Obama borrowing from your great, great, grandchildren

[breaker19]

Obama Bin Lyin' and his cronies are about to pass a huge so called "stimulus" bill worth almost a TRILLION dollars that is loaded with pork barrel waste and contains virtually nothing to stimulate the flailing economy. The current economic crisis is a result of the huge debt we have amassed over the last 60 years and Obama and the other Socialists/Democrats in Washington seem to think that the only way out is to amass even more debt through huge, wasteful spending. If this wasteful bill is passed we will either be paying for it for generations to come, or the government will literally have to print massive amounts of currency to pay for it causing hyper inflation.

The real solution for our current economic crisis is for the government to get the hell out of the way and let America unleash the power of the free market. If they do this the market will correct itself.

Of course, most of those out there who voted for Obama have no idea what's going on. They're still chanting "change, change" like good little zombies. The rest of us are on the sidelines watching the disaster unfold. We knew this was going to happen when the nation chose socialism by electing a radical socialist as president.

The next few months will be very interesting.
Will Americans wake up and realize what they've done, or will they follow Barak Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi off the edge of a cliff like millions of little lemmings?
Either way, its going to be quite a ride!:40:

[Raidenator]

HAHA. Wasteful spending. I guess having a plan is considered wasteful.

I didn't see the republicans booing Bush when he announced his "throw money at the problem" plan either. At least Obama has some semblance of a plan for this money.

I also didn't see the Republicans up in arms when push started siphoning the money out of a Social Security fund that was to remain untouched. I also didn't see them give a shit when Bush started a war that has cost the country trillions of dollars.

Hm.

[breaker19]

HAHA. Wasteful spending. I guess having a plan is considered wasteful.

I didn't see the republicans booing Bush when he announced his "throw money at the problem" plan either. At least Obama has some semblance of a plan for this money.

And what plan is that? Please define how his so called plan will stimulate the economy.

[Raidenator]

And what plan is that? Please define how his so called plan will stimulate the economy.

Oh God...It's like talking to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. I'll come back and cover this tomorrow. It's 2 in the morning, and my buzz is starting to wear off.

[breaker19]

HAHA. Wasteful spending. I guess having a plan is considered wasteful.

I didn't see the republicans booing Bush when he announced his "throw money at the problem" plan either. At least Obama has some semblance of a plan for this money.

I also didn't see the Republicans up in arms when push started siphoning the money out of a Social Security fund that was to remain untouched. I also didn't see them give a shit when Bush started a war that has cost the country trillions of dollars.

Hm.



Also, Bush didn't start the war. The Islamo Fascists and Al Quaeda did. Bush was just the first president in recent history with the balls to fight back.

[breaker19]

Oh God...It's like talking to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. I'll come back and cover this tomorrow. It's 2 in the morning, and my buzz is starting to wear off.\

Nice copout. Can't defend your position, so blame it on the booze. Typical Liberal!

[breaker19]

HAHA. Wasteful spending. I guess having a plan is considered wasteful.

I didn't see the republicans booing Bush when he announced his "throw money at the problem" plan either. At least Obama has some semblance of a plan for this money.

I also didn't see the Republicans up in arms when push started siphoning the money out of a Social Security fund that was to remain untouched. I also didn't see them give a shit when Bush started a war that has cost the country trillions of dollars.

Hm.

Also, please cite your sources proving that the war has cost trillions of dollars. Last I checked it was in the billions. That's a big difference, genius. Just shows me you're drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and going along with the rest of the lemmings!

[breaker19]

Oh God...It's like talking to Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. I'll come back and cover this tomorrow. It's 2 in the morning, and my buzz is starting to wear off.


Hope to hear from you again. If you're ever coherent enough to debate a real issue I'll be sure to tie half my brain behind my back, just to make it fair!!
(credit to Rush Limbaugh) The offer still stands, though.

[JACKASS2010]

he not dead yet?

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh106/jackass2OO8/Obama.jpg

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Obama Bin Lyin' and his cronies are about to pass a huge so called "stimulus" bill worth almost a TRILLION dollars that is loaded with pork barrel waste and contains virtually nothing to stimulate the flailing economy.

And you know this because you are an economist? Or its something you saw on Fox.
Oh yes, giving tax cuts to a majority of the population and allowing them to have more money in their pockets to spend in a consumer economy is a bad idea. Oh yes, the government, the institution with the most money and power, shouldn't attempt to create 3 million jobs to help cut the 8%+ unemployment level down. OMG THAT"S HORRIBLE.....

