Who knows guns?

[Locklear]

So I've decided I'm getting a handgun, though can't make up my mind. here are the ones I was looking at. So far I'm leaning towards the Stoeger. I was looking at the Hi Point c9 9mm, but I heard Hi Points are raging pieces of shit.

I'm going out tomorrow to go gun shop hopping to see what other shops have.

If you're one of those anti-gun assholes, please do not reply with some stupid bullshit. Thanks.

Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm
http://samplebytes.com/guns/cougar2.jpg

Bersa Thunder 380
http://www.christiangunowner.com/images/bersa380.jpg

Rossi R46102 .357
http://tristatefirearms.com/handgun/Images/2.jpg

Charter Arms 73811 .38
http://www.impactguns.com/store/media/charter/charter_38051.jpg

[Locklear]

This is the Hi Point C9, as you can tell, it's a cheap piece of junk.

http://i17.tinypic.com/6x7ww8y.jpg

[DC Thug]

never shot one before

my S&W Sigma 9 works just fine

had some stovepiping issues when i first got it. a few hundred rounds later? smooth as a baby's butt

[DC Thug]

plus you have all sorts of calibers listed. what do you want the gun for? going to get a conceal carry?

[Locklear]

never shot one before

my S&W Sigma 9 works just fine

had some stovepiping issues when i first got it. a few hundred rounds later? smooth as a baby's butt

Yeah, heard that handguns tends to have some issues firing during the breaking in phase. I'm leaning towards getting a used gun to avoid the firing issues, and because buying a used gun can get you $100-$250 off.

plus you have all sorts of calibers listed. what do you want the gun for? going to get a conceal carry?

Concealed carry mostly. Leaning towards the 9mm as I said. Took a look at that baby today at the shop, it's in great condition and it fits in the hand like a glove.

[ceehound619]

aint got a job....but buyin a gun......nice to see a guy with priorities. :rolleyes2:

[jaba]

If you're one of those anti-gun assholes, please do not reply with some stupid bullshit. Thanks.I'll send you a Stetson and a pair of spurs to help the image make-over. :thumb:

[Locklear]

aint got a job....but buyin a gun......nice to see a guy with priorities. :rolleyes2:

fuckin' right.

New Hampshire is the best state in the fucking country. We take the motto "Live Free or Die" seriously. You can buy a hand gun no problem. The background check takes 2 mins,

I'll send you a Stetson and a pair of spurs to help the image make-over. :thumb:

wut

[JooX]

I would have suggested something that would explode and take out your eye... but this is handguns we are talking about, and that makes it ok for me to be serious.


Glock G23 40 S&W Compact @ (http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product41.html)

Glock G19 9mm Compact @ (http://www.the-armory.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/product39.html)

Browning FNP-9 @ (http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg129-e.htm)

Look, read, consider.
Check other sites or google those ones for a fuller review from varied sources.
For what you are looking for I'd say these three are your best first buy.
(Just dont be some fucking wanker with one when/if you do buy)

[rubicks]

I'll send you a Stetson and a pair of spurs to help the image make-over. :thumb:
hi -ho Silver ,Awaaaaaaaaay

[Raidenator]

Glock. That's all you need to know.

I've had mine for years, not a single problem.

[JooX]

Glock. That's all you need to know.

I've had mine for years, not a single problem.

:thumb:
Listen to this man... he seems less retarded than he his wise.




I said 'SEEMS' :p

[footballbat]

The Glock is pretty much idiot proof. Read what this guy did to his (http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item).

As far as the Hi Point, cheap does not necessarily mean junk.

Taurus also makes really good, affordable, handguns with a lifetime warranty. A friend of mine had a Taurus .38 Special, and he was target practicing with re-loads. One of the rounds was a .357. When he fired that one, it blew out the barrel. He sent it back to Taurus, and they sent him a brand new gun, free.

My personal suggestion would be to get a .357 Magnum. It's got plenty of stopping power, and you can fire less expensive .38 rounds for target practice.

[DC Thug]

i agree with fbb on the taurus models

the brazilians surprisingly make a good gun

if you're going for the conceal carry, i would recommend the PT 111. it's a 9mm, subcompact.

.357 is a bit big to tuck into a waistband holster. avoid revolvers for the same reason.

[mousewallrat]

Personally, I'd stay away from the 9mm for a man killer...but if it's just for plinking, then I would get one. It's just too small to me. I shoot .357, .44mag, and my everyday gun is a .40 Smith & Wesson. That's basically an upsized 9mm, and was the one I had pointed at that dudes head. Depending on whether you want a home security piece or an inventment gun, you would get different advice. I'd avoid the Glock...overrated, overpriced, IMHO. I would even buy a Taurus from Brazil. They have improved a lot, and look good. Check their warranty now...lifetime, if I'm not mistaken.

[mousewallrat]

The Glock is pretty much idiot proof. Read what this guy did to his (http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item).

As far as the Hi Point, cheap does not necessarily mean junk.

Taurus also makes really good, affordable, handguns with a lifetime warranty. A friend of mine had a Taurus .38 Special, and he was target practicing with re-loads. One of the rounds was a .357. When he fired that one, it blew out the barrel. He sent it back to Taurus, and they sent him a brand new gun, free.

My personal suggestion would be to get a .357 Magnum. It's got plenty of stopping power, and you can fire less expensive .38 rounds for target practice.
I missed FBB saying this, but he's 100% correct. That makes for a very versitile pistol.

[DC Thug]

but like i said, it's not practical for conceal carry. there are smaller semiautos that will do the job, and 9mm is a decent round that will leave a decent hole in whatever you shoot.

[Big Ozzie]

May I suggest that you buy one of These...
http://www.theodoresworld.net/pics/0608/backwardgImage1.jpg

Fire it one time and you will be pleasantly Surprised!

[Tilly]

The Glock is pretty much idiot proof. Read what this guy did to his (http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90&Item).

That's neat and all, but in all honesty, if someone buys a Glock for that reason, then they're fucking retarded and shouldn't be buying a gun to begin with. So it can be raped up the ass with a sawtoothed crowbar? How about you instead take care of your fucking weapon so it doesn't get in that kind of condition to begin with? Instead, buy a gun for how you want it to perform when at least taking some sort of care with it.

In my personal opinion, fuck handguns. They're lame. If I buy a gun, I'm buying a rifle instead. I want to get this one, but it's not legal in the US...dunno why, they have a civilian semi-auto only version and everything. It's legal in Canada, though. :shrug:

http://www.famous-guns.com/wp-content/uploads/tavor-titel.jpg

[sib]

Imo, if you truly want a carry gun, you'll want a reliable one. I think you better up your budget and stick with proven names, since if you are ever forced to use the iron you be placing your life in it's hands. My preference is Beretta, second choice Kimber. Glocks are reliable, but I find them fugly. Also, be aware there has been a big run on guns and ammo since Obama was elected, you'll be looking at jhp ammo for personal defense and you'll have a hard time finding it now in 9mm. I was in the shop last week and there was almost no 9mm stuff, .380 is near impossible to find right now, but I was able to pick up my .40 S&W in jhp for my Beretta 96. Mine is full frame, I don't carry, just have it for home defense, I also gave my wife a Beretta Neos for when I'm away from the house, just a .22, but she knows to keep pulling the trigger until the perp drops, she has a red dot scope on it. Neither of these have ever misfired and thousands of rounds have passed through them. Beretta 92 is the standard issue M9 that replaced the 1911 in the 80s for military sidearms. Same as my 96, but shoots 9mm.

Btw, the easiest way for a semi auto to fail is lack of back pressure from your hand. A rigid hold insures proper cycling, while a limp wrist leads to "stove piping."

One big reason I prefer Berettas is they can be stripped down for cleaning so easily, I clean them up after each time to the range.

http://gundirectory.s3.amazonaws.com/guns/20017-1.jpg

[Nanabunga]

Imo, if you truly want a carry gun, you'll want a reliable one. I think you better up your budget and stick with proven names, since if you are ever forced to use the iron you be placing your life in it's hands. My preference is Beretta, second choice Kimber.

Word, I am very happy with my Beretta

Glocks are reliable, but I find them fugly.

I also don't like how Glocks feel in my hand, cheesy, toy like... at least the one I held and shot...

I dunno whatev's

while a limp wrist leads to "stove piping."

and anal sex and gay bars.

:omg:

[footballbat]

That's neat and all, but in all honesty, if someone buys a Glock for that reason, then they're fucking retarded and shouldn't be buying a gun to begin with. So it can be raped up the ass with a sawtoothed crowbar? How about you instead take care of your fucking weapon so it doesn't get in that kind of condition to begin with? Instead, buy a gun for how you want it to perform when at least taking some sort of care with it.

The whole point was to show how well the Glock performs in extreme conditions. There's almost no chance of it jamming in a situation when you need it to work.

In my personal opinion, fuck handguns. They're lame. If I buy a gun, I'm buying a rifle instead. I want to get this one, but it's not legal in the US...dunno why, they have a civilian semi-auto only version and everything. It's legal in Canada, though. :shrug:

http://www.famous-guns.com/wp-content/uploads/tavor-titel.jpg

It's kind of hard to conceal a rifle.

[Tilly]

The whole point was to show how well the Glock performs in extreme conditions. There's almost no chance of it jamming in a situation when you need it to work.

If you take care of your weapon, you shouldn't have to worry about that anyway.

It's kind of hard to conceal a rifle.

Then don't conceal anything. Here's a neat idea: don't go places where you would want to conceal a weapon. The only time you should have a concealed weapon is if you have a job that might put you in harm's way.

Seriously, what the fuck is lock gonna do carrying around a concealed weapon?

[footballbat]

If you take care of your weapon, you shouldn't have to worry about that anyway.

I know this. My personal preference for a semi-auto is the 1911. I know that if it gets covered in blood, and then dropped in mud, there's a strong possibility that it will jam, or misfire. The Glock, it seems, would have no problem with this.

Then don't conceal anything. Here's a neat idea: don't go places where you would want to conceal a weapon. The only time you should have a concealed weapon is if you have a job that might put you in harm's way.

Walking out the door, in some places, puts you in harms way.

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/graphics/crime_zone.gif

Seriously, what the fuck is lock gonna do carrying around a concealed weapon?

:shrug:

[Tilly]

I know this. My personal preference for a semi-auto is the 1911. I know that if it gets covered in blood, and then dropped in mud, there's a strong possibility that it will jam, or misfire. The Glock, it seems, would have no problem with this.

A strong possibility? I guess if the chamber is wide open for some reason and you decide to stomp the gun into the mud or stir it around, you'd have a strong possibility. I just don't see why you would get shit inside the gun to begin with. In all the times I used the M-16, which is widely criticized for jamming, it only actually misfired once or twice. I even dropped it a few times in the mud before on the range and it fired fine. Like I said, there's no reason mud should get inside the guts of the weapon.

Walking out the door, in some places, puts you in harms way.

http://www.the-eggman.com/writings/graphics/crime_zone.gif

Yeah, I guess you have a point there, except with the picture. I say that because if someone invades your home, you won't need to conceal shit. That's why people have shotguns, though a bullpup rifle would be the shit as well in that situation.

As for leaving your home, yeah you have a point. Even then, though, violence infested neighborhoods are not romanticized shoot-em-up free-for-alls like movies portray them to be. You can still not associate yourself with any gangs or shit and avoid harm altogether, though I can see why someone would like to have a concealed weapon anyway.

:shrug:

Yeah, I heard in the ghettos of New Hampshire, you gotta represent with yo gat, yo.

[DC Thug]

just think of it as insurance. better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

plus, ppl act the fool everywhere. NH, AL, or wherever, ppl be crazy. Might catch a bullet by random, but if some punks be strolling up on you with force, you have a defense in the law to meet deadly force with deadly force.

[mousewallrat]

just think of it as insurance.better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

plus, ppl act the fool everywhere. NH, AL, or wherever, ppl be crazy. Might catch a bullet by random, but if some punks be strolling up on you with force, you have a defense in the law to meet deadly force with deadly force.
True, true....noone that ever got robbed went out the door planning on that happening to then that day. If Lock is getting this gun to CC, then I'd also advise the 9mm. Wither that or one of the new 5 shot synthetic framed revolvers (forget who makes them). Those are so small you could easily hide it in your hand, and are .357. But they're worthless for anything but a concealed carry piece.

[footballbat]

A strong possibility? I guess if the chamber is wide open for some reason and you decide to stomp the gun into the mud or stir it around, you'd have a strong possibility. I just don't see why you would get shit inside the gun to begin with. In all the times I used the M-16, which is widely criticized for jamming, it only actually misfired once or twice. I even dropped it a few times in the mud before on the range and it fired fine. Like I said, there's no reason mud should get inside the guts of the weapon.

Maybe strong was too strong of a word, but, the possibility exists.

If you empty the mag, and get shot in your firing hand, and the pistol falls in the mud puddle you're standing in, you might get mud in the weapon.


Yeah, I guess you have a point there, except with the picture. I say that because if someone invades your home, you won't need to conceal shit. That's why people have shotguns, though a bullpup rifle would be the shit as well in that situation.

The pic has nothing to do with home invasions. Most home invasions, btw, are committed because the invaders are trying to get the ten kilos of coke (or w.e.) that are stashed in the house.

As far as home protection goes, the Mossberg 500, loaded with 7.5 shot, is perfect. If you shoot at somebody with 00, or #1, buck, and miss, you're going to have a large hole in your wall to fix. Bird shot only requires spackle.


As for leaving your home, yeah you have a point. Even then, though, violence infested neighborhoods are not romanticized shoot-em-up free-for-alls like movies portray them to be. You can still not associate yourself with any gangs or shit and avoid harm altogether, though I can see why someone would like to have a concealed weapon anyway.

You don't have to go to the ghetto to find gun violence. There are psychos, with absolutely no gang affiliation, willing to walk into shopping malls, and start random firing at people.

[Tilly]

Maybe strong was too strong of a word, but, the possibility exists.

If you empty the mag, and get shot in your firing hand, and the pistol falls in the mud puddle you're standing in, you might get mud in the weapon.

If it comes to emptying the entire magazine and you're still getting shot at, I think you fucked up. Don't get me wrong, the whole not-jamming ruggedness of the Glock is cool and all, but if it really came to such a situation that you described, I'd rather that I would have made my buying decision based on accuracy, power, comfort, etc so that I know that if I know I will get the desired effect from delivering the rounds.

The pic has nothing to do with home invasions. Most home invasions, btw, are committed because the invaders are trying to get the ten kilos of coke (or w.e.) that are stashed in the house.

Well the pic does say "defense free crime zone" and "law abiding patrons have been disarmed" leading to suggest that guns have been removed completely. Then again, I guess the word "patrons" would put it in a different light since patrons are people who are customers or paying guests...which would lead me to wonder...what store or establishment would require the patrons to be armed? If violence is an issue, the clerk would probably have something, but why patrons? I guess that would make sense then in a hotel, motel, or inn. However, in those establishments, concealment wouldn't be needed anyway. Now you got me wondering where the hell a sign like that would be applicable.

