Abortion...

[MCMXCII]

FileCabi has probably seen this debate more than once, and I am sorry to bring it up. What do you guys think?

I almost knocked a girl up, and I am very grateful that abortion is legal in Sweden. To me, the child is not properly "alive" in the sense that it is not conscious, until at least, it is born.

[!NV!CTUS]

heartless..

Sorry, but i really think abortion is heartless..

you have the right to Choose (for me) i think before having sex, whether you are having Unsafe sex -which might lead to being pregnant and or getting your gf pregnant or you gonna use the protection.

i think those are the only choices you have.
That's my opinion.

[MCMXCII]

So what if you choose safe sex, but the condom breaks or the pill is not working properly because of medical interactions or something like that? Shit happens.

Would you want to be stuck with a child you did not intend to have? What kind of life would that kid have? Be left at an orphanarium? Have alcoholic parents that just dont give a shit and neglect the child?

I do believe that if you do not want a child, you should have safe sex. Abortion is not a substitute for that, but I believe it should be there as a last resort, and only as a last option.

[Seamus]

Would you say that if got pregnant after being raped Cai?

[UncoverReality]

Would you want to be stuck with a child you did not intend to have? What kind of life would that kid have? Be left at an orphanarium? Have alcoholic parents that just dont give a shit and neglect the child?

There are plenty of couples that cannot have children who would gladly take the child off your hands and give it a good life

[UncoverReality]

Would you say that if got pregnant after being raped Cai?

That is always an exceptional case and doesn't stand as a real argument for pro-abortion, in my opinion. If a girl has had sex forced on her and becomes pregnant as a result, she has a right to do whatever makes her happy. The majority of abortions do not occur because of rape, though. They are generally lifestyle decisions.

[JACKASS2010]

i think you should be allowed to abort kids right up until their 16th birthday.

that's all i'll say.

you figure it out.

[Seamus]

That is always an exceptional case and doesn't stand as a real argument for pro-abortion, in my opinion. If a girl has had sex forced on her and becomes pregnant as a result, she has a right to do whatever makes her happy. The majority of abortions do not occur because of rape, though. They are generally lifestyle decisions.






''Doesn't stand as a real argument'' but i thought we were arguing abortion?

Aborting a child after rape is still aborting a child, is it not UndercoverReality?

[JACKASS2010]

seamus... you really need on that reading to typing thing...

UNCOVER not undercover.

:omg:

[UncoverReality]

''Doesn't stand as a real argument'' but i thought we were arguing abortion?

Aborting a child after rape is still aborting a child, is it not UndercoverReality?

Absolutely, but your argument is a scare tactic and does not add real value to the pro-choice campaign, in my opinion. It's an extreme case scenario when the real issue is people having abortions simply because it suits them.

If my daughter was raped and fell pregnant, she would be my only priority and I would do whatever she chooses to do. If my daughter had sex out of choice and fell pregnant, I would react very differently.

All I'm saying is that an argument is much stronger if you do not use extreme cases to support it.

[Seamus]

Don't correct me boy!

[MCMXCII]

That is always an exceptional case and doesn't stand as a real argument for pro-abortion, in my opinion. If a girl has had sex forced on her and becomes pregnant as a result, she has a right to do whatever makes her happy. The majority of abortions do not occur because of rape, though. They are generally lifestyle decisions.

True. Abortion should only be made exceptionally, in very specific situations.

HOWEVER: it should be legal and performed in safe and sanitary conditions when there is a need for them. The problem with illegalising and stigmatising abortion is that the women become the victims: they have to go to some trailer where a failed med. student picks out a dirty clothehanger to poke the baby out.

Which is why I believe abortion should be legalised.

[Seamus]

Absolutely, but your argument is a scare tactic and does not add real value to the pro-choice campaign, in my opinion. It's an extreme case scenario when the real issue is people having abortions simply because it suits them.

If my daughter was raped and fell pregnant, she would be my only priority and I would do whatever she chooses to do. If my daughter had sex out of choice and fell pregnant, I would react very differently.

All I'm saying is that an argument is much stronger if you do not use extreme cases to support it.




What if your daughter was 12 and the father was the same age? Happens!

[ICE420]

Pro Choice.

[Josh85]

I dunno when it comes to abortion.

Like sometimes I think life is that much of a miracle as it is, it's kind of sad to not even give it a chance.

You know.. like maybe everyone deserves a chance at life. So there is some degree of sadness to abortion. To say that they're not "really alive" yet doesn't count. They WOULD have a future ahead of them. A future full of experiences and decisions, memories and emotions.

When it comes to rape victoms I think abortion is not so bad though.

