil people like insurgents.

Just a thought. :xyxthumbs:

DC Thug
April 18th, 2008, 03:29 AM
Personally, I wouldn't want to go up against the U.S. in any shooting war. That's a lose-lose situation anyway you slice it.

goldberg
April 18th, 2008, 08:19 AM
Great video. Who knows how many innocent people these cowardly animals killed. Does anybody know what song is used in the video?

MCMXCII
April 18th, 2008, 09:07 AM
Damn. They seem so unaware... From how far away is the video shot?
Do these attacks come just by surprise?
How do the pilots/whatever know they are hitting the right people?

MCMXCII
April 18th, 2008, 09:08 AM
Personally, I wouldn't want to go up against the U.S. in any shooting war. That's a lose-lose situation anyway you slice it.

Yep...

Legend K
April 18th, 2008, 09:34 AM
Sorry Dude, but that's a load of crap. You need to quit going to the Democratic Underground website! Those are the guys that would cut your head off with a dull bread knife, all while singing Allah Ackbar! Sell that crap to Nick Berg...see if he'll buy it. Just like me? Maybe...since I rejoice in their deaths...as they would sing Gods praises in yours, and since they are the enemies of my countrymen. We are better and more noble than they are, any way you look at it. It isn't a wrong thing, nor sick to like to see your country be strong and verile. We are not a cruel society, we give more monies to charity than any people on Earth. Notice your sympathy for these rats our boys shot...it just shows that we (our society), and you are a good and just people. It just happens that those Bastards took up arms against us, and so needed killing. 'Nuff said.

I know you said 'nuff said' suggesting you are sick of the thread so I don't expect you to reply, but, I have to say I agree with the other guy.

The whole world is a cruel society. So does that mean we shouldn't care about these sand niggars and just shoot them down in the dark as they're walking home? As the sentence suggest no I don't really care about those people who I just saw die, but neither do I care about those of 9/11, (neg rep come my way, lol). You shouldn't kill someone just because they have opposing opinions to you, that's the problem, by killing these people you are lowered to their level of brutal ignornace, and that's persuming that all those white dots were carefully and acurately identified as insurgents:rolleyes:.

"We are better and more noble than they are, any way you look at it."
How about from their perspective? I think you need to get your head out of your arse mate and contemplate why so many people on earth think negatively of America.

A well edited video btw

steph-style
April 18th, 2008, 11:09 AM
Thats not true, jobs dont just pop out of thin air... and yes a real war would stimulate the economy, not this crap we have going now but a real war would.
And I found great pleasure in watching those other humans die, before they could kill the humans that are from my neck of the woods... I am glad that those humans are dead and my beliefs, my way of life, my free lifestyle is strengthened and thiers is.... well a cloud of smoke and a pool of blood now
ahahha it's like saying that paedophiles are good because they give chocolates and sweets to kids...

Grimmancer
April 18th, 2008, 11:54 AM
ahahha it's like saying that paedophiles are good because they give chocolates and sweets to kids... now thats a most silly statement. I wont even bother trying to explain why it is a silly statement.

Karma
April 18th, 2008, 01:35 PM
this is the best damn apache footage i've ever seen, its actually in good quality. also new footage i haven't seen before, i watched most of this clip with my jaw down to my knees

VagrantToad
April 18th, 2008, 02:33 PM
Damn. They seem so unaware... From how far away is the video shot?
Do these attacks come just by surprise?
How do the pilots/whatever know they are hitting the right people?

The hellfire missles can be shot from 5 miles away. The 30mm cannon has a 1400-1600km effective range. They know they are hitting the right people because they watch them for a while. The pilots also have to get clearance to fire. The radio transmission seems like they are between the gunner and a fire controller rather than pilot and gunner. In some of the apache videos you hear someone on the radio confirm there are no Iraqi security forces in the area before firing. Mistakes happen, but the US army is very strict on rules of engagement.

FuriousZ
April 18th, 2008, 03:14 PM
can anyone tell what the fuck it is they're firing?
you can see the impacts on the ground and then some of em seem to collapse in a strange way, like their legs went out first.
like the guy in the alley, -BOOM- takes a step, then goes down, then looks to be burning to a crisp

just out of morbid curiousity....