You don't have to go to the ghetto to find gun violence. There are psychos, with absolutely no gang affiliation, willing to walk into shopping malls, and start random firing at people.

Sounds a little paranoid to me, taking a gun everywhere for the offset chance some random psycho would go on a shooting spree. That's like if you decided to wear a helmet at all times for the chance you might slip and fall on your head. I think you'd probably have a better chance at getting struck by lightning than having a random psycho start shooting the place up.

[footballbat]

If it comes to emptying the entire magazine and you're still getting shot at, I think you fucked up. Don't get me wrong, the whole not-jamming ruggedness of the Glock is cool and all, but if it really came to such a situation that you described, I'd rather that I would have made my buying decision based on accuracy, power, comfort, etc so that I know that if I know I will get the desired effect from delivering the rounds.

I'm not going to debate the intricacies of gun battle. I will, however, say that all the training in the world won't cover every situation.

That being said, the Glock is an accurate, and powerful, combat-tested weapon.


Well the pic does say "defense free crime zone" and "law abiding patrons have been disarmed" leading to suggest that guns have been removed completely. Then again, I guess the word "patrons" would put it in a different light since patrons are people who are customers or paying guests...which would lead me to wonder...what store or establishment would require the patrons to be armed? If violence is an issue, the clerk would probably have something, but why patrons? I guess that would make sense then in a hotel, motel, or inn. However, in those establishments, concealment wouldn't be needed anyway. Now you got me wondering where the hell a sign like that would be applicable.


That sign is applicable nowhere. It's a parody of this sign.http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/484226390_08e02cdbd9.jpg?v=0

Criminals don't give a damn about the laws prohibiting them from committing crimes, why would they care about a sign telling them they have to leave the weapon they're illegally carrying back in their car?

Sounds a little paranoid to me, taking a gun everywhere for the offset chance some random psycho would go on a shooting spree. That's like if you decided to wear a helmet at all times for the chance you might slip and fall on your head. I think you'd probably have a better chance at getting struck by lightning than having a random psycho start shooting the place up.

As DC Thug said, "it's better to have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not have it."

If some psycho walks into a place where you are, and starts randomly shooting, who would you rather have standing next to you? The Dalai Lama, or me?

[Tilly]

That sign is applicable nowhere. It's a parody of this sign.http://farm1.static.flickr.com/228/484226390_08e02cdbd9.jpg?v=0

Criminals don't give a damn about the laws prohibiting them from committing crimes, why would they care about a sign telling them they have to leave the weapon they're illegally carrying back in their car?

If gun-toting vigilante patrons are the solution to keep places from getting robbed and/or shot up, then why do banks and post offices in all their infinite wisdom not allow weapons inside? Maybe they know that you don't want hostage situations turning into the wild west. Instead, you get the police.

As DC Thug said, "it's better to have it, and not need it, than to need it, and not have it."

If some psycho walks into a place where you are, and starts randomly shooting, who would you rather have standing next to you? The Dalai Lama, or me?

By that logic, like I said, you should be wearing a helmet everywhere you go. The chances of you hitting your head and dying are far worse, so you should take those extra precautions. Better to wear a helmet and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

[PlaneswalkerX]

There is nothing funnier than watching a bunch of nerds talking about guns.

Lock, you should start off carrying a stick or something, then maybe work your way up to knives, never a handgun for you though.

[PlaneswalkerX]

is that why you decided to chime in?

HIYOOOOO!
http://adventconspiracy.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/johnnycarson3.jpg

lol..

Johnny Carson is burning in hell right now. That old piece of shit.

[footballbat]

If gun-toting vigilante patrons are the solution to keep places from getting robbed and/or shot up, then why do banks and post offices in all their infinite wisdom not allow weapons inside? Maybe they know that you don't want hostage situations turning into the wild west. Instead, you get the police.

You're right. 911 beats .357 every t... wait... no, it doesn't.

Bank robberies are generally committed by a single person handing the teller a note. The "ALRIGHT!! NOBODY MOVE!! THIS IS A ROBBERY!!" happens only in movies, and involve more than one person. Post offices hardly ever get robbed nowadays.

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the psycho who wants to just kill as many people as possible, before shooting himself in the head. How are the police going to stop that? With their fast response time?


By that logic, like I said, you should be wearing a helmet everywhere you go. The chances of you hitting your head and dying are far worse, so you should take those extra precautions. Better to wear a helmet and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

Fine, then. You wear your helmet, and I'll carry my pistol.

[PlaneswalkerX]

The pic has nothing to do with home invasions. Most home invasions, btw, are committed because the invaders are trying to get the ten kilos of coke (or w.e.) that are stashed in the house.

Bank robberies are generally committed by a single person handing the teller a note. The "ALRIGHT!! NOBODY MOVE!! THIS IS A ROBBERY!!" happens only in movies, and involve more than one person. Post offices hardly ever get robbed nowadays.

I love these facts that you're pulling out of your ass.

You don't have to go to the ghetto to find gun violence. There are psychos, with absolutely no gang affiliation, willing to walk into shopping malls, and start random firing at people.

Yeah, that's true. They shoot up schools as well. Is arming everyone the solution? You're right, let's give everyone a gun so that when the psychos start shooting, we can protect ourselves. I'm sure everyone will only use their guns in an emergency pyscho situation and not when someone cuts them off on the freeway.

[footballbat]

...
An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein

[PlaneswalkerX]

...

Yeah, everyone knows the Wild West was a polite society. :omg:

Anyway, I wasn't trying to debate you, only point out that your supposed facts were not facts at all.

[footballbat]

The Wild West you see in the movies has little to do with reality. That's beside the point.

Also, when you point out that someone is wrong, it's better to have an actual argument, instead of just a contradictory statement.

[PlaneswalkerX]

The Wild West you see in the movies has little to do with reality. That's beside the point.

Also, when you point out that someone is wrong, it's better to have an actual argument, instead of just a contradictory statement.

I'm not talking about the Wild West I see in the movies, I'm talking about the actual Wild West. And I would argue the facts with you, if I gave a shit that is. It's like arguing politics, it's pointless.

[JACKASS2010]

I WOULD FUCKING LOVE TO GO POSTAL IN SUBURBIA WITH ONE OF THESE MOTHERFUCKYEA!!!!!

http://www.weaponryonline.com/images/pictures/gunpics/minigun_2.jpg

[Tilly]

You're right. 911 beats .357 every t... wait... no, it doesn't.

Bank robberies are generally committed by a single person handing the teller a note. The "ALRIGHT!! NOBODY MOVE!! THIS IS A ROBBERY!!" happens only in movies, and involve more than one person. Post offices hardly ever get robbed nowadays.

Really? It's not like in movies? Well that changes everything! That proves that the police aren't equipped and capable of handling such a situation...right?

I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the psycho who wants to just kill as many people as possible, before shooting himself in the head. How are the police going to stop that? With their fast response time?

Then don't reference pictures of weapons being prohibited in establishments. Furthermore, how are you going to stop that? Fire, miss, then rile the psycho up even more? You were just talking about wanting the reliability in a gun to empty entire magazines in a gunfight, dropping it in mud, then slamming another magazine before finishing.

Furthermore, that's not going to happen anyway. Instead, you'd just be carrying a gun around like it makes your dick bigger everywhere you go.

Fine, then. You wear your helmet, and I'll carry my pistol.

Incorrect, you have just missed the point entirely. I was attacking your logic, not implying what I would do instead. YOU are the paranoid one, hence by your own logic, YOU are supposed to wear the helmet.

[Locklear]

I think it's always annoying when you got some christian pacifist bitch talking about how guns are evil and people shouldn't be able to carry them. I guarantee that the day someone carrying a pistol saves her ass from robbers / murderers / rapists, she'll be singing a different tune.

Ath, when you're walking down the street alone at night, and a group of assholes follow you into an alleyway to beat your ass just for fun, and rob you.... you can have fun being the victim.

In a situation like that, you wouldn't even need to shoot them. Just pull it out and scare the shit out of them... Have them pissing their pants and crying like little girls.

I always love seeing signs that say "No Guns" on the outside of a convenience store, bank, etc. The only place you can NOT bring a loaded gun is federal buildings like a courthouse, post office, etc.

I love the gun laws in NH. You have to be 18 to buy a rifle, and 21 to buy a handgun. You can own and carry a handgun at 18 though. You can carry a handgun without a CCW permit if it's an "open carry" (in a holster in plain view for all to see). You don't even need a pistol license to own one, and you don't have to register your guns.

[Tilly]

Ath, when you're walking down the street alone at night, and a group of assholes follow you into an alleyway to beat your ass just for fun, and rob you.... you can have fun being the victim.

lol, why walk down that street, then? Walk down a street where you won't have groups of assholes jumping you.

[Tilly]

dude.. NH is gangster as fuck yo

You got east side, west side, and new england side, G! Represent!

[silenthill22]

I like antique guns. I'd like to get a Civil War Springfield rifle and a Navy Colt Revolver.
http://i40.tinypic.com/15je9s.jpg
The dream gun would be a real MG-42 machine gun, that works. I seen a Navy Colt Revolver at an Army/Navy Surplus store about a year ago for $400. :smokin:

[sib]

I like antique guns. I'd like to get a Civil War Springfield rifle and a Navy Colt Revolver.
http://i40.tinypic.com/15je9s.jpg
The dream gun would be a real MG-42 machine gun, that works. I seen a Navy Colt Revolver at an Army/Navy Surplus store about a year ago for $400. :smokin:

I've got a 1860 confederate repro, fun to shoot, but black power and even the substitutes like pyrodex and triple 7 are pretty dirty and corrosive compared to smokeless powder. Have to clean them real good after use and packing each ball is a pain.

But it's hetro gun for sure, front loader and all. :banana_sml:

[Locklear]

lol, why walk down that street, then? Walk down a street where you won't have groups of assholes jumping you.

It must be nice where you live, since all the streets must have signs saying "Safe Street to Walk Down" and "Dangerous Street".

[evil ernie]

It must be nice where you live, since all the streets must have signs saying "Safe Street to Walk Down" and "Dangerous Street".

hahaha ....

... which actually raises an interesting point .... when you get hit ... you aren't going to be expecting it .... so how many of you have got the training to get your opponent off of you in order for you to draw your firearm .....?

... on the question of guns ... i'd say take into consideration the cost of the ammo .... you need to practice .... which means lots of rounds at the range ... a gun you can't shoot with is more of a danger to you to anyone else .....


*goes back to his beer*

[brownbearclan]

Just my personal opinion but hand guns usually = trouble.

I'll stick with my Ruger 10/22 rifle. :thumb:

[evil ernie]

Just my personal opinion but hand guns usually = trouble.

I'll stick with my Ruger 10/22 rifle. :thumb:

i bet you just hide that one in your crotch area ....

.... they never search the crotch ....

[Musicman58]

handguns are cool and all, but I find my lil knife more useful. sure I can't attack from long distances, but if I'm up close you're screwed. plus with a gun I would feel like I was committing a crime everywhere I went with it regardless if it was illegal or not. knives can fit in my pocket nicely without anyone ever knowing they're there. sure you need a permit for concealed, but as long as the pocket clip's showing it's not considered concealed in my state as far as I know.

[DC Thug]

am i strange to think that knives and guns are a very crude way to kill someone? it's no different to sticks and stones but on a larger, more powerful scale. all you are doing is puncturing the body, destroying organ function, and bleeding someone out.

where's mah disruptor pistols or molecular destabilizers? hell, even the lightsaber would be an elegant way to dispatch an enemy.

it's the fucking 21st century. goddamnit...

[DC Thug]

btw raid and bbc, i believe utah is also an open-carry state. stroll around with your gats slinging on your hips.

also silent, if the gun was manufactured before 1899, you don't have to register it with the ATF. pretty fucking cool huh?

[Locklear]

btw raid and bbc, i believe utah is also an open-carry state. stroll around with your gats slinging on your hips.

also silent, if the gun was manufactured before 1899, you don't have to register it with the ATF. pretty fucking cool huh?

In New Hampshire, you don't have to register any guns, except machine guns.

[ceehound619]

fuckin' right.

New Hampshire is the best state in the fucking country. We take the motto "Live Free or Die" seriously. You can buy a hand gun no problem. The background check takes 2 mins,



nigga I work for the marine corps......fuck a gun.... I'll call in an airstrike on ya whole block.

[footballbat]

Really? It's not like in movies? Well that changes everything! That proves that the police aren't equipped and capable of handling such a situation...right?

Completely missing the point.

Most bank robberies are quiet affairs, with the robber handing the teller a note demanding the money, with the implication of violence. In the rare instance that a group of robbers brandishing weapons bursts into a bank, it would be foolish to think even try to engage them in a firefight. By the time the cops show up, in either situation, the robbers are long gone.

Then don't reference pictures of weapons being prohibited in establishments.

Why not reference those ignorant signs? Once again you missed the mark entirely. All those signs do, is speak to the law abiding.

Furthermore, how are you going to stop that? Fire, miss, then rile the psycho up even more?

Who says I'd miss?

You were just talking about wanting the reliability in a gun to empty entire magazines in a gunfight, dropping it in mud, then slamming another magazine before finishing.

:rofl:

I was talking about how well the weapon would perform in an extreme situation, and describing a worst-case scenario.

Furthermore, that's not going to happen anyway. Instead, you'd just be carrying a gun around like it makes your dick bigger everywhere you go.

Why is it, every argument about guns involves this childish taunt?

Incorrect, you have just missed the point entirely. I was attacking your logic, not implying what I would do instead. YOU are the paranoid one, hence by your own logic, YOU are supposed to wear the helmet.

If I was that paranoid about it, I'd never leave my house. In fact, I wouldn't have the job I do, now. Weapons are verboten on the truck.

[Tilly]

Completely missing the point.

Most bank robberies are quiet affairs, with the robber handing the teller a note demanding the money, with the implication of violence. In the rare instance that a group of robbers brandishing weapons bursts into a bank, it would be foolish to think even try to engage them in a firefight. By the time the cops show up, in either situation, the robbers are long gone.

No, there is no point to be made. Who the hell cares how they do it? Guns are still not allowed in banks, and they do so for a reason. That part will not change.

Why not reference those ignorant signs? Once again you missed the mark entirely. All those signs do, is speak to the law abiding.

Because they're completely irrelevant. You brought up something that didn't belong in the argument to begin with, and that act deserves bashing.

Who says I'd miss?

Who says you'd hit? Who says you might not hit someone else instead by mistake? Who says you'd even be able to get a shot off before the fucker grabs a hostage and the situation escalates even more? Then it's their blood on your hands.

Once again, though, that's so irrelevant anyway because that's never going to happen. You'll turn into a decrepit old man thinking that carrying around your gun actually made a difference in your life.