The current economic crisis is a result of the huge debt we have amassed over the last 60 years and Obama and the other Socialists/Democrats in Washington seem to think that the only way out is to amass even more debt through huge, wasteful spending. If this wasteful bill is passed we will either be paying for it for generations to come, or the government will literally have to print massive amounts of currency to pay for it causing hyper inflation.

Who is this WE? The government? As I recall, it was these "socialist democrats" that left Bush with one of the biggest surpluses when Clinton left office, and it was Bush that turned that into biggest deficit(besides the Regan years). It was during the 2000-2006 years that these "socialist/democrats" had absolutley no power in either houses of congress and the "captalist/republican" was president... It was during those years that the housing bubble was created and inflated... It was during those years that these financial institutions over leveraged themselves and ammased a great amount of debt.

Obviously Bush loves wasteful spending. He did sign the TARP bill didn't he? The $700 billion that he had no idea where it was going and how it would be used.

Its the Democrats not the FED that released 1.5 trillion of tax payer money to banks and refuse to disclose the transactions?

LOL print money? Money is RARELY printed.

Inflation is an issue but will have to be dealt with later.... -the words of Warren Buffet

The real solution for our current economic crisis is for the government to get the hell out of the way and let America unleash the power of the free market. If they do this the market will correct itself.

Of course, most of those out there who voted for Obama have no idea what's going on. They're still chanting "change, change" like good little zombies. The rest of us are on the sidelines watching the disaster unfold. We knew this was going to happen when the nation chose socialism by electing a radical socialist as president.

The next few months will be very interesting.
Will Americans wake up and realize what they've done, or will they follow Barak Obama, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi off the edge of a cliff like millions of little lemmings?
Either way, its going to be quite a ride!:40:

True, the real solution is to let the market correct itself. But which market are you talking about? Or are you just talking?
The government shouldn't have put its hands in these banks and should have let the bad ones fail and liquidate and the good ones succeed and buy instead of propping them up.

Obama's bill isn't directly putting its hands in a particular market as the Bush TARP bill did.

Do you know what a radical socialist is? Please find the definition. I assume this was your pick for president. Just watch the first 10 seconds...

-2ZGnM2oku8

Follow them to edge of the cliff? LAWLZ

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Also, please cite your sources proving that the war has cost trillions of dollars. Last I checked it was in the billions. That's a big difference, genius. Just shows me you're drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and going along with the rest of the lemmings!


Here ya go. http://zfacts.com/p/447.html

630+ Billion and counting. Almost as much as the stimulus bill.. Only difference is the country benefits from the stimulus bill but not the war... TY

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Also, Bush didn't start the war. The Islamo Fascists and Al Quaeda did. Bush was just the first president in recent history with the balls to fight back.

Yes Al Quaeda that's in Iraq and has weapons of mass destruction started the war in Iraq...

[tgd_02]

The real solution for our current economic crisis is for the government to get the hell out of the way and let America unleash the power of the free market. If they do this the market will correct itself.

LOL!

stopped readin rite here

fucking A' this shit is so fucking biased is laughable, the US of fucking A isnt even at the top list of countries that are considered true free market, remember back in 2001 wen our allies pledged to help in Iraq Afghan war, wat did Bush do? that mother fucker went and raised the tariffs on steel from COUNTRIES THAT WERE HELPING US
yea, free market will fix everything :rolleyes2:
next thing youll be telling me is that the auto, oil industries and banks helping wit the deficit

YEA OK!

[Raidenator]

And what plan is that? Please define how his so called plan will stimulate the economy.

http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11651739?source=most_viewed

There's a minimal breakdown of Obama's plan to stimulate the economy. It's going to cut spending on projects that won't create jobs, and put them into things that will. It also provides for better education, and cuts the taxes to allow more spending.

He is proposing 15,000 tax breaks to those people who buy new homes, and tax breaks for those that buy American vehicles. Both will stimulate the home front economy. None of this outsourcing bull shit.

I won't go into the finer details, because I'm not an economy major. The plan is there, and it seems pretty clear cut to me. The only thing that you republican faggots seem to have a problem with is, "It'll take too long". Taken from republican senator Orin Hatch himself.

Also, Bush didn't start the war. The Islamo Fascists and Al Quaeda did. Bush was just the first president in recent history with the balls to fight back.

Oh he didn't? So because Saddam was a "fascist" we HAD to go and take over that right? Nevermind the other numerous fascist leaders around the world. Saddam was the REAL threat? Oh, yeah, he had the WMD's. I forgot, my mistake. It doesn't matter that we allegedly sold them to him.