Tilly
April 18th, 2008, 03:39 PM
You shouldn't kill someone just because they have opposing opinions to you

What does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Why would you possibly think we kill them for having different opinions? Your whole comment is pretty much centered around that idea, so I only really need to address that one phrase. That's like saying we fought Nazi Germany because they thought the perfect people had blue eyes and blond hair.

Have you ever thought that maybe the troops kill insurgents because they kill people needlessly, and they're fucking up Iraq's progress towards building itself back up? I'd like to see you try and tell an Iraqi family "we're not going to try and prevent your death because we respect insurgents' opinions to kill you."

Tilly
April 18th, 2008, 03:41 PM
Damn. They seem so unaware... From how far away is the video shot?
Do these attacks come just by surprise?
How do the pilots/whatever know they are hitting the right people?

The planes fly so high that you can't hear or see them in the night sky, so yes, the attacks do come by surprise. Not only do the pilots watch them, there is also an intel section hard at work determining targets.

Mortello
April 18th, 2008, 05:31 PM
For those who glorify war, weapons, and false patriotism fueled by family generations and the media, then I have a video for you.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IrJAwCBbnuc


Personally, I like the music but I think the idea of glorifying war is stupid and those are just ethnocentric people who need a few years to better understand the world we live in.

Tilly
April 18th, 2008, 05:49 PM
For those who glorify war, weapons, and false patriotism fueled by family generations and the media, then I have a video for you.

Personally, I like the music but I think the idea of glorifying war is stupid and those are just ethnocentric people who need a few years to better understand the world we live in.

I'm having a hard time understanding your comment. This is the video that you meant to post.

IrJAwCBbnuc

You directed this video towards "those who glorify war, weapons, and false patriotism fueled by family generations and the media." Doesn't this video you posted do the same thing? Did you mean for the video to be some kind of eye-opener because you think it's over the top like how you might think the compilation is over the top?

Second, who "are just ethnocentric people who need a few years to better understand the world we live in?" Are you saying the insurgents are these ethnocentric people who are sad victims of circumstance that we should have sympathy for, or are you saying that those glorifying war the ethnocentric people who are ignorant for doing so?

jammin91
April 18th, 2008, 06:09 PM
Stimulates the economy? All the money that goes into useless war stuff could be used better.. All those people would have a useful job instead of living on the money they get from taxes and stuff..

What got us out of the Great Depression?

A lot of people would be living off of well fair cause the only job they can get is at Macdonald's cause they didn't join the military so they could get a better education they wouldn't have been able to afford.

Mortello
April 18th, 2008, 06:46 PM
You directed this video towards "those who glorify war, weapons, and false patriotism fueled by family generations and the media." Doesn't this video you posted do the same thing? Did you mean for the video to be some kind of eye-opener because you think it's over the top like how you might think the compilation is over the top?

No, it's more like: if you like this, you probably will like this. I liked the music, but not the message.


Second, who "are just ethnocentric people who need a few years to better understand the world we live in?" Are you saying the insurgents are these ethnocentric people who are sad victims of circumstance that we should have sympathy for, or are you saying that those glorifying war the ethnocentric people who are ignorant for doing so?

More closer to the idea of the people who idealize war to be something beautiful and never really seen it for themselves. As the old saying goes: "Dulce et decorum est pro patri mori" (literally, "Sweet and fitting it is to die for your native land") which is total sack of rivited bullshit.

Raidenator
April 18th, 2008, 09:07 PM
For those who glorify war, weapons, and false patriotism fueled by family generations and the media, then I have a video for you.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=IrJAwCBbnuc


Personally, I like the music but I think the idea of glorifying war is stupid and those are just ethnocentric people who need a few years to better understand the world we live in.

That video kicks ass. War FTW.

TWISTEDTA
April 18th, 2008, 10:50 PM
that's intense!

Grimmancer
April 19th, 2008, 12:17 AM
No, it's more like: if you like this, you probably will like this. I liked the music, but not the message.



More closer to the idea of the people who idealize war to be something beautiful and never really seen it for themselves. As the old saying goes: "Dulce et decorum est pro patri mori" (literally, "Sweet and fitting it is to die for your native land") which is total sack of rivited bullshit.
There is nothing wrong to be happy, to get excited when your "team" your fellow countrymen kick ass, even if a person has never seen combat. I have and do I want to go back hell no, I would if I needed to... but I dont take any offence when people who have never seen combat root for their troops. I actually think that is how it should be.
I will always cheer when I see my brothers kick ass, and sometimes I will even dance:1bluewinky:

steph-style
April 19th, 2008, 09:41 AM
What got us out of the Great Depression?