:rofl:

I was talking about how well the weapon would perform in an extreme situation, and describing a worst-case scenario.

Right, because the worst-case scenario involves you being a clumsy dumbass with your gun. In that case, I rather would have the Dalai Lama next to me than a wannabe cowboy.

Why is it, every argument about guns involves this childish taunt?

Because often times, feeling a need to carry a gun around compensates for insecurity. The taunt refers to the act of replacing testicular fortitude with a gun. You never saw that connection?

If I was that paranoid about it, I'd never leave my house. In fact, I wouldn't have the job I do, now. Weapons are verboten on the truck.

Then why are you paranoid so much about random psychos to snap when you have a greater chance of death coming to you in a different manner?

[Tilly]

It must be nice where you live, since all the streets must have signs saying "Safe Street to Walk Down" and "Dangerous Street".

Wow, if you must need a sign to say whether a street is dangerous, then...

...nevermind. There are so many ways to tear that argument apart, but I just do not have the motivation to.

[evil ernie]

Then don't conceal anything. Here's a neat idea: don't go places where you would want to conceal a weapon. The only time you should have a concealed weapon is if you have a job that might put you in harm's way.


you want to conceal your weapon so that a. you don't draw attention and b. if you're a target that the criminal doesn't go for your firearm ... or shoot you to avoid you grabbing your firearm ..... or even know that you have on because just the knowledge of it could escalate the situation .... what the fuck is your point about never concealing? what's the logic? keeping in mind it's for self defense .....

and extreme tests are necessary in order to know the limitation of the weapon .... for those who will use it in extreme conditions ..... and knowing it will fire under difficult conditions is a plus .... regardless of whether or not i'm actually going to drop it in mud ... maybe i didn't clean it ..... maybe we went hunting and took a side arm for when we aren't dragging around a rifle ... and sand and shit gets into it during the hunting trip .... who the fuck knows .... it happens .... it's not the kind of thing you fuck with .... i have a mate who's best friend tried to shoot two guys hi-jacking him .... the gun jammed ... he took two in the chest and died .... it's an important issue .... the fucking thing should fire under any conditions ....


As for leaving your home, yeah you have a point. Even then, though, violence infested neighborhoods are not romanticized shoot-em-up free-for-alls like movies portray them to be. You can still not associate yourself with any gangs or shit and avoid harm altogether, though I can see why someone would like to have a concealed weapon anyway.
.

lmao .... because like victims of crime belong to gangs ..... so i'll steer clear ... and avoid anyone introducing themselves are Mr. Gangster who's here to rob me ...

here you get shot driving into your house ... walking through the park ..... stopping at a traffic light .... so please ... for the love of god .... what the fuck are you even talking about?



Yeah, I guess you have a point there, except with the picture. I say that because if someone invades your home, you won't need to conceal shit. That's why people have shotguns, though a bullpup rifle would be the shit as well in that situation.


too difficult to get more than one firearm here ...... so that would depend on location ....

[Tilly]

you want to conceal your weapon so that a. you don't draw attention and b. if you're a target that the criminal doesn't go for your firearm ... or shoot you to avoid you grabbing your firearm ..... or even know that you have on because just the knowledge of it could escalate the situation .... what the fuck is your point about never concealing? what's the logic? keeping in mind it's for self defense .....

Don't go places where you would be a target. Billions of people do it the world over and still seem to be alive and breathing. In the case where the danger comes to you, escalating the situation only makes it worse anyway. That's how hostage situations are taught, and they're taught like that for a reason.

and extreme tests are necessary in order to know the limitation of the weapon .... for those who will use it in extreme conditions ..... and knowing it will fire under difficult conditions is a plus .... regardless of whether or not i'm actually going to drop it in mud ... maybe i didn't clean it ..... maybe we went hunting and took a side arm for when we aren't dragging around a rifle ... and sand and shit gets into it during the hunting trip .... who the fuck knows .... it happens .... it's not the kind of thing you fuck with .... i have a mate who's best friend tried to shoot two guys hi-jacking him .... the gun jammed ... he took two in the chest and died .... it's an important issue .... the fucking thing should fire under any conditions ....

Point made right there. Maybe you didn't clean it. Maybe you should clean it. Problem solved.

Sorry to say, but if your friend hadn't tried to pull out a gun, he might be alive today. Then again, I don't live in South Africa, so I wouldn't know how people generally think there.

lmao .... because like victims of crime belong to gangs ..... so i'll steer clear ... and avoid anyone introducing themselves are Mr. Gangster who's here to rob me ...

here you get shot driving into your house ... walking through the park ..... stopping at a traffic light .... so please ... for the love of god .... what the fuck are you even talking about?

Ok, next time I'm talking about what happens in South Africa and not America, I'll consult you. Until then, we're going to stick to the fact that gang violence exists in America. :rolleyes2:

· 100% of cities with population greater than or equal to 250,000 reported gang activity in 2001
· 85% of cities with population between 100,000 and 229,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 65% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 44% of cities with population between 25,000 and 49,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 20% of cities with population between 2,500 and 24,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 35% of suburban counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 11% of rural counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 95% of the jurisdictions reporting gang activity in 2001 had also reported gang activity in previous survey years 3,000 jurisdictions across the US are estimated to have had gang activity in 2001
· 56% of cities with population greater than or equal to 100,000 reported an increase or no significant change in the number of gang members in 2001
· 42% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gang members
· 45% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gangs from the previous two years
· 69% of cities with population at least 100,000 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 37% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 59% of all homicides in 2001 in Los Angeles and
· 53% in Chicago were gang related, there was a total of 698 gang related homicides in there two cities combined where as 130 other cities with population of at least 100,000 with gang problems reported having a total of 637 homicides between them

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, National Youth Gang Survey Trends from 1996 to 2000, by Arlen Egley, Jr. and Aline K. Major.

[sib]

Don't go places where you would be a target. Billions of people do it the world over and still seem to be alive and breathing. In the case where the danger comes to you, escalating the situation only makes it worse anyway. That's how hostage situations are taught, and they're taught like that for a reason.



Point made right there. Maybe you didn't clean it. Maybe you should clean it. Problem solved.

Sorry to say, but if your friend hadn't tried to pull out a gun, he might be alive today. Then again, I don't live in South Africa, so I wouldn't know how people generally think there.



Ok, next time I'm talking about what happens in South Africa and not America, I'll consult you. Until then, we're going to stick to the fact that gang violence exists in America. :rolleyes2:

· 100% of cities with population greater than or equal to 250,000 reported gang activity in 2001
· 85% of cities with population between 100,000 and 229,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 65% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 44% of cities with population between 25,000 and 49,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 20% of cities with population between 2,500 and 24,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 35% of suburban counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 11% of rural counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 95% of the jurisdictions reporting gang activity in 2001 had also reported gang activity in previous survey years 3,000 jurisdictions across the US are estimated to have had gang activity in 2001
· 56% of cities with population greater than or equal to 100,000 reported an increase or no significant change in the number of gang members in 2001
· 42% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gang members
· 45% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gangs from the previous two years
· 69% of cities with population at least 100,000 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 37% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 59% of all homicides in 2001 in Los Angeles and
· 53% in Chicago were gang related, there was a total of 698 gang related homicides in there two cities combined where as 130 other cities with population of at least 100,000 with gang problems reported having a total of 637 homicides between them

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, National Youth Gang Survey Trends from 1996 to 2000, by Arlen Egley, Jr. and Aline K. Major.

Given the economic times and the number of young men not working, these stats will show increases, imo.

Guns are a high value target among dirt bags, anyone with more than a couple firearms would be well served at getting a gun safe. Not a light tin one, but a fireproof safe with some weight to it. Mine is upwards of 550lbs with the payload in it.

[Willow]

Don't go places where you would be a target. Billions of people do it the world over and still seem to be alive and breathing. In the case where the danger comes to you, escalating the situation only makes it worse anyway. That's how hostage situations are taught, and they're taught like that for a reason.



Point made right there. Maybe you didn't clean it. Maybe you should clean it. Problem solved.

Sorry to say, but if your friend hadn't tried to pull out a gun, he might be alive today. Then again, I don't live in South Africa, so I wouldn't know how people generally think there.



Ok, next time I'm talking about what happens in South Africa and not America, I'll consult you. Until then, we're going to stick to the fact that gang violence exists in America. :rolleyes2:

· 100% of cities with population greater than or equal to 250,000 reported gang activity in 2001
· 85% of cities with population between 100,000 and 229,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 65% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 44% of cities with population between 25,000 and 49,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 20% of cities with population between 2,500 and 24,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 35% of suburban counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 11% of rural counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 95% of the jurisdictions reporting gang activity in 2001 had also reported gang activity in previous survey years 3,000 jurisdictions across the US are estimated to have had gang activity in 2001
· 56% of cities with population greater than or equal to 100,000 reported an increase or no significant change in the number of gang members in 2001
· 42% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gang members
· 45% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gangs from the previous two years
· 69% of cities with population at least 100,000 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 37% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 59% of all homicides in 2001 in Los Angeles and
· 53% in Chicago were gang related, there was a total of 698 gang related homicides in there two cities combined where as 130 other cities with population of at least 100,000 with gang problems reported having a total of 637 homicides between them

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, National Youth Gang Survey Trends from 1996 to 2000, by Arlen Egley, Jr. and Aline K. Major.
You're seriously quoting stats from eight years ago?? Couldn't you find anything more recent?

And for fucks sake, can't you let one convo go by without becoming supercilious? Really, we all accept that you know everything and you're always right Attila. /sarcasm

[Tilly]

You're seriously quoting stats from eight years ago?? Couldn't you find anything more recent?

Holy Christ, does it really matter? They show that gang violence exists in America, something that Ernie didn't realize.

And for fucks sake, can't you let one convo go by without becoming supercilious? Really, we all accept that you know everything and you're always right Attila. /sarcasm

It's not that I'm always right, it's that you're always wrong. Now go crawl back to your little hole and let me be supercereal.

[JooX]

LEWL


Willow has a point though, not on the stats thing...
You dont seem to have a tiny bit of room for a grey area here, in this debate, it's all; NAW BITCHES... I dont think like y'all n I am in da right... yo"

[Tilly]

Sorry, but arguments like "well what if I get shot in the hand, and then I slip on a banana peel during a solar eclipse and I get blinded and then the gun jams because it fell in a bucket of sulfuric acid?" aren't any sort of gray area for me.

[JooX]

Sorry, but arguments like "well what if I get shot in the hand, and then I slip on a banana peel during a solar eclipse and I get blinded and then the gun jams because it fell in a bucket of sulfuric acid?" aren't any sort of gray area for me.


DUDE!

WTF if that DOES happen to you?
You want to know if you can still barrell roll out through a window and fire off a full clip at someone.
The solar eclipse thing IS a grey area though...... Uh huh, totally went there.

[Tilly]

DUDE!

WTF if that DOES happen to you?
You want to know if you can still barrell roll out through a window and fire off a full clip at someone.
The solar eclipse thing IS a grey area though...... Uh huh, totally went there.

LOL!

http://prudz.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/do-a-barrel-roll.jpg

http://www.phoenix-attractions.com/Portals/33/Pics/barrel%20roll.jpg

[evil ernie]

Don't go places where you would be a target. Billions of people do it the world over and still seem to be alive and breathing. In the case where the danger comes to you, escalating the situation only makes it worse anyway. That's how hostage situations are taught, and they're taught like that for a reason.


once again ... i said people get shot driving in their cars ... dropping kids of at school ..... so how do i know where to avoid if you can be a target anywhere? think man ... think .....

and you shouldn't escalate ... you should deal with the situation ... so if you have a gun use it ... if you aren't prepared to use it .... don't pull it out ... or better yet don't even have it .....

your responses still do not make sense ...



Point made right there. Maybe you didn't clean it. Maybe you should clean it. Problem solved.

Sorry to say, but if your friend hadn't tried to pull out a gun, he might be alive today. Then again, I don't live in South Africa, so I wouldn't know how people generally think there.


he wasn't my friend .. he was my mate's friend .... and people get shot even when complying with the criminals .... sometimes they torture you just for kicks .... so you're saying he shouldn't have pulled the gun even though you know nothing of the situation .... so what? never react? be a pussy and victim your whole life? ..... thank you .... but no thanks ....

okay now i want you to read this closely ...

you said:


You can still not associate yourself with any gangs or shit and avoid harm altogether

please note i just quoted the important part to avoid you getting confused...

then i responded by saying:


lmao .... because like victims of crime belong to gangs ..... so i'll steer clear ... and avoid anyone introducing themselves are Mr. Gangster who's here to rob me ...

here you get shot driving into your house ... walking through the park ..... stopping at a traffic light .... so please ... for the love of god .... what the fuck are you even talking about?


and now you post stats that gangs exist in cities? please tell me this was a joke ... HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS RELATE TO ANYTHING I'VE SAID!? and if you're sitting there thinking this all makes sense ... then you should be on disability pay for a head injury ....


Ok, next time I'm talking about what happens in South Africa and not America, I'll consult you. Until then, we're going to stick to the fact that gang violence exists in America. :rolleyes2:

· 100% of cities with population greater than or equal to 250,000 reported gang activity in 2001
· 85% of cities with population between 100,000 and 229,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 65% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 44% of cities with population between 25,000 and 49,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 20% of cities with population between 2,500 and 24,999 reported gang activity in 2001
· 35% of suburban counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 11% of rural counties reported gang activity in 2001
· 95% of the jurisdictions reporting gang activity in 2001 had also reported gang activity in previous survey years 3,000 jurisdictions across the US are estimated to have had gang activity in 2001
· 56% of cities with population greater than or equal to 100,000 reported an increase or no significant change in the number of gang members in 2001
· 42% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gang members
· 45% of cities with a population of at least 25,000 reported an increase in the number of gangs from the previous two years
· 69% of cities with population at least 100,000 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 37% of cities with population between 50,000 and 99,999 reported having gang related homicides in 2001
· 59% of all homicides in 2001 in Los Angeles and
· 53% in Chicago were gang related, there was a total of 698 gang related homicides in there two cities combined where as 130 other cities with population of at least 100,000 with gang problems reported having a total of 637 homicides between them

Source: U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention, National Youth Gang Survey Trends from 1996 to 2000, by Arlen Egley, Jr. and Aline K. Major.

you just don't seem to listen .... try stay on topic ..... not all violence relates to gangs ..... how do the above stats prove otherwise? do i need crayons?

[evil ernie]

Holy Christ, does it really matter? They show that gang violence exists in America, something that Ernie didn't realize.


please re-read my post .... if you post something as stupid as you just did again .... i'm really not going to respond ... usually i avoid your arguments .... because 90% of the time you don't really know what you're arguing ... so how the fuck am i going to figure it out ....:thumb:

[sib]

Gang bangers use crayons.

http://infectedtube.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/crayons.jpg

[evil ernie]

Gang bangers use crayons.

http://infectedtube.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/crayons.jpg

then i'm becoming a gang banger ... because crayons are worth their fucking weight in gold on here ..... it's the next best thing to dragging my knuckles on the floor and grunting ....