Then again despite what i said about everyone deserving a chance at life, i also don't mind abortion too much because this world is already overpopulated as it is. So I don't really have an answer. Also there's heaps of low income people who keep having babies but can't afford to look after them. And many times it's just the right decision to not bring a life into this world if you can't properly look after it.

But then again most people do their best even if they haven't got all the resources.

So I don't fucken know.

If I knocked a girl up though I'd want her to keep it. Even if that meant I had to pay child support for the rest of my life if we weren't together. Coz at least that means I've created a legacy in some way. You'd still do ur best to turn ur kid into a good person and make a good life for 'em.

Hell I want to make children now but I haven't even got a girlfriend so that makes things hard.

Hey Cai you want to have my babies right?

[UncoverReality]

What if your daughter was 12 and the father was the same age? Happens!

Yes, shit happens. It's called life. And how we react to what life throws at us is what determines our legacy. If my daughter had a child at 12, although as tragic as it would be, having her go through an abortion is not something I would want. It would be just as much a reflection on my parenting and I would do everything in my power to help her and a child.

I remember many years ago here, a certain shitty tabloid newspaper ridiculed Britains youngest father. They put them on the front of the page for everyone to frown upon. The thing is though, all these years later, he is still with the mother & is working his balls off to make ends meet. I have a huge amount of respect for him. He fucked up but has made up for it a million times over

If you're entire argument here is going to be simply asking questions, let me retort by asking you one.

What about the majority of cases whereby abortion it is a lifestyle choice? i.e. aborting a child simply because it would be an inconvenience?

[UncoverReality]

True. Abortion should only be made exceptionally, in very specific situations.

HOWEVER: it should be legal and performed in safe and sanitary conditions when there is a need for them. The problem with illegalising and stigmatising abortion is that the women become the victims: they have to go to some trailer where a failed med. student picks out a dirty clothehanger to poke the baby out.

Which is why I believe abortion should be legalised.

I have no real problem with abortion being legalised. I'm ok with people having the choice. It doesn't mean I agree with their choice, though and in particular, abortion as a lifestyle choice is not something I agree with.

[MCMXCII]

I have no real problem with abortion being legalised. I'm ok with people having the choice. It doesn't mean I agree with their choice, though and in particular, abortion as a lifestyle choice is not something I agree with.

As previously stated, abortion should only be used as last possible option.

If you don't want a kid, have safe sex. That is what I believe. If the "safe sex" fails for some reason, would you consider an abortion to be a "lifestyle" choice?

[UncoverReality]

As previously stated, abortion should only be used as last possible option.

If you don't want a kid, have safe sex. That is what I believe. If the "safe sex" fails for some reason, would you consider an abortion to be a "lifestyle" choice?

Well, yes, in most cases. Especially with the morning after pill so widely available in the west. I'm cool with people using the morning after pill for exactly this scenario but I just don't think it's cool to abort a 20-something week old child. Besides extreme cases, I've never heard a strong enough argument to change my mind.

I'm 25, I've been with my girlfriend for 7 years and although we both want kids at a young age, we are first securing our future (mainly financially) as much as we possibly can. If safe sex failed for us we'd deal with the consequences. There really is no accident when it comes to making a baby, in my opinion. Having a baby isn't easy. That's why they use the expression 'trying for a baby'. If you put yourself in the situation in the first place, then how can we see it as an accident. Unplanned, yes, an accident, not really.

[MCMXCII]

Well, yes, in most cases. Especially with the morning after pill so widely available in the west. I'm cool with people using the morning after pill for exactly this scenario but I just don't think it's cool to abort a 20-something week old child. Besides extreme cases, I've never heard a strong enough argument to change my mind.

I'm 25, I've been with my girlfriend for 7 years and although we both want kids at a young age, we are first securing our future (mainly financially) as much as we possibly can. If safe sex failed for us we'd deal with the consequences. There really is no accident when it comes to making a baby, in my opinion. Having a baby isn't easy. That's why they use the expression 'trying for a baby'. If you put yourself in the situation in the first place, then how can we see it as an accident. Unplanned, yes, an accident, not really.

So you're saying if you don't want a baby, don't have sex?

[Seamus]

ohhhhh ''Up the Bum'' no harm done! '' Up the fanny'' yer mammy's a granny!

[UncoverReality]

So you're saying if you don't want a baby, don't have sex?

Not at all.

What I'm saying is, if you put yourself in a situation where you are aware of the possible consequences, it can't really be considered an accident, especially with the option of the morning after pill. As I said, I believe people should have the choice, I just don't agree with it.

[UncoverReality]

ohhhhh ''Up the Bum'' no harm done! '' Up the fanny'' yer mammy's a granny!