Besides that, terrorism really had absolutely no basis for a war in Iraq. I don't see how people still make this connection. "WE HAD TO GO TO IRAQ CUZ OF THE TERRORISTS!!111!"

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Nice copout. Can't defend your position, so blame it on the booze. Typical Liberal!

Oh, I haven't gone anywhere. I needed sleep after a 14 hour work day. You also make the mistake of assuming I'm a liberal. I'm not. In fact, I've defended Bushisms around here a number of times. But of course, you wouldn't know that.

Also, please cite your sources proving that the war has cost trillions of dollars. Last I checked it was in the billions. That's a big difference, genius. Just shows me you're drinking the Obama Kool-Aid and going along with the rest of the lemmings!

You are correct, I made a mistake in that regard. Sometimes I tend to mix up my massive pork barrel spendings. It really is quite hard to distinguish 700 billion dollars of a worthless stimulus with 600 billion of a worthless war.

Hope to hear from you again. If you're ever coherent enough to debate a real issue I'll be sure to tie half my brain behind my back, just to make it fair!!
(credit to Rush Limbaugh) The offer still stands, though.

So you actually do listen to the bullshit that Rush Limbaugh spews out? That guy is the biggest hack I've ever seen.

Oh, and one more thing. I forgot to address this earlier.

Free market is going to fix the economy? HAHAHAHA. We tried letting the American motor companies have 'free market'. Those retards obviously can't handle it. We had a free market under Bush, funny how it didn't work. Oh but maybe it wasn't FREE enough?

Perhaps we oughta allow monopolies? I can't see anything wrong with letting Wal-Mart and Microsoft take over the world, do you?

Oh, and one more thing. Just to reiterate. You have the title that says, "Obama borrowing from your great, great, grandchildren". Did you forget that Bush drained our social security? I know I said it before, but it's worth saying again. He's not taking from our great grand children, he's taking from us. He's taking from me. There's not going to be anything left by the time I get to receive that benefit.

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pwnt pwnt pwnt


who is this noob?

[PlaneswalkerX]

Who would even care about their great, great grandchildren? That's their fucking problem.

[footballbat]

I'm not going to get into the other stuff, because republican socialism = democrat socialism. The only difference is which constituent group is holding their hand out.

Corporations = beneficiaries of republican socialism.
Unions and welfare recipients = beneficiaries of democrat socialism.

This I have to comment on, though.

Free market is going to fix the economy? HAHAHAHA. We tried letting the American motor companies have 'free market'. Those retards obviously can't handle it. We had a free market under Bush, funny how it didn't work. Oh but maybe it wasn't FREE enough?

The American motor companies would benefit greatly by following the example set by foreign auto makers that have factories in this country. Unfortunately, they (the Big Three) have been hamstrung by the AFL/CIO.

[Raidenator]

The American motor companies would benefit greatly by following the example set by foreign auto makers that have factories in this country. Unfortunately, they (the Big Three) have been hamstrung by the AFL/CIO.

In my opinion, the American motors have no excuse for being as terrible as they are right now. They really could do with taking a few notes from the foreign makers. I simply can't begin to understand what these executives are thinking.

"Gas prices are going up! LET'S CREATE ANOTHER TRUCK!!!"

"WE'RE BANKRUPT! GIVE US MONEY SO WE CAN BUY BETTER JETS AND LAY OFF MORE EMPLOYEES!"

Seriously, do these people not think at all? The only cars/companies I can see sticking it around are, Jeep, Corvettes... and MAYBE Chrysler. Just maybe. Other than that, the companies are going down the crapper. GM especially.

[PlaneswalkerX]

Other than that, the companies are going down the crapper. GM especially.

I hate it too, because GM makes some great vehicles.

[footballbat]

Isn't GM coming out with Yukon and Silverado Hybrids?

[PlaneswalkerX]

Isn't GM coming out with Yukon and Silverado Hybrids?

Yes, Escalade as well.

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In my opinion, the American motors have no excuse for being as terrible as they are right now. They really could do with taking a few notes from the foreign makers. I simply can't begin to understand what these executives are thinking.

"Gas prices are going up! LET'S CREATE ANOTHER TRUCK!!!"

"WE'RE BANKRUPT! GIVE US MONEY SO WE CAN BUY BETTER JETS AND LAY OFF MORE EMPLOYEES!"

Seriously, do these people not think at all? The only cars/companies I can see sticking it around are, Jeep, Corvettes... and MAYBE Chrysler. Just maybe. Other than that, the companies are going down the crapper. GM especially.