A lot of people would be living off of well fair cause the only job they can get is at Macdonald's cause they didn't join the military so they could get a better education they wouldn't have been able to afford.
Who pays the military?

steph-style
April 19th, 2008, 09:43 AM
now thats a most silly statement. I wont even bother trying to explain why it is a silly statement.
Well you say it is good to do war because it gives jobs to some people, even if it kills lots of other people.. I say paedophiles are good because they give sweets to kids even if they rape them just after.

Big Ozzie
April 19th, 2008, 09:48 AM
Well you say it is good to do war because it gives jobs to some people, even if it kills lots of other people.. I say paedophiles are good because they give sweets to kids even if they rape them just after.

What...are you a Dentist?
There are a lot of Health Conscious Paedo's around...:eek7:
now they offer Fruit and Vegetables rather than Sweets! :D

jammin91
April 19th, 2008, 01:05 PM
Who pays the military?

Tax payers. But whats you point? Either way you're gunna have someone sitting collecting money out of your pocket. Would you rather them earn it or have it handed to them?

JACKASS2010
April 19th, 2008, 02:35 PM
FUCK EM ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bushga
April 19th, 2008, 04:01 PM
Reminds of of that level in Call of duty 4 where you play as once of the gunners in an apache gunship

GixxPA
April 19th, 2008, 05:21 PM
What I think is craziest part about this war is all the money that's being spent. What we spend on this war every 3 months can cover the entire social security budget for a year. :omg: Instead it's spent on killing people when it could be spent to help save lives and improve the quality of life of people.

It's complicated, and what can "we the people do?" Bitch about it on internet forums and hope that our vote for the next moron from either column A or B will be better.

No, you're mistaken. The money used on this war comes out of our defense budget. That money can NOT be used for social security or anything other than military spending. The Iraq war is only a very small percentage of the defense budget. Speaking of morons, that applies to anyone who believes Hillary or Obama that they'll pull our troops out of Iraq. Obama's own plan requires at least 60,000 troops staying. They're politicians remember and they'll twist words. McCain was correct, we'll be in Iraq 100 years. We've been in Germany and Japan for 60+ years since WW2.

Snuff.
April 19th, 2008, 08:53 PM
No, you're mistaken. The money used on this war comes out of our defense budget. That money can NOT be used for social security or anything other than military spending.

Only because your government's bound at the wrists by a vast military-industrial complex! :1orglaugh:

Tilly
April 19th, 2008, 09:00 PM
Only because your government's bound at the wrists by a vast military-industrial complex! :1orglaugh:

Pfft, but how much of that money goes to the Marines? Jack and shit! You'd think being the smallest yet toughest branch, they could hook us up with some nice expensive shit. But no, we're stuck with Army hand-me-downs even while the government has a contract with Colt firearms to get vast discounts on rifles.

Tilly
April 19th, 2008, 09:02 PM
Who pays the military?

The military pays itself, of course! It's a fact that servicemen get taxed from their very same pay that comes from taxes. I've never understood what the point of that is...

Snuff.
April 19th, 2008, 09:12 PM
Pfft, but how much of that money goes to the Marines? Jack and shit! You'd think being the smallest yet toughest branch, they could hook us up with some nice expensive shit. But no, we're stuck with Army hand-me-downs even while the government has a contract with Colt firearms to get vast discounts on rifles.

That's an incredibly naive perspective. What do you think happens to economies surrounding barracks? Who supplies troops? Who recruits through the army? Moving up a few tiers, where do the arms come from? What are their shelf-lives? Who pays for the upkeep and maintenance of those holks you've got sailing the oceans stocked with the greatest arms and communications observational equipment in the world? It's an economic model in and itself: the military-industrial complex, and it is fucking vast. That's a statement of fact, nothing to contend with.

JACKASS2010
April 19th, 2008, 09:15 PM
heh! snuffy changed his name......perks of being head bossman huh?

Snuff.
April 19th, 2008, 09:18 PM
heh! snuffy changed his name......perks of being head bossman huh?

