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CaptainPlanet
October 23rd, 2008, 03:51 PM
Oil powerhouse Venezuela struggles to keep lights on

SAN FELIX, Venezuela (Reuters) – Despite having some of the world's largest energy reserves, Venezuela is increasingly struggling to maintain basic electrical service, a growing challenge for leftist President Hugo Chavez.

The OPEC nation has suffered three nationwide blackouts this year, and chronic power shortages have sparked protests from the western Andean highlands to San Felix, a city of mostly poor industrial workers in the sweltering south.

Shoddy electrical service is now one of Venezuelans' top concerns, according to a recent poll, and may be a factor in elections next month for governors and mayors in which Chavez allies are expected to lose key posts, in part on complaints of poor services.

The problem suggests that Chavez, with his ambitious international alliances and promises to end capitalism, risks alienating supporters by failing to focus on basic issues like electricity, trash collection and law enforcement.

"With so much energy in Venezuela, how can we be without power?" asked Fernando Aponte, 49, whose slum neighborhood of Las Delicias in San Felix spent 15 days without electricity -- leading him to block a nearby avenue with burning tires in protest.

Just next door, Carmen Fernandez, 82, who is blind and has a pacemaker, says she has trouble sleeping through sultry nights without even a fan to cool her.

Experts say Venezuela for years has skimped billions of dollars in electrical investments, leaving generation 20 percent below the level necessary for a stable power grid and increasing the risk of national outages. Officially Venezuela has a capacity of 22,500 megawatts for a population of 28 million people, but a sizeable proportion is not working, analysts say.

And while Chavez has won praise for investing in health and education, his government has done little to repair local distribution systems that deliver electricity to end users, from barrio residents to business and industries.

'GOD HEARD ME'
Pastora Medina, a legislator representing San Felix and nearby cities suffering chronic power problems, this month tried to bring the issue up in the national Congress in Caracas, but the legislature's leadership refused to let her speak.

Several hours later, as the legislature discussed a South American integration plan created by Chavez, Congress itself lost power for around 10 minutes.

"Congress wouldn't listen to me, but God must have," Medina said with a chuckle as she recounted the incident later at her office in San Felix.
Though it is a key oil exporter, most of Venezuela's power comes from hydroelectricity generated in dams in the southeast, near Brazil, and sent to the rest of the country. The remainder comes mainly from aging oil-fired plants.

The transmission system is also suffering from underinvestment, which makes it vulnerable to the failures that caused this year's blackouts.
The government has responded by building dozens of tiny local plants that generate a fraction of a percent of national consumption, a model known as "distributed generation" used in Cuba, where a U.S. embargo impedes electrical development.

But to keep up with demand, Venezuela needed to add 1,000 megawatts of new generation capacity every year for at least the last five years, but instead it has installed only about 350 MW a year.

"We have to reach the most remote villages with the system of distributed generation," Chavez said in recent speech, inaugurating a generator in a town with deficient power.

His government has also promised to accelerate new generation and boost transmission grid investment.

BARRIO IMPACT
But critics say these small power plants are political quick fixes that avoid tackling the thorny problems of boosting generation and fixing decrepit distribution systems.

"We need a clear energy policy, because the policy we have is not sustainable," Andres Matas, a former planning chief for a state power company. "This is a problem for the entire country."

He said this will require investment in local distribution systems, speeding up generation projects stalled for years by bureaucracy and lifting state-imposed price controls that keep tariffs at about 20 percent of what U.S. residents pay.

It will also require collecting fees from millions of barrio residents who illegally link their homes to the power grid with improvised and dangerous lines -- a move not likely to be popular with a government that depends on barrio votes.

Even as he enjoys strong support for his oil-financed social development campaign, polls show Chavez sympathizers are losing patience with the national and local politicians' inability to tackle bread-and-butter issues.
Chavez last year fired up his supporters with a wave of state takeovers including the nationalization of electricity operations, among them Electricidad de Caracas, which was majority owned by U.S.-based AES Corp.

But his supporters now seem more concerned about deteriorating service than the state ownership.

Chronic power problems take the strongest toll in barrios like those of San Felix -- still bastions of Chavez support -- where power surges routinely burn out home appliances.

"Our refrigerators have burned out so we can't shop for the week, we can only shop for one day at a time," said Nestor Pacheco, 39. "The situation is serious."