[Tilly]

once again ... i said people get shot driving in their cars ... dropping kids of at school ..... so how do i know where to avoid if you can be a target anywhere? think man ... think .....

Once again, I'm not talking about South Africa. I don't know how people do shit over there. Here, you don't get shot driving your car, dropping kids off at school, etc. Here, you know a shady neighborhood when you see it.

he wasn't my friend .. he was my mate's friend .... and people get shot even when complying with the criminals .... sometimes they torture you just for kicks .... so you're saying he shouldn't have pulled the gun even though you know nothing of the situation .... so what? never react? be a pussy and victim your whole life? ..... thank you .... but no thanks ....

Dude, I already said:

Then again, I don't live in South Africa, so I wouldn't know how people generally think there.

I don't know what the fuck else you want. We're talking about two completely different locations, and you're talking like it's somehow relevant to my argument with fbb.

okay now i want you to read this closely ...

you said:



please note i just quoted the important part to avoid you getting confused...

then i responded by saying:



and now you post stats that gangs exist in cities? please tell me this was a joke ... HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS RELATE TO ANYTHING I'VE SAID!? and if you're sitting there thinking this all makes sense ... then you should be on disability pay for a head injury ....

Ugh...look. You see a place where there would be gang activity (or any other types of violence, doesn't even have to be gang-related), don't go doing shit there. I was using gangs as an example, just so you know.

Then your comment is saying that gang activity is inconsequential. You still following me here? Good.

Then I showed you statistics that gang activity is not inconsequential, that it is a high source of crime IN AMERICA!

you just don't seem to listen .... try stay on topic ..... not all violence relates to gangs ..... how do the above stats prove otherwise? do i need crayons?

Whose topic? You think that what happens where you live is the topic. I've been trying to say this whole time that it's not. The keyword is AMERICA. Shit happens in AMERICA. You can avoid violence (for the most part) in AMERICA. My comment of gangs is a valid example in AMERICA. Your mate's friend or whoever wasn't shot in AMERICA. In AMERICA, lock does not need to carry around a concealed weapon.

If that doesn't make sense to you, then I don't know what else to tell you.

[Tilly]

please re-read my post .... if you post something as stupid as you just did again .... i'm really not going to respond ... usually i avoid your arguments .... because 90% of the time you don't really know what you're arguing ... so how the fuck am i going to figure it out ....:thumb:

lol, then 90% of the time, YOU don't really know what I'm arguing. Simple as that.

[sib]

Paper beats rock


Rock beats scissors



Scissors beats paper


































Bullet beats crayons


http://i138.photobucket.com/albums/q279/quirkyjessi/crayon-assassin.jpg

u better prayola if you crayola

[evil ernie]

Once again, I'm not talking about South Africa. I don't know how people do shit over there. Here, you don't get shot driving your car, dropping kids off at school, etc. Here, you know a shady neighborhood when you see it.


so people can see the crime that's going to hit them in your country? do they wear stickers? do you have any sort of stats to back up that crime only happens in bad areas? (because realistically we know that crime can happen anywhere ... bad people tend to not be good at following rules .... so i'm guessing they aren't going to be following your crime rule book.)


Dude, I already said:


You said he shouldn't have pulled a gun ... i said: so what? Are you just going to let people do whatever the fuck they want to you and your family? Now you say it's a people over here thing ...

..crime happens everywhere .... i just have more extreme examples to draw on to make my point ... just because it's not as bad over there as it is here ... doesn't mean it doesn't happen ....




I don't know what the fuck else you want. We're talking about two completely different locations, and you're talking like it's somehow relevant to my argument with fbb.


hahahaha .... i agree ... it was a stupid point you made .... so we'll just forget about it ... (as far as i can tell that's what you mean)


Ugh...look. You see a place where there would be gang activity (or any other types of violence, doesn't even have to be gang-related), don't go doing shit there. I was using gangs as an example, just so you know.


you aren't always going to see a bad situation, which brings me back to the top of this post .....


Then your comment is saying that gang activity is inconsequential. You still following me here? Good.


nope ... just saying gang activity isn't the only form of violence .... and it's not always going to be in "gang areas" which is why people feel the need to be able to defend themselves ...


Then I showed you statistics that gang activity is not inconsequential, that it is a high source of crime IN AMERICA!


because that's been you point all along .....:rolleyes2:


Whose topic? You think that what happens where you live is the topic. I've been trying to say this whole time that it's not. The keyword is AMERICA. Shit happens in AMERICA. You can avoid violence (for the most part) in AMERICA. My comment of gangs is a valid example in AMERICA. Your mate's friend or whoever wasn't shot in AMERICA. In AMERICA, lock does not need to carry around a concealed weapon.


and millions of AMERICAN'S will completely disagree with you (thanks for putting america in bold i would have missed it).....



If that doesn't make sense to you, then I don't know what else to tell you.

something worth reading would be a good start ... :rofl:


self defense is important in my life ... i read stats .... i read about situations ... and i read about people like you who believe that crime happens to other people ... who believe that it just happens in "bad areas" ... i read about them dying and their families getting raped .... this is the real world ....

you forget that you could die by the hands of a bunch of drunk kids or a bouncer that gets carried away stomping your head in .... we live in a violent world .... so when giving people advice on how they should go about self defense ... put a bit of thought into it .... because they just might take it ....

[PlaneswalkerX]

I have this fantasy where a hot female cop pulls me over or something and wants to search me. Then she puts her hand on my cock and says something like, "what is this, a concealed weapon?" And I say something like, "I don't know, why don't you take a look, officer." And then we fuck like rabbits in the back of her squad car.

[evil ernie]

lol, then 90% of the time, YOU don't really know what I'm arguing. Simple as that.

thank god for small miracles ......:omg:

[PlaneswalkerX]

Atilla, does this mean you're going to take Evil Ernie's quote out of your sig?

[evil ernie]

Atilla, does this mean you're going to take Evil Ernie's quote out of your sig?

i'm not angry .... atilla can still come play at my house ... ol' ernie got nothing but love .... love and weed .... i just don't always agree with what people say ... and how they say it .... :thumb:

you on the other hand ...

you can't come over ...

my mother says you tried to get your freak on with her last time .... and then tried to charge her twice what she expected ..

[jaba]

Maybe Locklear could make one.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e42/jabathut/Earniespeacemaker.jpg

[footballbat]

These (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/22/mall.shooting/index.html) places (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/05/mall.shooting/) must (http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Police-Say-Suspect-In-Ohio-Mall-Shooting-Captured/yrms3VLPmkCrVxN0XZ5dpw.cspx) be (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html) in (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/church.shooting/index.html) shady (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20238693/) neighborhoods (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/index.html).

I'm done with this argument with you, ath. If you believe that just by avoiding bad neighborhoods, you can avoid crime, then go on believing. If you think that I choose to bear arms because of paranoia, then go on thinking that.

I will say this, though, paranoid people are hardly ever victims of their paranoia. It's usually something they weren't even prepared for.

[footballbat]

Maybe Locklear could make one.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e42/jabathut/Earniespeacemaker.jpg


http://www.thehomegunsmith.com/

[PlaneswalkerX]

These (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/22/mall.shooting/index.html) places (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/05/mall.shooting/) must (http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Police-Say-Suspect-In-Ohio-Mall-Shooting-Captured/yrms3VLPmkCrVxN0XZ5dpw.cspx) be (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html) in (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/church.shooting/index.html) shady (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20238693/) neighborhoods (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/index.html).

I'm done with this argument with you, ath. If you believe that just by avoiding bad neighborhoods, you can avoid crime, then go on believing. If you think that I choose to bear arms because of paranoia, then go on thinking that.

I will say this, though, paranoid people are hardly ever victims of their paranoia. It's usually something they weren't even prepared for.

Yeah. If only the preacher or someone in the church was carrying a concealed weapon... :omg:

[sib]

I have this fantasy where a hot female cop pulls me over or something and wants to search me. Then she puts her hand on my cock and says something like, "what is this, a concealed weapon?" And I say something like, "I don't know, why don't you take a look, officer." And then we fuck like rabbits in the back of her squad car.

Do you ask her to turn on the lights just before you blow in her face?

[Tilly]

so people can see the crime that's going to hit them in your country? do they wear stickers? do you have any sort of stats to back up that crime only happens in bad areas? (because realistically we know that crime can happen anywhere ... bad people tend to not be good at following rules .... so i'm guessing they aren't going to be following your crime rule book.)

If you're driving through a bad neighborhood, you keep driving. If you're alone at night and you see a dark alley, don't go down the dark alley. In those instances, they might as well wear stickers because that shit's painfully obvious. Crime has to happen in good areas too, but I just never see that happening. I've heard shootings in bad neighborhoods. I don't hear that in good neighborhoods. I'm not citing any rules here, I'm just citing what actually happens over what could possibly happen.

Here, you really don't have to worry about anyone jacking you or mugging you unless you're going through a bad area. That's just how it is.

You said he shouldn't have pulled a gun ... i said: so what? Are you just going to let people do whatever the fuck they want to you and your family? Now you say it's a people over here thing ...

..crime happens everywhere .... i just have more extreme examples to draw on to make my point ... just because it's not as bad over there as it is here ... doesn't mean it doesn't happen ....

I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen enough everywhere in America to warrant carrying a concealed weapon everywhere you go. The exception to that being if your job requires you to go through bad areas.

hahahaha .... i agree ... it was a stupid point you made .... so we'll just forget about it ... (as far as i can tell that's what you mean)

huh?

you aren't always going to see a bad situation, which brings me back to the top of this post .....



nope ... just saying gang activity isn't the only form of violence .... and it's not always going to be in "gang areas" which is why people feel the need to be able to defend themselves ...

I never said gang violence is the only form of violence. I was using it as an example. I know that plenty of people with no gang affiliation commit crimes, too. As one factor that contributes to bad areas, I was illustrating that they are a strong factor.

because that's been you point all along .....:rolleyes2:

With you, it has. FBB and I were talking about why you would need a concealed weapon in America, and there was no reason to start factoring other countries into the argument. Then you came along and started factoring what happens in your country that doesn't apply to my original argument. You basically changed the argument and told me to stay on topic.

and millions of AMERICAN'S will completely disagree with you (thanks for putting america in bold i would have missed it).....

Well no shit. FBB is an example of an American that is disagreeing with me, that's what Americans do.

You're welcome by the way for capitalizing America. I know you would have missed it, because you missed it from all my previous posts.


something worth reading would be a good start ... :rofl:

Well that's your opinion, and I guess it must suck to read one that doesn't flow well with your chi.

self defense is important in my life ... i read stats .... i read about situations ... and i read about people like you who believe that crime happens to other people ... who believe that it just happens in "bad areas" ... i read about them dying and their families getting raped .... this is the real world ....

Oooh, well I'm glad you're here to educate "people like me" on what the real world is. Look, I am not against responsible gun ownership, and I'm not even against carrying concealed weapons. People are free to do it legally, and I agree with that. I just think it's stupid to go around carrying a concealed weapon everywhere you go. Furthermore, I think it's stupid for a kid in New Hampshire to consider getting a gun to conceal. I am all for peoples' right to be stupid. If you live in a bad area, or if your entire country is a bad area, then I do not thing having a concealed weapon is stupid.

Then, as a side note, I think getting a Glock for the sole reason that you don't want to take care of your weapon is stupid. I appreciate the Glock's ruggedness, but I wouldn't buy it for the reason that it can be run over and eaten by alligators and can still shoot. Other guns are also reliable, and you can drop them in mud (providing it doesn't enter the guts of the gun for whatever stupid reason) or leave them exposed to dust and it'll still shoot, as long as you don't completely neglect it.

you forget that you could die by the hands of a bunch of drunk kids or a bouncer that gets carried away stomping your head in .... we live in a violent world .... so when giving people advice on how they should go about self defense ... put a bit of thought into it .... because they just might take it ....

I do not forget that you can die by those ways. I also do not forget that common sense can keep you from getting killed.

My lord, though...someone just might take my advice and be like the millions of other poor souls who don't get raped/killed. Think of the children.

[sib]

Maybe Locklear could make one.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e42/jabathut/Earniespeacemaker.jpg


I have doubts on his knitting skills. you were talking about his shirt, right?

[Tilly]

These (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/11/22/mall.shooting/index.html) places (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/05/mall.shooting/) must (http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story/Police-Say-Suspect-In-Ohio-Mall-Shooting-Captured/yrms3VLPmkCrVxN0XZ5dpw.cspx) be (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html) in (http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/church.shooting/index.html) shady (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20238693/) neighborhoods (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/03/10/shooting.alabama/index.html).

I'm done with this argument with you, ath. If you believe that just by avoiding bad neighborhoods, you can avoid crime, then go on believing. If you think that I choose to bear arms because of paranoia, then go on thinking that.

I will say this, though, paranoid people are hardly ever victims of their paranoia. It's usually something they weren't even prepared for.

LOL!!!

Nov 2008: 1 dead, 1 wounded, people who didn't die in Seattle: 582,000
Dec 2007: 9 dead, people who didn't die in Omaha, Nebraska: 390,000
Dec 2007: 1 wounded, people who didn't die in Columbus, Ohio: 747,000
Mar 2009: 1 dead, 2 wounded, people who didn't die in Maryville, IL: 5600
Dec 2007: 1 dead, 4 wounded, people who didn't die in Col Springs, CO: 376,000
Aug 2007: 3 dead, 5 wounded, people who didn't die in Neosho, MO: 64,000
Mar 2009: 10 dead, people who didn't die: 3000?

Let's put this all together. Out of 2,167,600 (population is all rough estimate), 25 people died, and 13 people wounded. So in those instances on average, supposing you lived in any of those areas (which knocks the percentage down way further if you decided to factor in all the other places in the entire United States you could be living), you would have had a .00115% chance of getting killed by a crazed gunman? Man, how did I manage to survive this long without a concealed weapon by my side?

[evil ernie]

If you're driving through a bad neighborhood, you keep driving. If you're alone at night and you see a dark alley, don't go down the dark alley. In those instances, they might as well wear stickers because that shit's painfully obvious. Crime has to happen in good areas too, but I just never see that happening. I've heard shootings in bad neighborhoods. I don't hear that in good neighborhoods. I'm not citing any rules here, I'm just citing what actually happens over what could possibly happen.

Here, you really don't have to worry about anyone jacking you or mugging you unless you're going through a bad area. That's just how it is.



I'm not saying that it doesn't happen, but it doesn't happen enough everywhere in America to warrant carrying a concealed weapon everywhere you go. The exception to that being if your job requires you to go through bad areas.



huh?



I never said gang violence is the only form of violence. I was using it as an example. I know that plenty of people with no gang affiliation commit crimes, too. As one factor that contributes to bad areas, I was illustrating that they are a strong factor.