Alongside the stretches, the mountains of coke, the fat cheques and the cheap lays, you mean? Meh, it's alright. :smokin:

JACKASS2010
April 19th, 2008, 09:32 PM
Alongside the stretches, the mountains of coke, the fat cheques and the cheap lays, you mean? Meh, it's alright. :smokin:
:1orglaugh: :1orglaugh: ok i pledge allegience!!!!!!!!!!!


:omg: just dont kill me man

Tilly
April 19th, 2008, 09:36 PM
That's an incredibly naive perspective. What do you think happens to economies surrounding barracks? Who supplies troops? Who recruits through the army? Moving up a few tiers, where do the arms come from? What are their shelf-lives? Who pays for the upkeep and maintenance of those holks you've got sailing the oceans stocked with the greatest arms and communications observational equipment in the world? It's an economic model in and itself: the military-industrial complex, and it is fucking vast. That's a statement of fact, nothing to contend with.

How is it naive to state the obvious? First, let me address your questions.

The first question makes no sense to me. You'll have to elaborate.

Every unit has a logistics and supply section that order supplies from civilian companies.

Recruiters do the recruiting. They just rent office space and assign soldiers/marines/airmen/sailors on recruiting duty.

Arms come from arms manufacturers. The M-16 comes from Colt. The Marines have a contract with Colt to get around 75% off (guesstimate) of what their rifles would normally cost. I'll also go further than that and say that ammo is purchased from the lowest bidder.

Shelf life is pretty long. We used rifles that were decades old, and you could really tell.

I have no idea what a holk is, hence I can't answer that question with certainty. I will venture a guess that it's a combination of civilian contractors and maintenance people from the military itself.

I'm not sure what the implication of your comment is coming from, but don't you think you're talking out your ass on this one? I was merely saying that with the entire defense budget, Marines don't get crap. I can say this with a certainty because the rest of the branches constantly get new barracks, better gear, plush work conditions, big plasma TVs that deck out their mess halls, ordnance out the ass, extra pay for people to live out in town if there's not enough room for them in the barracks, barracks rooms that have multiple rooms within them, in the Chair Force some barracks even get ROOM SERVICE (yes that's right, maids come by their rooms to clean them up), new vehicles, etc etc etc.

Perhaps you can explain to me why Marines who use AT-4s can only go out and train with TWO of them, while the Army can play with dozens. AT-4s are single shot weapons, mind you. You use them once and then you can't use them anymore. Can you also explain why training conditions have never been half as accommodating when it came to ammo and ordnance since Reagan was president? Is there a reason why we still use equipment from the Vietnam era?

You can try to argue that I don't understand shit about this military-industrial complex while you do all you like, but in this argument, all it does is try to distract from the point I originally made.

mastershake407
April 19th, 2008, 09:44 PM
i want a GIF of 1:24-1:17

some sweet shit.


US FIREPOWER BABY. you will never see it coming:smilie_flagge13:

Snuff.
April 19th, 2008, 09:51 PM
I'm not sure what the implication of your comment is coming from, but don't you think you're talking out your ass on this one? I was merely saying that with the entire defense budget, Marines don't get crap.

Oh?

Pfft, but how much of that money goes to the Marines? Jack and shit! You'd think being the smallest yet toughest branch, they could hook us up with some nice expensive shit. But no, we're stuck with Army hand-me-downs even while the government has a contract with Colt firearms to get vast discounts on rifles.

I took that response to be dismissive of my statement that your government is politically bound to a vast economic (stimulus?) - the military industrial complex. I'm no economist either, I'm simply breaking down my understanding of it, and my statement in a general sense is pretty accurate. That 'pfft' there had me thrown- alongside the fact you quoted me and you seemed to be contending something. Now I know you were making a wholly unrelated point, and on that note I'm sorry to hear about all the weapons you can't have. :p

Next war, maybe?

Tilly
April 19th, 2008, 09:54 PM
Oh?



I took that response to be dismissive of my statement that your government is politically bound to a vast economic (stimulus?) - the military industrial complex. I'm no economist either, I'm simply breaking down my understanding of it, and my statement in a general sense is pretty accurate. That 'pfft' there had me thrown- alongside the fact you quoted me and you seemed to be contending something. Now I know you were making a wholly unrelated point, and on that note I'm sorry to hear about all the weapons you can't have. :p

Next war, maybe?

lol, nah. I was just saying "pfft" despite the big defense budget overall. I was agreeing to an extent. I'm sorry too that we couldn't have all the weapons we wanted. :1orglaugh:

JACKASS2010
April 19th, 2008, 09:55 PM
ohhh snuff.,,..... not happy wit yo post f00l??? i saw that edit!!!!