(Reporting by Brian Ellsworth; Editing by Eddie Evans)

DC Thug
October 24th, 2008, 02:05 AM
translation!!!

silenthill22
October 24th, 2008, 12:30 PM
This guy masturbates at night to the thought of going to war with America. He's like a chihuahua barking at a great dane or something, crying for attention. The dude is paranoid and needs to lay off the white powder.

He is always in the news barking at America and doesn't seem to realise America barely acknowledges his country's existence. We don't care about your shithole country, dude!

jaba
October 26th, 2008, 01:14 AM
The Americans and Chavez.

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Fox News and Chavez.

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Pat 'the twat' Robertson speaks for America about Chavez.

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mousewallrat
October 26th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Now I know why you're so misimformed, Jaba...you believe the propaganda you find on You Tube. You need to get a better information source. May I suggest WSWS.O R G? That might fit your views better.

CaptainPlanet
October 26th, 2008, 09:54 PM
"His social reforms provoked hysterical attacks"

Jaba,
Can you find something to post that isn't a piece of fucking propaganda? lewl, "this guy wants to help the poor in his country lets shoot him"

jaba
October 27th, 2008, 01:11 AM
Now I know why you're so misimformed, Jaba...you believe the propaganda you find on You Tube. You need to get a better information source. May I suggest WSWS.O R G? That might fit your views better.Hahaha.
Absolute fucking nonsense as I predicted - I will stick with non-biased informative journalism ta very much.

im sorry? how many colonies did the british have?Google it numbnut.
Oh and don't be so sorry.

"His social reforms provoked hysterical attacks"

Jaba,
Can you find something to post that isn't a piece of fucking propaganda? lewl, "this guy wants to help the poor in his country lets shoot him"John Pilger is a much respected journalist.
He doesn't sit in any political pocket or bow down to media-mogul pressures.

Some of you Yanks seem to think you have the fucking right to systematically meddle in the political processes of other nations to suit your own fucking agenda. :cool:

CaptainPlanet
October 27th, 2008, 10:37 AM
John Pilger is a much respected journalist.
He doesn't sit in any political pocket or bow down to media-mogul pressures.

OK, so the reason everyone hates Chavez is because he wants to help the poor? That's what the quote I cited implied, and that's why I said it was bullshit propaganda. He's a wanna-be-Castro, and his "reforms" went well beyond just social reforms - there was plenty about him to make people nervous beyond his "social" agenda for Venezuela


Some of you Yanks seem to think you have the fucking right to systematically meddle in the political processes of other nations to suit your own fucking agenda. :cool:

And when we opt to stay out of a particular difficult situation we get slammed for that too. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't most, if not all of the time

jaba
October 27th, 2008, 03:12 PM
OK, so the reason everyone hates Chavez is because he wants to help the poor? That's what the quote I cited implied, and that's why I said it was bullshit propaganda. He's a wanna-be-Castro, and his "reforms" went well beyond just social reforms - there was plenty about him to make people nervous beyond his "social" agenda for VenezuelaNot everyone hates Chavez.
Venezuela should be left to decide upon it's own political future is all I was saying and if he sees Castro as a good role-model then this will be reflected in his own popularity at the forthcoming elections.

And when we opt to stay out of a particular difficult situation we get slammed for that too. We're damned if we do, damned if we don't most, if not all of the timeA simple request is all it needs to render assistance.
Go it alone covert CIA meddling is not the answer here - transparency in all aspects of supporting measures would prevent backlashes.

CaptainPlanet
October 27th, 2008, 04:37 PM
OK, so the reason "His social reforms provoked hysterical attacks" is because he wants to help the poor? That's what the quote I cited implied, and that's why I said it was bullshit propaganda. He's a wanna-be-Castro, and his "reforms" went well beyond just social reforms - there was plenty about him to make people nervous beyond his "social" agenda for Venezuela

Fixed?

Not everyone hates Chavez.
Venezuela should be left to decide upon it's own political future is all I was saying and if he sees Castro as a good role-model then this will be reflected in his own popularity at the forthcoming elections.

When I said "everyone" I was getting at the people who made "hysterical attacks", my apologies for not being clear and I agree that he's pretty popular in his own country and in many other Central/South American countries


A simple request is all it needs to render assistance.
Go it alone covert CIA meddling is not the answer here - transparency in all aspects of supporting measures would prevent backlashes.