With you, it has. FBB and I were talking about why you would need a concealed weapon in America, and there was no reason to start factoring other countries into the argument. Then you came along and started factoring what happens in your country that doesn't apply to my original argument. You basically changed the argument and told me to stay on topic.



Well no shit. FBB is an example of an American that is disagreeing with me, that's what Americans do.

You're welcome by the way for capitalizing America. I know you would have missed it, because you missed it from all my previous posts.




Well that's your opinion, and I guess it must suck to read one that doesn't flow well with your chi.



Oooh, well I'm glad you're here to educate "people like me" on what the real world is. Look, I am not against responsible gun ownership, and I'm not even against carrying concealed weapons. People are free to do it legally, and I agree with that. I just think it's stupid to go around carrying a concealed weapon everywhere you go. Furthermore, I think it's stupid for a kid in New Hampshire to consider getting a gun to conceal. I am all for peoples' right to be stupid. If you live in a bad area, or if your entire country is a bad area, then I do not thing having a concealed weapon is stupid.

Then, as a side note, I think getting a Glock for the sole reason that you don't want to take care of your weapon is stupid. I appreciate the Glock's ruggedness, but I wouldn't buy it for the reason that it can be run over and eaten by alligators and can still shoot. Other guns are also reliable, and you can drop them in mud (providing it doesn't enter the guts of the gun for whatever stupid reason) or leave them exposed to dust and it'll still shoot, as long as you don't completely neglect it.



I do not forget that you can die by those ways. I also do not forget that common sense can keep you from getting killed.

My lord, though...someone just might take my advice and be like the millions of other poor souls who don't get raped/killed. Think of the children.

if it happens, then it's your choice whether you want to arm yourself or not ...

you're approaching this country specific .... i'm not ..... the reasoning remains in tact ... your possibility for ending up in the situation is a variant ... so it's up to the person to asses the risk involved ...

other guns are reliable .... testing is important ... what you classify is a reasonable test for a firearm depends on the person and what he wants from his firearm ....


awareness is always the best method of avoiding conflict ... but it's not fool proof ... and common sense will tell you all kinds of things .... but you won't always be able to talk your way out of a situation or avoid it ....

chi? i don't really believe in chi if that has anything other than sarcastic value ..




... but i'm home now ... and i'm high .... so fuck it .... really ....:rofl:

[Locklear]

Once again, I'm not talking about South Africa. I don't know how people do shit over there. Here, you don't get shot driving your car, dropping kids off at school, etc. Here, you know a shady neighborhood when you see it.

Hahahaha, right.

That's the most ignorant and naive shit I have ever read... Please don't tell me you believe that?

LOL!!!

Nov 2008: 1 dead, 1 wounded, people who didn't die in Seattle: 582,000
Dec 2007: 9 dead, people who didn't die in Omaha, Nebraska: 390,000
Dec 2007: 1 wounded, people who didn't die in Columbus, Ohio: 747,000
Mar 2009: 1 dead, 2 wounded, people who didn't die in Maryville, IL: 5600
Dec 2007: 1 dead, 4 wounded, people who didn't die in Col Springs, CO: 376,000
Aug 2007: 3 dead, 5 wounded, people who didn't die in Neosho, MO: 64,000
Mar 2009: 10 dead, people who didn't die: 3000?

Let's put this all together. Out of 2,167,600 (population is all rough estimate), 25 people died, and 13 people wounded. So in those instances on average, supposing you lived in any of those areas (which knocks the percentage down way further if you decided to factor in all the other places in the entire United States you could be living), you would have had a .00115% chance of getting killed by a crazed gunman? Man, how did I manage to survive this long without a concealed weapon by my side?

You can risk being be one of that .00115%, but not me.

[Tilly]

Hahahaha, right.

That's the most ignorant and naive shit I have ever read... Please don't tell me you believe that?

Believe it or not, I've never seen it happen! Is that out of this world or what? I know Philly might not be as rough a place as the thugs and hooligans in New Hampshire. They represent, from what I've heard.

You can risk being be one of that .00115%, but not me.

Such idiotic reasoning. Go wear a helmet everywhere you go then and look like a paranoid freak, because you have a higher chance of falling and cracking your head open. Better yet, don't drive a car, because the chance of death in an accident is astronomically higher. I love it when people fail to realize greater risks posed in their lifestyle, then instead focus on such pitiful fear-mongering and try to pass it off like it applies to their everyday life. You are in no such danger that you would need a concealed handgun.

[Heero Valentine]

i'm waiting for someone to pull out the "well if people didn't have their concealed guns with them the percentage would be higher" comment.

[JACKASS2010]

... but i'm home now ... and i'm high .... so fuck it .... really ....:rofl:

this quote just reminded me, i have enough weed for 1 doob in mah pocket and nigga, imma roll.

:rasta:

[Heero Valentine]

this quote just reminded me, i have enough weed for 1 doob in mah pocket and nigga, imma roll.

:rasta:

:mad: share!

[JACKASS2010]

*passes

[Heero Valentine]

*passes

:rasta: you're a lot chiller when you're smoking a doobie mangz...

[tgd_02]

O SHI-

i arrivd too late

[JACKASS2010]

i decided 1 wouldnt cut it and got a delivery, how i roll!

[JooX]

i'm waiting for someone to pull out the "well if people didn't have their concealed guns with them the percentage would be higher" comment.


Dont be stupid, Heero. I have a rock that keeps criminals away from me... it never fails. I've never been mugged, shot, or car-jacked because of it.

I will start selling these on e-bay.


And, Ath; as far as the shit about the Glock and it's ability to be thrown into a toilet and still fire... it's not about NOT keeping your firearm in good working order, it's about the quality of the design to function. Yes they use some extreme examples, but that is only to illustrate how reliable the thing is when kept by a conscientious gun owner who would keep their firearm in good repair and condition.

You dont actually see them racing cars against horses to work out the cars horsepower... do you?
Samurai sword ratings? How many limbs have you hacked off? But they use it as a benchmark for it's suitability to do it's job. (the real kind)

[Willow]

The Second Amendment of The Bill of Rights:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Until Congress repeals this amendment, /end discussion.

[JooX]

The Second Amendment of The Bill of Rights:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Until Congress repeals this amendment, /end discussion.


You just opened up a new debate. LEWL



:banana_sml:

[Musicman58]

You just opened up a new debate. LEWL



:banana_sml:
where the fuck are my bear arms?
http://www.demopolislive.com/gallery/images/1/large/1_the_right_to_bear_arms.jpg

[ceehound619]

The Second Amendment of The Bill of Rights:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Until Congress repeals this amendment, /end discussion.
stupid post...... you only sourced the second amendment and provided no interpretation at all.....its obvious though that as always you think YOUR interpretation is the ONLY one....:rolleyes2: ...so tell us willow....wich "militia" are you a member of?

[Willow]

stupid post...... you only sourced the second amendment and provided no interpretation at all.....its obvious though that as always you think YOUR interpretation is the ONLY one....:rolleyes2: ...so tell us willow....wich "militia" are you a member of?
It is not MY interpretation Cee. It's just a copy/paste from the Bill of Rights. As for which militia I am a member of, don't be an ass. I can be a militia of one fighting against one individual who is trying to infringe upon my life or my liberty. Or a militia of one who is simply prepared to do so.

[ceehound619]

It is not MY interpretation Cee. It's just a copy/paste from the Bill of Rights..
yeah but you followed that with "end discussion" ....maybe I didnt grasp the point of that.......n/m....its all 2 the good....sorry bout that rep.......my finger slipped. lols

[Raidenator]

Dont be stupid, Heero. I have a rock that keeps criminals away from me... it never fails. I've never been mugged, shot, or car-jacked because of it.

I will start selling these on e-bay.


And, Ath; as far as the shit about the Glock and it's ability to be thrown into a toilet and still fire... it's not about NOT keeping your firearm in good working order, it's about the quality of the design to function. Yes they use some extreme examples, but that is only to illustrate how reliable the thing is when kept by a conscientious gun owner who would keep their firearm in good repair and condition.

You dont actually see them racing cars against horses to work out the cars horsepower... do you?
Samurai sword ratings? How many limbs have you hacked off? But they use it as a benchmark for it's suitability to do it's job. (the real kind)

Too true my boy. It isn't about me being able to drop it in the mud and still use it, because it'll never be like that. The point is, that it's a very quality gun. The fact that it CAN do that has a lot to say about how well it's made. They don't cut corners on that thing.

I'ma post a picture of my most recent acquisition here in a minute.

[ceehound619]

Imma post a pic of my guns as soon as I finish working out.

[Raidenator]

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6791/gunz007h.jpg

This is what I picked up a couple of months ago.

Armalight AR24 9mm.

The thing I love about this gun is the sights and the grip. It feels good to hold, and the sights are awesome. They're the...whatever call 'em. "Night sights". Glow in the dark. Pimp. Shot a few hundred rounds through it so far. Not had any problems with jamming and cleaning is pretty easy.

Another thing I hadn't mentioned about the Glocks is how safe they are. If you're a noob to the gun world, you can't go wrong with a glock. With a lot of other guns it's like, if you breathe on 'em they'll fire. With glocks you have the safety on the grip, the trigger safety, and the slide safety. So if someone gets a hand on your gun, it isn't firing without a good grip. I believe this is a big reason that most cops carry 'em. It's great if you're still learning the ins and outs of guns.

Edit: Sorry the pic is huge. Who knew my phone could take giant pictures?

[ceehound619]

Imma post a pic of my guns as soon as I finish working out.
ttt

[Locklear]

Dont be stupid, Heero. I have a rock that keeps criminals away from me... it never fails. I've never been mugged, shot, or car-jacked because of it.

My sarcasm detector is broken... You're not serious, are you?



This is what I picked up a couple of months ago.

Armalight AR24 9mm.

The thing I love about this gun is the sights and the grip. It feels good to hold, and the sights are awesome. They're the...whatever call 'em. "Night sights". Glow in the dark. Pimp. Shot a few hundred rounds through it so far. Not had any problems with jamming and cleaning is pretty easy.

Another thing I hadn't mentioned about the Glocks is how safe they are. If you're a noob to the gun world, you can't go wrong with a glock. With a lot of other guns it's like, if you breathe on 'em they'll fire. With glocks you have the safety on the grip, the trigger safety, and the slide safety. So if someone gets a hand on your gun, it isn't firing without a good grip. I believe this is a big reason that most cops carry 'em. It's great if you're still learning the ins and outs of guns.

Edit: Sorry the pic is huge. Who knew my phone could take giant pictures?

How much did you pick that one up for?

The reason I'm looking at the Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm is because it's $325 bucks used, usually around $480 brand new. Comes with 2 16 round mags, and a holster. Also has the night sights on it.

[Raidenator]

My sarcasm detector is broken... You're not serious, are you?



How much did you pick that one up for?

The reason I'm looking at the Stoeger Cougar 8000 9mm is because it's $325 bucks used, usually around $480 brand new. Comes with 2 16 round mags, and a holster. Also has the night sights on it.

That one was about $500 brand new. Depends where you but it from though. I have a buddy that owns the shop, so I got it for $400.

Anyway, I got it with two mags and I believe it holds 12+1. Honestly, I don't think you need anything with a high cap mag. If you were ever in a situation to need it, you'd only need 4 or 5 rounds IMO.

Anyway, as for the Stoegers, I'm not a big fan personally. I just haven't heard great things about them. But, I haven't really heard bad things either. In any case, buy what you can afford. Just keep in mind that you don't need the best of the best for your first gun. Just something to start you off. Get you used to the cleaning and maintenance along with the safety and carry aspects.

[JooX]

My sarcasm detector is broken... You're not serious, are you?



:omg:



:wth:




Yes, yes I was serious about having a rock that stops all forms of crime being commited against my person. I will sell you one so you do not need to purchace a firearm. $250 sound fair? Small price to pay for the awesome power of the crime stopping rock.

[Locklear]

:omg:



:wth:




Yes, yes I was serious about having a rock that stops all forms of crime being commited against my person. I will sell you one so you do not need to purchace a firearm. $250 sound fair? Small price to pay for the awesome power of the crime stopping rock.

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http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/not_sure_if_srs.jpg

[JooX]

...
http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/not_sure_if_srs.jpg


...


Not sure if retarded.

[Locklear]

That one was about $500 brand new. Depends where you but it from though. I have a buddy that owns the shop, so I got it for $400.

Anyway, I got it with two mags and I believe it holds 12+1. Honestly, I don't think you need anything with a high cap mag. If you were ever in a situation to need it, you'd only need 4 or 5 rounds IMO.

Anyway, as for the Stoegers, I'm not a big fan personally. I just haven't heard great things about them. But, I haven't really heard bad things either. In any case, buy what you can afford. Just keep in mind that you don't need the best of the best for your first gun. Just something to start you off. Get you used to the cleaning and maintenance along with the safety and carry aspects.

True about the high cap mags and self-defense scenarios. The high cap mag in the Stoeger is just a perk. Could prove convenient at the range though, can get more shots out of a mag and spend less time refilling them.

I've been reading reviews on just about every brand of gun in every price range. One thing I noticed is some people will buy a $150 Hi-Point C9 9mm and have it jam every 3-4 shots, other people have the same gun and have no problems putting hundreds of rounds through it. I've noticed the same thing with people saying that about glocks, sigs, S&W's, etc.

Seems like every brand has their lemons and their jewels.

Plus, I got to take into account my price range. I don;t really wanna spend over $350 for my first gun, and definitely don't wanna spend $600+ until I know I'm into shooting.

The Stoeger was $325, and like every other gun I've read about, it has mixed reviews. I'm gonna check out some used guns at a few local shop tomorrow and see what I can find.

[Locklear]

...


Not sure if retarded.

I'm retarded because I ask you if you're serious you carry around a rock?

I guess a rock can have it's benefits. A criminal can't attack you if they're rolling on the ground laughing their ass off at you...

[ceehound619]

The Stoeger was $325,
how u gonna get $325 dollars with no job??? does willow give you an allowance?

[Borro]

Hi Point is an ok firearm if you are just wanting one to kill someone with. Cheap price, never had a problem with one. I think I paid $130 for a .45 a few years ago. No problems out of it, other than the deep BOOM it made. I didn't use ear plugs, and it almost popped my fucking eardrums. I couldn't imagine firing that bitch off inside of a home to kill an intruder.

Handguns are around to kill someone. The price is meaningless really, unless you are trying to impress someone with your Desert Eagle .50 cal handgun.

[DC Thug]

price can get you a better gun

reliability is king when your life is on the line

don't want it jamming on you at an inopportune moment, if you know what i mean

[ceehound619]

Handguns are around to kill someone. .
shotguns are better at that nugga....ESPECIALLY in the home....very FEW people are capable of adequately defending themselves at home with a handgun.....ps.....magnum now makes a 500....bigger then the desert eagle....jus sayin

[Borro]

price can get you a better gun

reliability is king when your life is on the line

don't want it jamming on you at an inopportune moment, if you know what i mean

so get a revolver, and good ammo.