'Up the bum, lot's of fun, no babies'. <- That was the version I heard at school. lol

That doesn't answer the question I asked you, though.

[MCMXCII]

Not at all.

What I'm saying is, if you put yourself in a situation where you are aware of the possible consequences, it can't really be considered an accident, especially with the option of the morning after pill. As I said, I believe people should have the choice, I just don't agree with it.

You haven't been in that situation, have you?

I believe you would feel otherwise if you had.

[Borro]

http://www.motifake.com/demotivational-poster/0901/abortion-demotivational-poster-1232949166.jpg

[Seamus]

Yes if it were my kid i would want her to have it! Even if we didn't stay together. I would always do whats right in that way. But if a girlfriend/daughter of mine got raped it would be a different story. That's why i voted pro choice.

[UncoverReality]

You haven't been in that situation, have you?

I believe you would feel otherwise if you had.

Yes, in fact, it was even more complicated. I was 16, she was 20 and her boyfriend was a hell of a lot bigger than me. She took the morning after pill and missed two periods. The stress was horrible. Just waiting & not really knowing what she would do if the tests were positive.

Although I was shitting myself, I always knew abortion was the wrong answer for me. It's simply how I was brought up. It's not something I would have wanted. I actually think I was more scared that she would have an abortion & there was fuck all I could have done about it.

Different strokes for different folks.

[Heero Valentine]

i'm in favor of pro choice but there's something that makes doubt about it.

you've the choice to do whatever you want...but i'm going to guess that a big part of those abortions are cause off teenagers who were to careless to use protection.

in case of rape, breakage of the condom or not working of any other contraceptive...pro choice...otherwise...if you're just another dumb teenager...have the kid and put it up for adoption. lots of people who can't get kids but want to.

[MCMXCII]

Yes, in fact, it was even more complicated. I was 16, she was 20 and her boyfriend was a hell of a lot bigger than me. She took the morning after pill and missed two periods. The stress was horrible. Just waiting & not really knowing what she would do if the tests were positive.

Although I was shitting myself, I always knew abortion was the wrong answer for me. It's simply how I was brought up. It's not something I would have wanted. I actually think I was more scared that she would have an abortion & there was fuck all I could have done about it.

Different strokes for different folks.

You were more scared that she would have an abortion so you could both just forget about the whole thing, than actually having a kid at age 16 with a non-single woman 4 years older than you!? :wth:

[!NV!CTUS]

There are plenty of couples that cannot have children who would gladly take the child off your hands and give it a good life
Exactly.


That is always an exceptional case and doesn't stand as a real argument for pro-abortion, in my opinion. If a girl has had sex forced on her and becomes pregnant as a result, she has a right to do whatever makes her happy. The majority of abortions do not occur because of rape, though. They are generally lifestyle decisions.
I second to this..



Would you say that if got pregnant after being raped Cai?
proving your stupidity again.

Seriously honey, I got the hots for british -you are ruining it for me.:(

[MCMXCII]

proving your stupidity again.

Seriously honey, I got the hots for british -you are ruining it for me.:(

PHAIL! He is Irish if I remember correctly.

Also, answer the question. What if you get raped?

[!NV!CTUS]

True. Abortion should only be made exceptionally, in very specific situations.

HOWEVER: it should be legal and performed in safe and sanitary conditions when there is a need for them.



give me a good example, except the rape scenario.

[boo_cocky]

100% Pro-Life.

The argument that it's not a life and won't survive outside the mother is just a joke. If you leave a newborn in it's crib, with no food and no human contact, it won't survive either.

No reason to kill an innocent life, aside from self-centerdness and convenience.

I was going to post a picture of an abortion, to show how detailed the child is (it's a human, certainly not a rabbit)...but, I better not post it here.

Anyway...

[Musicman58]

just do w/e the fuck you want.

[!NV!CTUS]

So what if you choose safe sex, but the condom breaks or the pill is not working properly because of medical interactions or something like that? Shit happens. .

condom breaks?? wtf, how old would a condom be, before it becomes brittle?

Pills, well that's not an excuse either.

If you are taking pills-You should know what and when to eat/drink/take em.

Whats the use of taking the stupid pills if your not gonna follow the instructions that comes along with it.

I always believe that you are responsible for your action. If you took the risk you better be ready for the consequences.

This is just me. Everyone is entitle to their opinion. :thumb:

If you think killing your child is okay- fine by me. Tis your child not mine.

[Musicman58]

well it's not really a child at that point, it's mindless. so I don't give a shit.

[UncoverReality]

condom breaks?? wtf, how old would a condom be, before it becomes brittle?


A condom can 'break' for a variety of different reasons. Air bubbles being the most common, I guess.