Its true that they could take notes from foreign car makers, but as footballbat said, they are hammered by the labor unions. Foreign car makers don't have to worry about paying their retirees, while the big 3 do. Therefore they can sell their cars cheaper than them. And you're right. While gas prices were up they should have been thinking of making more fuel efficient cars. But they didn't have the money to. Especially when they, GM, lose almost $1200 per car they make.

I wouldn't want to see any of the Big 3 fail, because too many retirees depend on their survival. I wish they would just take their losses, liquidate their unsold cars, and let uncle same (as much as I don't like him) help them.

[Raidenator]

Its true that they could take notes from foreign car makers, but as footballbat said, they are hammered by the labor unions. Foreign car makers don't have to worry about paying their retirees, while the big 3 do. Therefore they can sell their cars cheaper than them. And you're right. While gas prices were up they should have been thinking of making more fuel efficient cars. But they didn't have the money to. Especially when they, GM, lose almost $1200 per car they make.

I wouldn't want to see any of the Big 3 fail, because too many retirees depend on their survival. I wish they would just take their losses, liquidate their unsold cars, and let uncle same (as much as I don't like him) help them.

They do get hurt by labor unions, but a lot of companies do. It's been like that ever since the labor laws started making their appearance. I'll give you that with all the baby boomers starting to retire, they do come across as something of a problem though.

Here's what I think though. The American mades have to deal with the labor crap, yes. But the foreign auto-makers have to deal with shipping costs, licensing, and import taxes. I believe it kind of balances itself out.

Besides, the foreigns are now starting to outsource their factories into the U.S. So they must be doing something right.

I just think the overall business plan of GM, Ford, and Chevy is just...crap. I think they should have recognized the potential problem of gas prices, and focused on that. Surely it can't be more expensive to build a small sized car than to build a large truck. Not to mention a lot of these American made cars simply have no...I dunno how to say it. They just focus on how to get money out of the cars instead of making quality cars.

If you take a look at Toyota's and Honda's, those cars last forever. They've got decent interiors, and the engines will last for quite a long time. It's not something you see in American made cars anymore. Sometime in the past 20 years they threw quality out the window.

[silenthill22]

It's all Obama's fault isn't it. I guess everybody suddenly forgot Bush existed this last 8 years. I don't blame you.

People like this blame it all on the guy trying to fix someone else's mess. What about the guys that made the fucking mess?

I'm sick of this bitching. Politics turns grown ass men into women.

[footballbat]

It's all the Republicrats and Democans fault.

We won't be able to actually blame Obama for anything for at six months. By then, it will be too late to do anything about it. The only thing we can do is wait for the next election cycle so that perhaps Congress can become a check and balance on the Executive Branch, instead of a rubber stamp committee.

[JACKASS2010]

i blame those fucking scientologists.

[footballbat]

i blame those fucking scientologists.


I forgot them. I wonder if they're working in conjunction with teh NIGGER JEWS!!11!1!1!

[JACKASS2010]

don't you know the jews did 9/11?!?!?!?!

ZOMFG CONSPIRACY!!!!!!

[Raidenator]

So what happened to this Breaker guy? Did he cop out and give up? I don't blame him. He got burned like my chicken.

[Big Ozzie]

http://i251.photobucket.com/albums/gg320/ariz1323/ObamaSayzNothin.jpg

[Big Ozzie]

http://pictures.howbits.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-phone-calll.jpg

[JACKASS2010]

and look!!! A WHITE MAN ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES!!! THAT FUCKING OPPRESSOR!!!TRYIN TO KEEP A WHITE MAN DOWN!!!!


lewl

[sib]

I am not worried about the deficit. It is big enough to take care of itself. Deficit embracer Ronald Reagan.

[tgd_02]

and look!!! A WHITE MAN ON HIS HANDS AND KNEES!!! THAT FUCKING OPPRESSOR!!!TRYIN TO KEEP A WHITE MAN DOWN!!!!


lewl
as it fucking should be



:D

[Tilly]

In my opinion, the American motors have no excuse for being as terrible as they are right now. They really could do with taking a few notes from the foreign makers. I simply can't begin to understand what these executives are thinking.

"Gas prices are going up! LET'S CREATE ANOTHER TRUCK!!!"

"WE'RE BANKRUPT! GIVE US MONEY SO WE CAN BUY BETTER JETS AND LAY OFF MORE EMPLOYEES!"