[Borro]

shotguns are better at that nugga....ESPECIALLY in the home....very FEW people are capable of adequately defending themselves at home with a handgun.....ps.....magnum now makes a 500....bigger then the desert eagle....jus sayin


a 12 gauge can scare anyone out of your home just by putting a round in the chamber in a different room...

what a sweet sound it makes.

I miss shooting inmates with riot pellets. Random thought, sorry. :drunknow:

[DC Thug]

you know, been thinking about picking up a .38 special.

i know it's a small caliber, but there's something about that gun i really like

[ceehound619]

a 12 gauge can scare anyone out of your home just by putting a round in the chamber in a different room...



:drunknow:
REAL TALK

[ceehound619]

you know, been thinking about picking up a .38 special.


they make GREAT music 2....... see wha.........:omg:

[JooX]

I'm retarded because I ask you if you're serious you carry around a rock?

I guess a rock can have it's benefits. A criminal can't attack you if they're rolling on the ground laughing their ass off at you...


:rolleyes2:


I think a hand-gun is perfect for you. People like you need to have something to make them feel safer, when their smart mouths get them into the shit.

I'll buy the fact you may never have heard the tale about the rock that keeps elephants away - because you dont see any elephants, but to have read those posts and still not clicked?

[Borro]

you know, been thinking about picking up a .38 special.

i know it's a small caliber, but there's something about that gun i really like

.38 is a good gun. people also don't see the greatness of a .22 cal. They of course are lethal, but if you don't die you get the pleasure of being butcher by surgeons. Then you get to walk around like a gimp for the rest of your life. Most of the damage it causes...if you live... is from what you have to go through cuz your ass is not getting cut up.

Head shots FTW

[Borro]

:rolleyes2:


I think a hand-gun is perfect for you. People like you need to have something to make them feel safer, when their smart mouths get them into the shit.

I'll buy the fact you may never have heard the tale about the rock that keeps elephants away - because you dont see any elephants, but to have read those posts and still not clicked?


He's fucking around with a girl who has an ex boyfriend that wants to kick his ass. That is the usual reason why someone like Lock would want a firearm.

[ceehound619]

.38 is a good gun. people also don't see the greatness of a .22 cal. They of course are lethal, but if you don't die you get the pleasure of being butcher by surgeons. Then you get to walk around like a gimp for the rest of your life. Most of the damage it causes...if you live... is from what you have to go through cuz your ass is not getting cut up.

Head shots FTW
maybe at point blank nugga....but I heard stories bout 22's bouncing off mufuhs....dont know how true that is.

[Borro]

maybe at point blank nugga....but I heard stories bout 22's bouncing off mufuhs....dont know how true that is.


lol like what in a drive by? a .22 will pop into you, but most likely won't exit. that's where the knife comes into play.

[JooX]

Two in the chest, one in the head as you walk by.

.22 9mm .38 .40 .45 .50 .357..... I dont think too many people have been shot before and thought- "Fuck this shit, Im going to kick your ass now!" If you get hit in the chest with something that doesnt make a watermellon hole in your back, you are still most likely going down.

[Borro]

Two in the chest, one in the head as you walk by.

.22 9mm .38 .40 .45 .50 .357..... I dont think too many people have been shot before and thought- "Fuck this shit, Im going to kick your ass now!" If you get hit in the chest with something that doesnt make a watermellon hole in your back, you are still most likely going down.

my dad got shot with a .22 cal. after taking a few feet of his intestines out he managed to live. a friend of mine got shot in the head with the same cal. bullet, and lived. He's in a wheelchair, and a fucking veg.

sometimes dead is better.

[JooX]

my dad got shot with a .22 cal. after taking a few feet of his intestines out he managed to live. a friend of mine got shot in the head with the same cal. bullet, and lived. He's in a wheelchair, and a fucking veg.

sometimes dead is better.


*nods

[ceehound619]

22 aint shit pussies....I'll make a vest outta "bounty the quicker picker upper" that'll stop that shit.

[Raidenator]

.38 is a good gun. people also don't see the greatness of a .22 cal. They of course are lethal, but if you don't die you get the pleasure of being butcher by surgeons. Then you get to walk around like a gimp for the rest of your life. Most of the damage it causes...if you live... is from what you have to go through cuz your ass is not getting cut up.

Head shots FTW

A .22 does fine work. I actually find them a lot of fun to shoot too because they don't have any recoil and are easy loading. Not to mention weight. I have a Kimber .22 that I oughta put up here when I get a chance. Anyway, my dad licensed himself for a silencer and popped that onto my .22. Cool as fuck.

.22's will kill just easily as 9's or .45s. A cop buddy of mine was shot in the shoulder, just outside of his vest and the bullet went through and just bounced around in his abdomen, taking out 3 vital organs. Needless to say, he died. Not before he popped the stupid fucker that shot him though. It'll do the same to the brain too.

Anyway, tl;dr. .22's are cool.

[ceehound619]

.22's will kill just easily as 9's or .45s.
NO.... you're wrong... u just lost all credibility on this topic.

[JooX]

NO.... you're wrong... u just lost all credibility on this topic.


Go regulate your cock.

[ceehound619]

Go regulate your cock.
ride a razor blade slide into a vat of aids infested acid.

[Locklear]

how u gonna get $325 dollars with no job??? does willow give you an allowance?

Birthday cash.

Hi Point is an ok firearm if you are just wanting one to kill someone with. Cheap price, never had a problem with one. I think I paid $130 for a .45 a few years ago. No problems out of it, other than the deep BOOM it made. I didn't use ear plugs, and it almost popped my fucking eardrums. I couldn't imagine firing that bitch off inside of a home to kill an intruder.

Handguns are around to kill someone. The price is meaningless really, unless you are trying to impress someone with your Desert Eagle .50 cal handgun.

Yeah the price is nice.

a 12 gauge can scare anyone out of your home just by putting a round in the chamber in a different room...

what a sweet sound it makes.

I miss shooting inmates with riot pellets. Random thought, sorry. :drunknow:
:rofl:

you know, been thinking about picking up a .38 special.

i know it's a small caliber, but there's something about that gun i really like

.38 specials look fuckin sexy.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_IzriXotv1B4/R3It3XS36KI/AAAAAAAAAuo/W94cxTSZBic/s1600-h/38-special.jpg

He's fucking around with a girl who has an ex boyfriend that wants to kick his ass. That is the usual reason why someone like Lock would want a firearm.

:rofl: No, I've just always wanted a gun...

[Raidenator]

ride a razor blade slide into a vat of aids infested acid.

Joo crazy OG? I just explained why the kill just as well nukka. They just don't kill as quickly.

[ceehound619]

Joo crazy OG? I just explained why the kill just as well nukka. They just don't kill as quickly.
and I'm saying I dont buy your explanation..... both the 9mm and the 45 are more powerful weapons.... more power = more impact and = more penetration = more damage.... physics much? :thumb:

[Borro]

A cop buddy of mine was shot in the shoulder, just outside of his vest and the bullet went through and just bounced around in his abdomen, taking out 3 vital organs. Needless to say, he died. Not before he popped the stupid fucker that shot him though. It'll do the same to the brain too.

Anyway, tl;dr. .22's are cool.


You either saw the same cop show i did, or that is just sad.

I saw a cop get shot point blank through the stomach just below his vest, bounced off after going through him, went through him again, bounced off the vest again, and went into him again.

The cop i saw lived.

[Borro]

and I'm saying I dont buy your explanation..... both the 9mm and the 45 are more powerful weapons.... more power = more impact and = more penetration = more damage.... physics much? :thumb:

A bullet forcing it's way through your body really doesn't matter. Dead is dead. When I was a kid one of my friends got shot in the belly with a pellet gun, and almost died. When rounds are tearing into you I'm sure the last thing you are thinking about is what caliber it happens to be.

[JooX]

Can we just agree that being shot is not the option you want to take when faced with;
a) Any sized ammo flying towards you.
b) A giant marshmallow catapult, made of foam, throwing pillow sized mallows at you.

[ceehound619]

When rounds are tearing into you
SIGH.....and physics dictate the amount of tearing that occurs.....ffs.....ditch school much?.....bigger caliber = more tearage.....OH FFS.... Im gonna go talk to the wall.....gnite now.

[Borro]

SIGH.....and physics dictate the amount of tearing that occurs.....ffs.....ditch school much?.....bigger caliber = more tearage.....OH FFS.... Im gonna go talk to the wall.....gnite now.


does it really matter if a small round rips through your brain, or if your head explodes upon impact? i've seen people that have lived from a shot to the head from large caliber bullets. What's your point? When you die, does it really matter?

[JooX]

SIGH.....and physics dictate the amount of tearing that occurs.....ffs.....ditch school much?.....bigger caliber = more tearage.....OH FFS.... Im gonna go talk to the wall.....gnite now.


The smaller rounds have a tendancy to take themselves on a roller coaster ride around your insides. Larger rounds like to travel straight in and out the other side.

Yes, the larger rounds do carry and create a larger force, they will leave a large hole when they pop back out into daylight... but that is not the point Borro is making.

Being shot in the same LESS damaging/life threatening location by a smaller round will often end up causing the bigger chance of death due to the round finding it's way into the rest of your body. They are just like Mexicans, they get in the border and the next thing you know those fuckers are running around all over your country.

[ceehound619]

Being shot in the same LESS damaging/life threatening location by a smaller round will often end up causing the bigger chance of death.
ok...lets meet up and validate this claim....... u shoot me in the foot with your 22......then I get to shoot you in the foot with my 357....deal?,,,,,,and LOLS GRANDE at the mexican remark.

[DC Thug]

ok...lets meet up and validate this claim....... u shoot me in the foot with your 22......then I get to shoot you in the foot with my 357....deal?,,,,,,and LOLS GRANDE at the mexican remark.


i like where this convo is going

:thumb:

[JooX]

ok...lets meet up and validate this claim....... u shoot me in the foot with your 22......then I get to shoot you in the foot with my 357....deal?,,,,,,and LOLS GRANDE at the mexican remark.


*sigh* Fine, lets settle this like real men... standing still and shooting each other to proove a point.



YIBBA YIBBA!

[DC Thug]

joox stop stompin on mah posts man

[JooX]

STOMP MUDDA FLOKA!

[DC Thug]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_EO1TvwlUXJg/RyHMWtwnVAI/AAAAAAAAAK0/pfjuwEc129I/s320/KindergardenCop16.jpg

[ceehound619]

GET 2 THE CHOPPA!!!

[JooX]

Whoes yor daddy, and what duz he dooo?

[DC Thug]

http://z0r.de/?id=64

[ceehound619]

lols

[Borro]

I'll shoot you in the head with an AR-15 that pumps out a .223 round, you shoot me in the head with a .50 cal Barrett, and we'll see who really gives a shit.

[DC Thug]

saved this one from demoti thread

seemed more fitting, no?

http://www.motifake.com/demotivational-poster/0808/the-light-at-the-end-of-the-tunnel-gun-bullet-shoot-death-demotivational-poster-1217884989.jpg

[yup]

http://z0r.de/?id=64

NO U! lol

[evil ernie]

I'm retarded because I ask you if you're serious you carry around a rock?

I guess a rock can have it's benefits. A criminal can't attack you if they're rolling on the ground laughing their ass off at you...

them australians are gun nutters ...... i think if he was throwing a rock .... it would probably be to shoot at it ....


Hi Point is an ok firearm if you are just wanting one to kill someone with. Cheap price, never had a problem with one. I think I paid $130 for a .45 a few years ago. No problems out of it, other than the deep BOOM it made. I didn't use ear plugs, and it almost popped my fucking eardrums. I couldn't imagine firing that bitch off inside of a home to kill an intruder.

Handguns are around to kill someone. The price is meaningless really, unless you are trying to impress someone with your Desert Eagle .50 cal handgun.


i have a mate who hadn't really fired a firearm ..... so he takes his fucking earmuffs off inside the indoor range ........ just as my other friends starts shooting with his colt .45 ...... i thought he was going to jump out of his skin and then faint ..... he was fucking fragile after that .... lol ..... must have been fucking loud ......


i can't remember if i mentioned that lock should take into consideration the cost of the ammo ..... not sure if there is a huge difference in pricing over there ... but here there is ..... and you have to spend time at the range firing your gun, gotta know it well ... gotta aim straight ... something you can't shoot ...... is ... well .... rather buy a rock from joox ....

[Borro]

them australians are gun nutters ...... i think if he was throwing a rock .... it would probably be to shoot at it ....





i have a mate who hadn't really fired a firearm ..... so he takes his fucking earmuffs off inside the indoor range ........ just as my other friends starts shooting with his colt .45 ...... i thought he was going to jump out of his skin and then faint ..... he was fucking fragile after that .... lol ..... must have been fucking loud ......


i can't remember if i mentioned that lock should take into consideration the cost of the ammo ..... not sure if there is a huge difference in pricing over there ... but here there is ..... and you have to spend time at the range firing your gun, gotta know it well ... gotta aim straight ... something you can't shoot ...... is ... well .... rather buy a rock from joox ....


large ammo costs a lot of cash, if you want to just have a gun for target practice cuz you're a dumbass. Being a "hillbilly/redneck" teaches you how to shoot a nigga or twelve. Playing a banjo comes in second place...ask Jaba.

[evil ernie]

large ammo costs a lot of cash, if you want to just have a gun for target practice cuz you're a dumbass. Being a "hillbilly/redneck" teaches you how to shoot a nigga or twelve. Playing a banjo comes in second place...ask Jaba.

squeeeeeeaaaaaaaaal like a pig boy!

[Josh85]

my crim friend is currently getting me a gun.

pref handgun, but i wouldn't mind a rifle or shotty either. Not legit stuff though.

I'm not sure why i even want one. i just have this sub-conscious urge to aquire firearms.

[HeyBuddy]

Sig P229 .40 S&W

I've had mine for years, and love it. I've owned other guns, but this is the only one that I can honestly say I will never let go.

[PlaneswalkerX]

Bo knows guns.

[Raidenator]

and I'm saying I dont buy your explanation..... both the 9mm and the 45 are more powerful weapons.... more power = more impact and = more penetration = more damage.... physics much? :thumb:

There's physics involved with the .22 round but I can't be arsed to look it up. In any case, dead is dead. Or at the very least, the perp isn't wanting to come after you anymore.

You either saw the same cop show i did, or that is just sad.

I saw a cop get shot point blank through the stomach just below his vest, bounced off after going through him, went through him again, bounced off the vest again, and went into him again.

The cop i saw lived.

No, the one I talked about was for real. He was a friend of mine out of the Lehi, Utah PD. Pulled over a guy on a crotch rocket and the guy had a gram or something of crack and figured that was good enough to shoot my friend for.

[Heero Valentine]

my crim friend is currently getting me a gun.

pref handgun, but i wouldn't mind a rifle or shotty either. Not legit stuff though.