While I don't like him, and enjoy when he fucks shit up, he's really more show when it comes to being a thorn in my country's side more than he is a real problem/threat so I wouldn't support a move by our country to remove him from power. Now... if he pulled a Kadafi and started blowing up airliners then that would change things

...and how about that? I think transparency would be a good thing too, the biggest problem I see when you look at the history of US interventionism in the world is going half-ass with things. Either do it right, or GTFO - especially when it comes to putting our troops on the line. Half-ass meddling just causes problems

Smilecabi.net
October 28th, 2008, 10:27 PM
This guy is a jackass. His own people fucking hate him

And that vid that jaba posted, bro, you can find a handful of people that love chavez and ignore the millions that hate him.

jaba
October 30th, 2008, 03:34 AM
bro, you can find a handful of people that love chavez and ignore the millions that hate him.Bro, you can find a handful of people that hate Chavez and ignore the millions that love him. :cool:

PedrofromVenezuela
August 6th, 2009, 12:39 PM
Hi I just passed by and saw the tipical international propaganda about people hating Chavez just "because he's helping the poor people". Its just a leftist-communist typical thing to spread out in the media. He arrived at power and discovered he could win elections by dividing the society between the evil middle class and the good-victim poor class. The reality is he started to send checks (MONEY) to a lot of people for doing nothing in the name of "social programs" or "missions" just because a referendum to put him out of power was ahead and the numbers didn't any good to him, so his term would have ended some years ago. Not only that, but Mr. Chavez put out an online list with 40% of the electorate (including me, and other 4 million people) who called to a revocatory referendum (pardon my english), he ordered to discriminate in labor terms these people so everybody who worked at a government office or government related office just had to go. Imagine this in a country wich in 10 years is in a suicidal process of burocratic State grownth, Soviet Union style (the private sector had died 70% since the last 10 years).

So, ok, he helped some poor people with money to buy their vote, but apart from that, all the facts point out that poverty is in the rise, our public debt is in the rise, unemployment is on the rise, and, most important, and as a proof that 10 years of chavez has sent the country down the toilet, crime rate and social decomposition is higher than ever, there has never been a time of so much murder and crime here, never, ever. I can go on talking about the hospitals wich are falling apart, supposed to be free, but there are no doctors, patients have to buy all the implements, the corruption of Mr. Chavez and his family, how a bunch of military know-to-do-anything are now owners of multiple banks, now they are billionaire bastards.

Get it people, Chavez is a DICTATOR, there is no law here, no separate powers, only corruption and more corruption, this a leftist military coup leader with low grades in the academy, an idiot, a fool. A Guy who constantly discusses that the Soviet Union should have never fallen. The guy just needs to suicide, and believe me, sooner or later this bad joke we are living will be over ;)

JooX
August 6th, 2009, 12:47 PM
Yeah - I didnt read all those words and stuff because I'm American and I know best.

tits or gtfo

JACKASS2010
August 6th, 2009, 02:24 PM
Hi I just passed by and saw the tipical international propaganda about people hating Chavez just "because he's helping the poor people". Its just a leftist-communist typical thing to spread out in the media. He arrived at power and discovered he could win elections by dividing the society between the evil middle class and the good-victim poor class. The reality is he started to send checks (MONEY) to a lot of people for doing nothing in the name of "social programs" or "missions" just because a referendum to put him out of power was ahead and the numbers didn't any good to him, so his term would have ended some years ago. Not only that, but Mr. Chavez put out an online list with 40% of the electorate (including me, and other 4 million people) who called to a revocatory referendum (pardon my english), he ordered to discriminate in labor terms these people so everybody who worked at a government office or government related office just had to go. Imagine this in a country wich in 10 years is in a suicidal process of burocratic State grownth, Soviet Union style (the private sector had died 70% since the last 10 years).

So, ok, he helped some poor people with money to buy their vote, but apart from that, all the facts point out that poverty is in the rise, our public debt is in the rise, unemployment is on the rise, and, most important, and as a proof that 10 years of chavez has sent the country down the toilet, crime rate and social decomposition is higher than ever, there has never been a time of so much murder and crime here, never, ever. I can go on talking about the hospitals wich are falling apart, supposed to be free, but there are no doctors, patients have to buy all the implements, the corruption of Mr. Chavez and his family, how a bunch of military know-to-do-anything are now owners of multiple banks, now they are billionaire bastards.