*btw pay no attention to my shit....i'm dwunk

Bubzilla
April 19th, 2008, 09:56 PM
Mmmmmm ... them's some good Haji's ... good n' dead!

steph-style
April 19th, 2008, 11:50 PM
Tax payers. But whats you point? Either way you're gunna have someone sitting collecting money out of your pocket. Would you rather them earn it or have it handed to them?
I would rather have them doing something useful... If they were building houses and bringing water to poor people it would be the same for the economy and it would me a bit more useful... Whatever every one has his own oppinion..

steph-style
April 19th, 2008, 11:53 PM
What...are you a Dentist?
There are a lot of Health Conscious Paedo's around...:eek7:
now they offer Fruit and Vegetables rather than Sweets! :D
No that comes later when they stick their carrot up the kids but...:eek7:

Cuddle
April 20th, 2008, 01:48 AM
just curious if anyone know who did that orchestra work, i know a little off topic

TomaszDK
April 22nd, 2008, 02:36 PM
Americans shouldnt complain about roadside bombs, not when they themselves are flying a mile away using thermal gear, and picking of soft targets with 30MM machine cannons...

Either way, both sides try to do whatever they can to win. War is hell, war is usefull, war is an economic stimulant, movie material and human nature... there will ALWAYS be wars...

DC Thug
April 23rd, 2008, 09:24 PM
Americans shouldnt complain about roadside bombs, not when they themselves are flying a mile away using thermal gear, and picking of soft targets with 30MM machine cannons...

Either way, both sides try to do whatever they can to win. War is hell, war is usefull, war is an economic stimulant, movie material and human nature... there will ALWAYS be wars...

So you're saying that just because the Coalition Forces use superior technology, they have no place to complain about roadside bombs? You see, this is the flaw in your logic: you say that the Coalition Forces use helicopters (and whatnot) to attack at a distance from their target. What are roadside bombs? Most of them are remote-detonated. The ones setting off the bombs for the most part are also at a distance from the explosion. Not only that, they have the ability to blend into the innocent civilians around them, which is thoroughly criminal in my opinion.

Subject your own people to collateral damage for your own actions? That's evil.

And is the second part of your statement an acceptance of war, in conflict with your earlier comment? Or is it just a realism? I would agree with the latter.

DayZ
April 24th, 2008, 09:36 AM
holy fuking call of duty 4

Red/Yellow
April 24th, 2008, 10:56 AM
Point and click warfare, almost seems like a computer game in those clips. Kind of sad in a way.

Not that a guy with a spear skewering someone is any better.

anmp5sits
May 13th, 2008, 03:36 PM
Why the hell would anyone want to fuc with America. 911, all that other bullshit.. I dont give a dam what you believe in also. So, go ahead and scream Allāhu Akbar till you're blue in the face. Hell, you may even take out a few folks. But, in the end, you will lose. In the end, you will die. Oh, and by the way. All you nimrods out there who feel sorry for these people getting blown up. Behind closed doors and if the opportunity presented itself, these same people would torture and kill you, your children and everyone and everything else that you value. These insurgents are monsters. Nothing more. What they want most, is that YOU die and go away. They need to be eliminated period!

Lock'sMom
May 14th, 2008, 01:05 AM
Are men are naturally insensitive... or do the movies and video games they play have a role in desensitizing them... and I don't mean this in an insulting way fellas, but I just can't understand the "fuck yeah, shoot the bastards" mentality of boys & men.

I feel the same way when I see a dead enemy on my screen as I feel when I see someone who died in an earthquake or a house fire. I feel a little pulse of grief for the loss of life that has nothing to do with who they were or why they died. You know that feeling you get when you go past a really bad crash on the highway and you're certain someone must have died... yeah, it's like that.

My son and I have debated this issue to death... a news report that brings me to tears can, at the same time, make him laugh and say something flip. That car crash? I'll say "OMG that's a bad crash" and he'll say "look how fucked up that car is that's fuckin' awesome" and it'll just piss me off!!!

Yeah, that's how this thread has made me feel, had to stop reading halfway through.