I'm not sure why i even want one. i just have this sub-conscious urge to aquire firearms.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis

:omg:???

[Locklear]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis

:omg:???

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

That would fuckin suck.

[Josh85]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis

:omg:???

nuh-uh. Ask ur mum why she's walkin' funny. :D

[sib]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis

:omg:???

Life would suck if a pistachio shell would fit as a cup. Poor bastards, probably easier for them to talk their women into knocking on the backdoor. :omg:

[evil ernie]

Life would suck if a pistachio shell would fit as a cup. Poor bastards, probably easier for them to talk their women into knocking on the backdoor. :omg:

what would be the point? ... he doesn't have enough to push past the cheeks .... he'd literally just be knocking on the back door ...

[sib]

what would be the point? ... he doesn't have enough to push past the cheeks .... he'd literally just be knocking on the back door ...

lol, you're right about that. She could say yes, so she could leverage him into bullshit down the road. They're sneaky, those wimin.

[Quackers]

You don't need a gun Lock, just jump in front of a train.

And take Willow along with you.

[Quackers]

my everyday gun is a .40 Smith & Wesson.


Hope in not the only one who snorted coffee over my keyboard laughing at this line. :rofl:

[PlaneswalkerX]

Hope in not the only one who snorted coffee over my keyboard laughing at this line. :rofl:

On Sundays, he carries his two pearl handled, model 1911 colt .45's.

[Quackers]

Nah, on sundays he holds little boy's cock's.

[Tilly]

Get a Sig P226. After you upgrade it, it works pretty well against zombies.

http://maxontreik.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/re5-screenshot-1.jpg

The M92F might look attractive because of its critical headshot stat and its capability of holding 100 rounds, but the Sig has a lot more punch, useful when facing zombies with chainsaws and sacks over their heads that can take 50 bullets to the face and not die.

http://fidgit.com/RE5_5_thing_05.jpg

[PlaneswalkerX]

Get a Sig P226. After you upgrade it, it works pretty well against zombies.

http://maxontreik.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/re5-screenshot-1.jpg

The M92F might look attractive because of its critical headshot stat and its capability of holding 100 rounds, but the Sig has a lot more punch, useful when facing zombies with chainsaws and sacks over their heads that can take 50 bullets to the face and not die.

http://fidgit.com/RE5_5_thing_05.jpg

RE5? You racist!

[Fireball]

RE5? You racist!

I know right?

I was about to say, Ath probably loves to shoot nigg... black people.

Yeah, I hate how people think the game is atually racist just because for once the 'zombies' are black. Oh well.

[JooX]

Really? Just black zombies? No WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

About time they got equal billing in the horror stakes. Why does it always have to be white guys that are evil deamons n shit? Time for the brothaz to get there time in the sun. Errr, unless dey iz da vampyre.

I bet RE5 sells like ammo down south. will rise again.

[sib]

I know right?

I was about to say, Ath probably loves to shoot nigg... black people.

Yeah, I hate how people think the game is atually racist just because for once the 'zombies' are black. Oh well.

Looks like Haiti, I believe their variant of christianity believes in that sorta stuff, along with witch doctors. Probably not racism, but the buzz about it should increase sales.

[Tilly]

Looks like Haiti, I believe their variant of christianity believes in that sorta stuff, along with witch doctors. Probably not racism, but the buzz about it should increase sales.

Nah, it's Africa. If anything, you could say the game has more of an anti-colonial message, because it was the greedy corporations that came in and fucked everything up and exploited the region's instability by using parasites to control their minds...which more or less kind of portrays the zombies as the victims, not the aggressors.

There's actually a funny scene in there which pissed people off. It was a blonde white chick who seemingly had no business being in the middle of this area, being dragged off by zombies while kicking and screaming, and then they turn her into a zombie. At first glance, you'd be like "what the fuck," but it turns out they originally planned that chick to be a secondary character in the game, but then decided not to and have her turn into a zombie right there.

Some zombies are reverted back to their tribal days and wear tribal outfits and (no shit) chuck spears at you.

I think it's funny. At first glance, you might understand why someone would see that as racist, but I don't think it is, and you just gotta take shit with a grain of salt.

[Tilly]

RE5? You racist!

lol

http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/123992-racist.jpg

[sib]

lulz 'spearchuckers.'

[silenthill22]

This game should come with a free tube of Prep H for the crybabies.

[jaba]

Nah, it's Africa. If anything, you could say the game has more of an anti-colonial message, because it was the greedy corporations that came in and fucked everything up and exploited the region's instability by using parasites to control their minds...which more or less kind of portrays the zombies as the victims, not the aggressors.

There's actually a funny scene in there which pissed people off. It was a blonde white chick who seemingly had no business being in the middle of this area, being dragged off by zombies while kicking and screaming, and then they turn her into a zombie. At first glance, you'd be like "what the fuck," but it turns out they originally planned that chick to be a secondary character in the game, but then decided not to and have her turn into a zombie right there.

Some zombies are reverted back to their tribal days and wear tribal outfits and (no shit) chuck spears at you.

I think it's funny. At first glance, you might understand why someone would see that as racist, but I don't think it is, and you just gotta take shit with a grain of salt.Therapy recommended.
Adults who want to remain childlike should seek mental assistance. :omg:

[Locklear]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micropenis

:omg:???

I didn't even know that existed until I clicked the link.

Then I remembered, I've seen someone with that before.

In bootcamp there was a guy with a dick so small that it's didn't even hang down... It was about the size of an acorn.

His nickname was acorn.

[Borro]

Yeah, a game set in Africa...with black people. How goddamn racist. People are fucking retarded sometimes. Take the soap box you preach upon, and shove it in your pink asshole.

[Heero Valentine]

meh...white people are always whining about racism...
funny how it's racist to shoot black people in a zombie game set in an African setting...
whilst it's alright to shoot white people in zombie games.

today during History...this stupid kid talking about res5 how it was racist...
and i was like...dude...the game is set in africa...what did you expect?
he was completely silent the rest of the hour...dumb fuck.

[Borro]

meh...white people are always whining about racism...
funny how it's racist to shoot black people in a zombie game set in an African setting...
whilst it's alright to shoot white people in zombie games.

today during History...this stupid kid talking about res5 how it was racist...
and i was like...dude...the game is set in africa...what did you expect?
he was completely silent the rest of the hour...dumb fuck.

White people are a bunch of fucking pussies now. People have been sucking up to the black people long enough. I'm tired of their crying about shit that happened 150 years ago. Get the fuck over it already, crybabies.

Goddamn niggz have everyone sucked into their retarded world. Just look at some of the posters here. Trying to be "gangsta" (OMFG my spell check didn't even notice the word "gangsta".) Jesus Christ, WTF is this shit?

I think Charles Manson was ahead of his time by trying to start a race war.

[Locklear]

White people are a bunch of fucking pussies now. People have been sucking up to the black people long enough. I'm tired of their crying about shit that happened 150 years ago. Get the fuck over it already, crybabies.

Goddamn niggz have everyone sucked into their retarded world. Just look at some of the posters here. Trying to be "gangsta" (OMFG my spell check didn't even notice the word "gangsta".) Jesus Christ, WTF is this shit?

I think Charles Manson was ahead of his time by trying to start a race war.

Haha agreed.

Look at the Jews... The holocaust is way more recent than slavery and you don't see the Jews bitching 24/7.

[Heero Valentine]

White people are a bunch of fucking pussies now. People have been sucking up to the black people long enough. I'm tired of their crying about shit that happened 150 years ago. Get the fuck over it already, crybabies.

Goddamn niggz have everyone sucked into their retarded world. Just look at some of the posters here. Trying to be "gangsta" (OMFG my spell check didn't even notice the word "gangsta".) Jesus Christ, WTF is this shit?

I think Charles Manson was ahead of his time by trying to start a race war.

equal treatment is what they're aiming for...but they're not treating black people equal...they're putting them on a fucking throne.
:mad: always the fucking crap about we enslaved them so we should be nice to them.

i don't see why white people should bitch about racism when black people don't give a shit.

[Borro]

the term "nigger lover" comes to mind.

[DC Thug]

lewl?

why can't we all just get along?

[Locklear]

lewl?

why can't we all just get along?

Because we're not all armed.

If everyone in America carried a gun, we'd all think twice about being rude to each other.

We'd be a country of some polite motherfuckers.

[Borro]

Reservoir Dogs kicks ass. I watched all my Tarantino movies last night.

[PlaneswalkerX]

Reservoir Dogs kicks ass. I watched all my Tarantino movies last night.

So that's why your girlfriend promised me you'd be busy all night...

[Josh85]

White people are a bunch of fucking pussies now. People have been sucking up to the black people long enough. I'm tired of their crying about shit that happened 150 years ago. Get the fuck over it already, crybabies.

Goddamn niggz have everyone sucked into their retarded world. Just look at some of the posters here. Trying to be "gangsta" (OMFG my spell check didn't even notice the word "gangsta".) Jesus Christ, WTF is this shit?

I think Charles Manson was ahead of his time by trying to start a race war.

lol. the newer guy at work (who got fired on friday) was black and from the UK. he was hopeless. Sucked so badly it wasn't funny. If anyone yelled at him or got pissed off at him he'd start calling them racist. he threatened to "get his dad onto" Big Pete for being "racist". What sort of 20 year old still needs their daddies to fight for them?

[Locklear]

lol. the newer guy at work (who got fired on friday) was black and from the UK. he was hopeless. Sucked so badly it wasn't funny. If anyone yelled at him or got pissed off at him he'd start calling them racist. he threatened to "get his dad onto" Big Pete for being "racist". What sort of 20 year old still needs their daddies to fight for them?

PWX?

[JACKASS2010]

i cant believe we're still fuking apologizing for slavery. it wasnt even the new generation of blacks anyhow, i dont see why they should get reperations cos they grandaddy or unce got pwned. mind yo own fucking biznezz nigga!

[Borro]

So that's why your girlfriend promised me you'd be busy all night...


No, we had some drinks just chillin. Then I put a dent in her pussy...like I did your momma's. lewl.

[Locklear]

i cant believe we're still fuking apologizing for slavery. it wasnt even the new generation of blacks anyhow, i dont see why they should get reperations cos they grandaddy or unce got pwned. mind yo own fucking biznezz nigga!

Not me...

Personally, I think we should re-instate slavery and really give them something to bitch about.

Seriously, I wish we would re-instate it... Not saying it to be mean or for shock value... I mean no-bullshit I want a fucking slave.

[JACKASS2010]

Not me...

Personally, I think we should re-instate slavery and really give them something to bitch about.

Seriously, I wish we would re-instate it... Not saying it to be mean or for shock value... I mean no-bullshit I want a fucking slave.

do a fritzl

[Locklear]

do a fritzl

I don't speak Jew language.

[JACKASS2010]

u dont pay attn to the news either i see. go to the news forum click the thread and then u'll get it. u still a noob but imma learns ya.

[Borro]

:rofl:I don't speak Jew language.

[ceehound619]

I want a fucking slave.
only thing you SHOULD want is a job.

[Locklear]

u dont pay attn to the news either i see. go to the news forum click the thread and then u'll get it. u still a noob but imma learns ya.

See if I had a fucking slave, I could make his baboon ass go and read the thread and explain it to me.

only thing you SHOULD want is a job.

I do want a job.



.....But I want a fucking slave even more. Are you black? If so when they reinstate slavery, I got dibs on you. You'd hate life.

[ceehound619]

. Are you black? .
your moms black.

[Willow]

your moms black.Holy shit that's weak. You feeling ok, Cee?

[ceehound619]

Holy shit that's weak. You feeling ok, Cee?
no.........can I get a backrub?

[boo_cocky]

Not me...

Personally, I think we should re-instate slavery and really give them something to bitch about.

Seriously, I wish we would re-instate it... Not saying it to be mean or for shock value... I mean no-bullshit I want a fucking slave.

Did your mom raise you to be racist or is that just a cute little quirk you picked up all by your little old self?

lol...I'd love to see you talk like this in public...if you can't even make it through basic training or get a job, I highly doubt you'd make your way to your car if you stated your 'beliefs' in a crowded mall!

Not saying it to be mean or for shock value...I mean, no-bullshit, I can't believe a kid who's apparently had a completely failed life from birth would have the balls to make such a statement.

New Hampshire...teeth and brains not required. :thumb:

[MCMXCII]

Guns create more violence than they prevent. You become just another liability.

If you carry a gun while getting mugged, the muggers are more likely to put you out of your miserable guntodding life.

I would rather have a brain not to do stupid shit, being able to talk myself out of situations and run rather than being all big-dick and "I'm the shit" and stay to get by head blown off.

The only purpose I see for a home-owned gun is for practice range only. Only good as a hobby.

And as athehun said: if you justify your ownership of a gun because it "might" happen that some psycho will open fire at you. Have you ever witnessed such a thing happening? Have you ever been mugged (I have, and I dont see why having a gun would have helped me)? Have you ever been in a robbery? If so, would you say your chances of survival would have improved by pulling out a gun?

In other words, to walk around with a handgun as prevention against trouble is the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

Speaking of reinstating things, I personally believe it would be a great idea to revoke the independance of the USA, seeming as you guys cannot take care of yourselves or your country without the assistance of therapists, lawyers and guns everywhere. And your foreign policy... I am not even going into that or I'll be here for the next 5 years to come...

[boo_cocky]

Speaking of reinstating things, I personally believe it would be a great idea to revoke the independance of the USA,
Revoke? lol
Our Independence isn't something that another country 'gave' to us...our forefathers established it.

Although, the land was stolen from my 'other' forefathers, but that's another story...

...seeming as you guys cannot take care of yourselves or your country without the assistance of therapists, lawyers and guns everywhere.
That's a pretty generalized statement, and not really fair.

As a whole, the USA does a very good job taking care of the country and our own. It's the world's Super Power, so how do you justify your statement? Not only do we care for ourselves, we help care for many other countries.

I'm hoping you just ranted this post off without putting much thought into it, because it's really not very well thought out or accurate.


As for our Right to Bear Arms? Yeah, it's in our Constitution and there have been plenty of laws put in place to insure that proper training and a thorough background check is put in place prior to a license being granted.

Again, check your facts...the crimes being committed here aren't being committed by Licensed Gun Carriers, they're being committed by the thugs who bought their guns off the black market. Imagine living in a country where only the criminals had guns...???

[MCMXCII]

Revoke? lol
Our Independence isn't something that another country 'gave' to us...our forefathers established it.

Although, the land was stolen from my 'other' forefathers, but that's another story...


That's a pretty generalized statement, and not really fair.

As a whole, the USA does a very good job taking care of the country and our own. It's the world's Super Power, so how do you justify your statement? Not only do we care for ourselves, we help care for many other countries.

I'm hoping you just ranted this post off without putting much thought into it, because it's really not very well thought out or accurate.