Get it people, Chavez is a DICTATOR, there is no law here, no separate powers, only corruption and more corruption, this a leftist military coup leader with low grades in the academy, an idiot, a fool. A Guy who constantly discusses that the Soviet Union should have never fallen. The guy just needs to suicide, and believe me, sooner or later this bad joke we are living will be over ;)

tl;dr

this thread is almost a fucking year old, no one gives a fuck about it.

and tits or gtfo

Tilly
August 6th, 2009, 02:49 PM
Hi I just passed by and saw the tipical international propaganda about people hating Chavez just "because he's helping the poor people". Its just a leftist-communist typical thing to spread out in the media. He arrived at power and discovered he could win elections by dividing the society between the evil middle class and the good-victim poor class. The reality is he started to send checks (MONEY) to a lot of people for doing nothing in the name of "social programs" or "missions" just because a referendum to put him out of power was ahead and the numbers didn't any good to him, so his term would have ended some years ago. Not only that, but Mr. Chavez put out an online list with 40% of the electorate (including me, and other 4 million people) who called to a revocatory referendum (pardon my english), he ordered to discriminate in labor terms these people so everybody who worked at a government office or government related office just had to go. Imagine this in a country wich in 10 years is in a suicidal process of burocratic State grownth, Soviet Union style (the private sector had died 70% since the last 10 years).

So, ok, he helped some poor people with money to buy their vote, but apart from that, all the facts point out that poverty is in the rise, our public debt is in the rise, unemployment is on the rise, and, most important, and as a proof that 10 years of chavez has sent the country down the toilet, crime rate and social decomposition is higher than ever, there has never been a time of so much murder and crime here, never, ever. I can go on talking about the hospitals wich are falling apart, supposed to be free, but there are no doctors, patients have to buy all the implements, the corruption of Mr. Chavez and his family, how a bunch of military know-to-do-anything are now owners of multiple banks, now they are billionaire bastards.

Get it people, Chavez is a DICTATOR, there is no law here, no separate powers, only corruption and more corruption, this a leftist military coup leader with low grades in the academy, an idiot, a fool. A Guy who constantly discusses that the Soviet Union should have never fallen. The guy just needs to suicide, and believe me, sooner or later this bad joke we are living will be over ;)

Well I always thought Chavez was a hack, but it's interesting still to read about those who see things more first hand than I.

Yeah - I didnt read all those words and stuff because I'm American and I know best.

tits or gtfo

tl;dr

this thread is almost a fucking year old, no one gives a fuck about it.

and tits or gtfo

lol, you guys are retarded.

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August 6th, 2009, 03:05 PM
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mousewallrat
August 6th, 2009, 05:31 PM
Hi I just passed by and saw the tipical international propaganda about people hating Chavez just "because he's helping the poor people". Its just a leftist-communist typical thing to spread out in the media. He arrived at power and discovered he could win elections by dividing the society between the evil middle class and the good-victim poor class. The reality is he started to send checks (MONEY) to a lot of people for doing nothing in the name of "social programs" or "missions" just because a referendum to put him out of power was ahead and the numbers didn't any good to him, so his term would have ended some years ago. Not only that, but Mr. Chavez put out an online list with 40% of the electorate (including me, and other 4 million people) who called to a revocatory referendum (pardon my english), he ordered to discriminate in labor terms these people so everybody who worked at a government office or government related office just had to go. Imagine this in a country wich in 10 years is in a suicidal process of burocratic State grownth, Soviet Union style (the private sector had died 70% since the last 10 years).

So, ok, he helped some poor people with money to buy their vote, but apart from that, all the facts point out that poverty is in the rise, our public debt is in the rise, unemployment is on the rise, and, most important, and as a proof that 10 years of chavez has sent the country down the toilet, crime rate and social decomposition is higher than ever, there has never been a time of so much murder and crime here, never, ever. I can go on talking about the hospitals wich are falling apart, supposed to be free, but there are no doctors, patients have to buy all the implements, the corruption of Mr. Chavez and his family, how a bunch of military know-to-do-anything are now owners of multiple banks, now they are billionaire bastards.

Get it people, Chavez is a DICTATOR, there is no law here, no separate powers, only corruption and more corruption, this a leftist military coup leader with low grades in the academy, an idiot, a fool. A Guy who constantly discusses that the Soviet Union should have never fallen. The guy just needs to suicide, and believe me, sooner or later this bad joke we are living will be over ;)
Don't let Jaba see this...he'll insult your intelligence, call you a liar, and send your name to Chavez. Then he'll laugh when you get arrested and disappear. He's a tough nut. He thinks Che was a softie.