Seriously, do these people not think at all? The only cars/companies I can see sticking it around are, Jeep, Corvettes... and MAYBE Chrysler. Just maybe. Other than that, the companies are going down the crapper. GM especially.

I think I read somewhere that even though gas prices were going up, trucks were still in higher demand than cars. From a business standpoint, making more trucks seem to carry the least amount of risk. I could be wrong, though. :shrug:

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breaker still hasn't replied?

[ceehound619]

... and MAYBE Chrysler. .
I guess u r 2 young to remember that we bailed out chrysler once already.....they aint no better then any of the others.

[JooX]

I guess u r 2 young to remember that we bailed out chrysler once every five years.....they aint no better then any of the others.

Fixed :thumb:

[ceehound619]

Fixed :thumb:
I, appreciate the claificationz

I, will strive to better my accuracy here

I, am ceehound

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G.M. to Cut 10,000 Salaried Workers

DETROIT — General Motors, which must submit a satisfactory restructuring plan to the government next week to keep billions of dollars in loans, said Tuesday that it would lay off 10,000 salaried workers worldwide this year and reduce pay for those who remain by as much as 10 percent.

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The announcement comes a week after G.M. extended more buyout and early retirement offers to its hourly work force and three months after it shed 5,100 salaried jobs, also through buyouts.

This time, however, the cuts are being made through layoffs rather than voluntary programs because the government loan terms prevent G.M. from using money from its overfunded pension fund to pay for buyout packages, as it has previously.


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/business/11auto.html?hp

[ceehound619]

Hound that is of Cee, your way of speaking is familiar to me, have I seen it somewhere else ? They say imitation is the highest form of flattery, but I do not feel flat at all.

Keep a keen eye on that X that is of Joo, he is just like all of the other Joo's in power. Especially the NaggerJoo's who were behind the attack on 910.768, just prior to 911. Don't take your eyes off of that shifty comedian for even a split second, he will steal your password while raping your baby momma in your own house. He is pure eveil, hidden behind a lase facade of sprinkles or wutev's

I, am a regulator

I, am mounting up

I, am Margerinez
FUCKIN LULZGRANDEZ!!!!....*you have given out 2 much rep in the last 24 hours*

[MontysDouble]

breaker still hasn't replied?
Probably the Failbus is stuck in traffic.

http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q258/SlevinKalevera/ATT49808587.jpg

[Raidenator]

G.M. to Cut 10,000 Salaried Workers



http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/11/business/11auto.html?hp

I heard about that. You know what I'm betting? I'm betting that they lay off all those people, cut the pay of the remaining blue collars, and the executives take a meager 10k a year paycut out of their 250k a year pay.

I don't these executives have the right to beg for more money until they start cutting THEIR own pay. I don't think it's too much to ask. Yeah, they're gonna have to make some sacrifices. But you know what I say? It's that or your eventual failing company. Take your pick.

[Raidenator]

I guess u r 2 young to remember that we bailed out chrysler once already.....they aint no better then any of the others.

Well, emphasis on the maybe.

I know they've been on the stupid end of business decisions too, but at least they make some half decent cars. At the very least, their Chrysler 300 seems to sell quite a bit. But that can only carry them so far. Plus I'm sure they're putting so much into wasteful spending that it probably won't matter.

[footballbat]

The Hell with Our Constitution
By Walter E. Williams
Columns icon

* Wednesday, 11 February 2009

Dr. Robert Higgs, senior fellow at the Oakland-based Independent Institute, penned an article in The Christian Science Monitor (2/9/2009) that suggests the most intelligent recommendation that I've read to fix our current economic mess. The title of his article gives his recommendation away: "Instead of stimulus, do nothing -- seriously."

Stimulus package debate is over how much money should be spent, whether some should given to the National Endowment for the Arts, research sexually transmitted diseases or bail out Amtrak, our failing railroad system. Dr. Higgs says, "Hardly anyone, however, is asking the most important question: Should the federal government be doing any of this?" He adds, "Until the 1930s, the Constitution served as a major constraint on federal economic interventionism. The government's powers were understood to be just as the framers intended: few and explicitly enumerated in our founding document and its amendments. Search the Constitution as long as you like, and you will find no specific authority conveyed for the government to spend money on global-warming research, urban mass transit, food stamps, unemployment insurance, Medicaid, or countless other items in the stimulus package and, even without it, in the regular federal budget."