As for our Right to Bear Arms? Yeah, it's in our Constitution and there have been plenty of laws put in place to insure that proper training and a thorough background check is put in place prior to a license being granted.

Again, check your facts...the crimes being committed here aren't being committed by Licensed Gun Carriers, they're being committed by the thugs who bought their guns off the black market. Imagine living in a country where only the criminals had guns...???

I wouldn't say it is practically applicable to revoke the independance of the USA, but it's definatly an amusing though, something to play around with. I am generally against putting everyone in the same basket, and I personally know some great americans.

Well, I have heard background checks are not as idiotproof as some people would like to think they are.

As for a society where only thugs have guns, that would be a disaster, but if the police has them too, it's fine by me. Look at Sweden for example. We have very little gun violence, because we don't have licensed carriers putting firearms into circulation. Where do you think the black market guns come from? Yes, some are imported, but some of them also come from "legit" backgrounds, except their serials have been "shaved".

[boo_cocky]

I wouldn't say it is practically applicable to revoke the independance of the USA, but it's definatly an amusing though, something to play around with. I am generally against putting everyone in the same basket, and I personally know some great americans.

Well, I have heard background checks are not as idiotproof as some people would like to think they are.

As for a society where only thugs have guns, that would be a disaster, but if the police has them too, it's fine by me. Look at Sweden for example. We have very little gun violence, because we don't have licensed carriers putting firearms into circulation. Where do you think the black market guns come from? Yes, some are imported, but some of them also come from "legit" backgrounds, except their serials have been "shaved".

I'm going through a background check right now, and it's going to take two months...they are literally checking EVERYTHING, and there is a possibility that I won't get my license if my two day hospital stay for alcohol related blood pressure/liver enzymes issues is dug up. If I so much as pick my nose and flick the booger, they'll know it's me by the fingerprints on it! lol

They're pretty hardcore nowadays...if you get a DUI, LIFETIME ban from ever being licensed...any form of domestic violence arrest, LIFETIME ban from ever being licensed...alcohol/drug rehabilation, LIFETIME ban. And, if you have guns, and get in any form of trouble, they literally come and take your guns away and suspend your license for LIFE.

I know places like Denmark, Sweden, even Japan are astronomically lower in crime than here in the States. I think part of it is culture...Denmark and Sweden are also two of the happiest/lowest stress places to live on the planet according to surveys...and Japan's strict criminal laws are deterrent enough to keep Charles Manson on the straight and narrow.

There is a lot of crime in America, especially in comparison to places like that...but, I don't think it's as bad as people may think. I've only been near criminal gun fire once in my entire life, and I had no business being where I was at the time of it happening.

[MCMXCII]

I'm going through a background check right now, and it's going to take two months...they are literally checking EVERYTHING, and there is a possibility that I won't get my license if my two day hospital stay for alcohol related blood pressure/liver enzymes issues is dug up. If I so much as pick my nose and flick the booger, they'll know it's me by the fingerprints on it! lol

They're pretty hardcore nowadays...if you get a DUI, LIFETIME ban from ever being licensed...any form of domestic violence arrest, LIFETIME ban from ever being licensed...alcohol/drug rehabilation, LIFETIME ban. And, if you have guns, and get in any form of trouble, they literally come and take your guns away and suspend your license for LIFE.

I know places like Denmark, Sweden, even Japan are astronomically lower in crime than here in the States. I think part of it is culture...Denmark and Sweden are also two of the happiest/lowest stress places to live on the planet according to surveys...and Japan's strict criminal laws are deterrent enough to keep Charles Manson on the straight and narrow.

There is a lot of crime in America, especially in comparison to places like that...but, I don't think it's as bad as people may think. I've only been near criminal gun fire once in my entire life, and I had no business being where I was at the time of it happening.

What's the offence necessary to get a lifetime ban from FileCabi? Insulting a mod? :p

I get your point, and I hope you heed mine as well.

Shall we agree to disagree?

[sib]

Fuck it, duel!


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[boo_cocky]

What's the offence necessary to get a lifetime ban from FileCabi? Insulting a mod? :p

I get your point, and I hope you heed mine as well.

Shall we agree to disagree?

I thought I had ten lifetime sentences...if I can get off, anyone can...haha

Yeah, I hear you...and honestly, if I'd never been to America and read the news, I'd never step foot on this soil.

I hear shit about Miami all the time, and I have no interest in visiting there, but people I know tell me it's a great place. Just sounds like if you go there, you're walking into a drug war zone.

[MCMXCII]

Actually, I have been to America. A long time ago. Florida, Miami, West Palm Beach. But that's the only time. I am being less and less interested in going there, but I think my curiosity is getting the upper hand. I can't really judge by the news right? I have to go there myself, see what it's like.

[boo_cocky]

Actually, I have been to America. A long time ago. Florida, Miami, West Palm Beach. But that's the only time. I am being less and less interested in going there, but I think my curiosity is getting the upper hand. I can't really judge by the news right? I have to go there myself, see what it's like.

Yeah, but like I said...it's not as bad as the news makes it out, but you won't see me hurrying down to Miami...lol...I just hear too many horror stories on the news and knowing my luck I'd take a wrong turn into Tony Montana's driveway or something.

The only place you're really going to see some shit is in the poor sections of inner cities...and unless you're trying to score crack or welfare pussy, why would you go there?

[DC Thug]

Actually, I have been to America. A long time ago. Florida, Miami, West Palm Beach. But that's the only time. I am being less and less interested in going there, but I think my curiosity is getting the upper hand. I can't really judge by the news right? I have to go there myself, see what it's like.


WPB is a hole. dude, that place totally sucks. i mean, there are NO beaches. water goes right up to the concrete. strangest thing i've ever seen

[ceehound619]

The only purpose I see for a home-owned gun is for practice range only. Only good as a hobby.

..
yeah????....well when the bad guys kick in your door and rob/kill you, you can thank yourself for becoming a victim.....bottom line is that its an evil world.......and if you are'nt prepared to defend yourself then you assist in becoming a victim......and I hope you dont have kids.....because it is EVERYONES duty as a parent to protect them.

[boo_cocky]

yeah????....well when the bad guys kick in your door and rob/kill you, you can thank yourself for becoming a victim.....bottom line is that its an evil world.......and if you are'nt prepared to defend yourself then you assist in becoming a victim......and I hope you dont have kids.....because it is EVERYONES duty as a parent to protect them.

I don't 'disagree' with you...but, let's be honest, man...

The CHANCES of your door being kicked in with someone who wants to rob/kill you is LITERALLY slim to none...depending on your lifestyle.

Trouble attracts trouble...generally speaking...yes, there are those 0.01% situations that take place, which is part of the reason I have a gun...but, I have a better chance of fucking Megan Fox than 'needing' my gun to protect my family's or my life.

Shooting is a lot of fun, though...and I do feel 'better' knowing that I'm armed...it's kinda like me having a 12" cock, I know I'll never need it all, but it's nice to know it's there, just in case. :thumb:

[ceehound619]

...depending on your lifestyle.

:thumb:
AND...depending on your address........other then that....good post.

[JACKASS2010]

AND...depending on your address........other then that....good post.

cee... i'm sure we've went over the difference between "then" and "than" before but it seems you have reverted to your old ways once again. don't make me throw yo ass back in school!

[MCMXCII]

yeah????....well when the bad guys kick in your door and rob/kill you, you can thank yourself for becoming a victim.....bottom line is that its an evil world.......and if you are'nt prepared to defend yourself then you assist in becoming a victim......and I hope you dont have kids.....because it is EVERYONES duty as a parent to protect them.

Seriously, your efforts are really cute, they are. But there is no way you are convincing me that I need to have a gun in my home. That is just one of your yankee quirks that started back in the day of the redcoats and that kind of shit. You just keep applying TO THE LETTER the oldest (unaltered) consitution in the world, thinking it will be up to date.

You just live in paranoia if you think that will be required to "defend" yourself. And speaking of kids, what happens when they want to "play" with daddy's toys at school, shooting some dork who stole their lunchbox?

I still do not believe I need a gun for protection or even that it will help solve anything. According to me, it will just put you in the slightly deeper bucket of shit.

[ceehound619]

cee... i'm sure we've went over the difference between "then" and "than" before but it seems you have reverted to your old ways once again. don't make me throw yo ass back in school!
ffs.....give it up already. lols

[ceehound619]

Seriously, your efforts are really cute, they are. But there is no way you are convincing me that I need to have a gun in my home. That is just one of your yankee quirks that started back in the day of the redcoats and that kind of shit. You just keep applying TO THE LETTER the oldest (unaltered) consitution in the world, thinking it will be up to date.

You just live in paranoia if you think that will be required to "defend" yourself. And speaking of kids, what happens when they want to "play" with daddy's toys at school, shooting some dork who stole their lunchbox?

I still do not believe I need a gun for protection or even that it will help solve anything. According to me, it will just put you in the slightly deeper bucket of shit.
I keep my gun locked....it is a felony to allow a child to access it.... I dont like felonies.......far as being paranoid......people do get their doors kicked in......I could post 100 news links of just that happening in southern california alone......so the "paranoia" u speak of is some peoples reality.........we agree to disagree.....by the way...calling me a "yank" speaks volumes regarding your true personna.

[JACKASS2010]

ffs.....give it up already. lols

NO! i will fix your bastardization of the english language god damnit!

[tammypants]

I have a baseball bat under my bed :)

[ceehound619]

NO! i will fix your bastardization of the english language god damnit!
dont you have anything better to do then that? lols

[ceehound619]

I have a baseball bat under my bed :)
mines in my pants.

[MCMXCII]

I keep my gun locked....it is a felony to allow a child to access it.... I dont like felonies.......far as being paranoid......people do get their doors kicked in......I could post 100 news links of just that happening in southern california alone......so the "paranoia" u speak of is some peoples reality.........we agree to disagree.....by the way...calling me a "yank" speaks volumes regarding your true personna.

What does it say about my persona Doc. Freud?

I am just using the term "yank" as a reference to all north americans. I know the ethymology of the word, and will not be lectured by some fake college student about what a yank is and what it is not. Yank = slang for american. At least outside of the US.

[ceehound619]

What does it say about my persona Doc. Freud?

I am just using the term "yank" as a reference to all north americans. I know the ethymology of the word, and will not be lectured by some fake college student about what a yank is and what it is not. Yank = slang for american. At least outside of the US.
well some american people dont appreciate the term yank..........fake college student??? you pull that out of your ass or something??.....lecture???....aint worth my time noob.

[MCMXCII]

well some american people dont appreciate the term yank..........fake college student??? you pull that out of your ass or something??.....lecture???....aint worth my time noob.

Sorry, cee, I had you confused with PWX... :omg:

Well not many people like a derrogatory nickname. Why should it be any different for americans?

[ceehound619]

Sorry, cee, I had you confused with PWX... :omg:

that is the type of mistake a "mongo" would make.

[MCMXCII]

that is the type of mistake a "mongo" would make.

Or was it a misstake? :rolleyes2:

[JACKASS2010]

dont you have anything better to do then that? lols

:banghead:

Edit : *mistake. one "s"

[ceehound619]

lols

[DC Thug]

i've said it before, and here it is again:

better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

any reasonable person will take gun safety with deadly seriousness. mine is in a locked hard case. i also have a gun lock on the gun, if i were to need to use it. just like one doesn't go driving drunk, one must keep their weapons safe. it pisses me the fuck off when fucktards to stupid shit like shoot themselves in the leg because they chamber a fucking round while they are strapped. those people don't deserve the right to bear arms.

but you're right in saying you wouldn't have gun accidents without having a gun. but then again you wouldn't get into a car accident without a car. it's a part of life here the wild west. it's the price of doing business.

[ceehound619]

but then again you wouldn't get into a car accident without a car. it's a part of life here the wild west. it's the price of doing business.
EXACTLY....people get stabbed with knives and beaten to death with bats.....so how bout a 10 day waiting period on those items as well.

[MCMXCII]

i've said it before, and here it is again:

better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it.

any reasonable person will take gun safety with deadly seriousness. mine is in a locked hard case. i also have a gun lock on the gun, if i were to need to use it. just like one doesn't go driving drunk, one must keep their weapons safe. it pisses me the fuck off when fucktards to stupid shit like shoot themselves in the leg because they chamber a fucking round while they are strapped. those people don't deserve the right to bear arms.

but you're right in saying you wouldn't have gun accidents without having a gun. but then again you wouldn't get into a car accident without a car. it's a part of life here the wild west. it's the price of doing business.

And you think that if someone "kicks your door in", you will have the time to rush out of bed, open the hardcase, unlock the gun, get into position and shoot your aggressors?

[ceehound619]

And you think that if someone "kicks your door in", you will have the time to rush out of bed, open the hardcase, unlock the gun, get into position and shoot your aggressors?
my 12 guage stays loaded right next to my bed(at night).....safety on...by the time I hear the door splintering..... im going to be racking the pump.

[DC Thug]

And you think that if someone "kicks your door in", you will have the time to rush out of bed, open the hardcase, unlock the gun, get into position and shoot your aggressors?


you'd be surprised how often i've practiced. my gun is right at the head of my bed, as is the key to the lock.

:D

[MCMXCII]

Keeping your guns safe. Is that safe? Having a loaded shotgun by the bed?

[ceehound619]

Keeping your guns safe. Is that safe? Having a loaded shotgun by the bed?
at night....with my bedroom door locked??? yes it is safe......well....not safe for anyone stupid enough to threaten my family/home.

[DC Thug]

well what he means is that there is a physical mechanism which prevents an accidental discharge of the weapon. so if he were to fiddle with it while asleep (does that happen? lol) it doesn't accidentally blow off his foot.

mine i keep the chamber clear. my personal piece is not user friendly. the spring is pretty tight so to chamber it, you have to put some force into it. plus, i have a 12 pound trigger pull. that means, if you're going to shoot something, you're consciously pulling hard on the trigger to do so

[DC Thug]

another thing, the location where you live definitely affects your perception. having lived in a crime-ridden neighborhood, you get more conscious of your own safety. my current town is full of fucking meth heads who break into cars for ANYTHING. they ripped out a goddamn $20 cd player from my car and crowbarred my glove box for nothing.

in DC, i was strolling through a bona fide ghetto where i feared for my life every second i was there. until you've lived in those kinds of areas, you can't really understand the importance of personal protection.

[ceehound619]

another thing, the location where you live definitely affects your perception. having lived in a crime-ridden neighborhood, you get more conscious of your own safety. my current town is full of fucking meth heads who break into cars for ANYTHING. they ripped out a goddamn $20 cd player from my car and crowbarred my glove box for nothing.

in DC, i was strolling through a bona fide ghetto where i feared for my life every second i was there. until you've lived in those kinds of areas, you can't really understand the importance of personal protection.
yeah exactly....... I wonder if "mcmxcll" lives next to neighbors who have had their house/sheds broken into like I do??.....that would change his perception perhaps?