By bringing up the idea of constitutional restraints on Washington, I'd say Dr. Higgs is whistling Dixie. Americans have long ago abandoned respect for the constitutional limitations placed on the federal government. Our elected representatives represent that disrespect. After all I'd ask Higgs: Isn't it unreasonable to expect a politician to do what he considers to be political suicide, namely conduct himself according to the letter and spirit of the Constitution?

While Americans, through ignorance or purpose, show contempt for our Constitution, I doubt whether they are indifferent between a growing or stagnating economy. Dr. Higgs tells us some of the economic history of the U.S. In 1893, there was a depression; we got out of it without a stimulus package. There was a major recession of 1920-21; though sharp, it quickly reversed itself into what has been call the "Roaring Twenties." In 1929, there was an economic downturn, most notably featured by the stock market collapse, after which came massive government intervention -- you might call it the nation's first stimulus package. President Hoover and Congress responded to what might have been a two- or three-year sharp downturn with many of the policies President Obama and Congress are urging today. They raised tariffs, propped up wage rates, bailed out farmers, banks and other businesses, and financed state relief efforts. When Roosevelt came to office, he became even more interventionist than Hoover and presided over protracted depression where the economy didn't fully recover until 1946.

Roosevelt didn't have an easy time with his agenda; he had to first emasculate the U.S. Supreme Court. Higgs points out that federal courts had respect for the Constitution as late as the 1930s. They issued some 1,600 injunctions to restrain officials from carrying out acts of Congress. The U.S. Supreme Court overturned as unconstitutional the New Deal's centerpieces such as the National Industrial Recovery Act and the Agricultural Adjustment Act and other parts of Roosevelt's "stimulus package." An outraged Roosevelt threatened to pack the Court, and the Court capitulated to where it is today giving Congress virtually unlimited powers to tax, spend and regulate. My question to my fellow Americans is: Do we want a repeat of measures that failed dismally during the 1930s?

A more fundamental question is: Should Washington be guided by the Constitution? In explaining the Constitution, James Madison, the acknowledged father of the Constitution, wrote in Federalist Paper 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce." Has the Constitution been amended to permit Congress to tax, spend and regulate as it pleases or have Americans said, "To hell with the Constitution"?

COPYRIGHT 2009 CREATORS SYNDICATE, INC.

The US Constitution (http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html) if you'd like to point out any fallacies.

[ceehound619]

that constitution has been shit on so many times I've see cleaner used toilet paper.... end topic.

[footballbat]

No one has ever wiped their ass with my copy.

There are still people out there who believe what the Constitution says, and a few of them are politicians.

[ceehound619]

No one has ever wiped their ass with my copy.

politicians.
they did^^^

[footballbat]

they did^^^

Like I said, there are a few politicians who give it the respect it deserves. Unfortunately, they are marginalized by the MSM.

The people who I hold responsible for it's degradation, are the morons that let others tell them what it means, because they are either too lazy too read it, or too ignorant to understand it.

[disisj0e]

damn he spending too much money... here's an idea why not give all tax paying americans all the stimulus money to pay off all they debt they have this way all the banks and whoever get back all the money they lost rather then handing billions straight to the company. We're gona be worse in the long run if he keeps handing out money.

sigh... still can't believe he is president.

[ceehound619]

. here's an idea why not give all tax paying americans all the stimulus money to pay off all they debt they have
because the government wants us broke.

[BillZBubb]

Man... think about the sheer amounts of money they are spending. It is fuckin unreal. Ya all know what happened in Germany as a result of overwhelming national debt, don't ya? They started printing more money which, while it allowed them to pay the debt with cheap currency, it put the value of the mark in the toilet. People were often paid twice a day, and when ya got paid ya went and bought food RIGHT THEN, because a few hours later when ya got off work, it would be worth 30% less. People burned bundles of money to warm their homes. They used it for wallpaper and even for toilet paper. It literally was not worth the value of the paper it was printed on. I have an Ein Hundert Millinen Deutschemark (not sure of spelling, doin it from memory) bill from something like 1920's. That is One Hundred Million German Marks. Worthless today obviously since there have been new governments since, but worthless then too. People carried a wheel barrow full of them to buy bread. So many of them were printed it is not even worth anything as a collectors item. My number one suggestion is if you have liquid capital... put it into silver and gold.. I already have, and it has turned out to be a good investment already (I bought mine 4 yrs ago, but it is still not too late.. it will continue to rise, you watch).

It was chaos that resulted from such pressures that aided in the rise of Hitler. When times are hard enough, just as a drowning man will grasp a straw, people will cling to any strong leader who promises "change". Tyrrany will come amidst grand applause and celebration.