[!NV!CTUS]

PHAIL! He is Irish if I remember correctly.

Also, answer the question. What if you get raped?

i will go thru the pregnancy. Still my child. If i can't stand the child, i'l send her/him to my relatives/friends who can't have their own child.

if sea is Irish, then thank god.

Still got the hots for British.:thumb:

[MCMXCII]

i will go thru the pregnancy. Still my child. If i can't stand the child, i'l send her/him to my relatives/friends who can't have their own child.

if sea is Irish, then thank god.

Still got the hots for British.:thumb:

That just does not compute in my world. Sorry.

[UncoverReality]

You were more scared that she would have an abortion so you could both just forget about the whole thing, than actually having a kid at age 16 with a non-single woman 4 years older than you!? :wth:

I was more scared that I wouldn't have had a say in the matter, dude.

Sure, the 'easy' thing would have been abortion but I put myself in that situation in the first place so I would have to deal with it. It's how I was brought up. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

Am I glad she wasn't pregnant, though? Fucking right I am.

[Heero Valentine]

100% Pro-Life.

The argument that it's not a life and won't survive outside the mother is just a joke. If you leave a newborn in it's crib, with no food and no human contact, it won't survive either.

No reason to kill an innocent life, aside from self-centerdness and convenience.

I was going to post a picture of an abortion, to show how detailed the child is (it's a human, certainly not a rabbit)...but, I better not post it here.

Anyway...

:omg: great you're the kind who has no solid argument and the only thing you do is shove a picture of an aborted baby in my face...too bad i ain't a girl cause i'd abort my baby and eat it whilst you'd be tied to a chair watching it all.

condom breaks?? wtf, how old would a condom be, before it becomes brittle?

Pills, well that's not an excuse either.

If you are taking pills-You should know what and when to eat/drink/take em.

Whats the use of taking the stupid pills if your not gonna follow the instructions that comes along with it.

I always believe that you are responsible for your action. If you took the risk you better be ready for the consequences.

This is just me. Everyone is entitle to their opinion. :thumb:

If you think killing your child is okay- fine by me. Tis your child not mine.

pill don't protect you for 100%.
and i've had a few times the condom almost slipped off and one time i even had to fish it out O_o.
lucky no semen was spilled cause otherwise we would've been fucked.

[boo_cocky]

condom breaks?? wtf, how old would a condom be, before it becomes brittle?

You've never had a condom break during sex?

I've had several break, back when I used them. It happens.

[Heero Valentine]

You've never had a condom break during sex?

I've had several break, back when I used them. It happens.

:thumb: yes hurray for the pill...
:mad: condoms suck!

[Josh85]

I've only had like 500 condoms break during sex.

But that's actually a small percentage compared to how many times i've had sex.

Like 0.05% really.

But it DOES happen.

[JooX]

I've only had like 500 condoms break during sex.

But that's actually a small percentage compared to how many times i've had sex.

Like 0.05% really.

But it DOES happen.


I think this discussion is for people who dont kill, cut up, and then bury the bodies after the sex part.

So you are safe there. :thumb:

[MCMXCII]

I was more scared that I wouldn't have had a say in the matter, dude.

Sure, the 'easy' thing would have been abortion but I put myself in that situation in the first place so I would have to deal with it. It's how I was brought up. Is it really that hard to comprehend?

Am I glad she wasn't pregnant, though? Fucking right I am.

So why not take the easy way out? It's EASY for a reason...

[Heero Valentine]

So why not take the easy way out? It's EASY for a reason...

nah suffer for nine months and then sell it on Ebay!

[sib]

Pro falcon punch.

[MCMXCII]

Pro falcon punch.

I was waiting for someone to say that! :D

[Seamus]

Exactly.



I second to this..




proving your stupidity again.

Seriously honey, I got the hots for british -you are ruining it for me.:(


Jesus I only asked you a fair question! Calm down betty.

[evil ernie]

i am a supporter of Plan A.

but i do believe it should be strictly regulated ... if you leave it to late ... then you fucked up twice ... and now have to push it out .... don't want 8 month babies aborted ... but when it still has a flipper for a hand and no nervous system or brain ... then i say up to the girl to decide ....

[Cheb]

Too close to murder if you ask me. The only way I would support it is if giving birth was a danger to the mother. The only way I would understand it, but not support it, is if she got pregnant after getting raped. If they made the mistake of getting pregnant when they didn't want a child, they should pay for that mistake. Even though I can't really say they would be "paying" for it. Maybe it would be a blessing oO

[!NV!CTUS]

Too close to murder if you ask me. The only way I would support it is if giving birth was a danger to the mother. The only way I would understand it, but not support it, is if she got pregnant after getting raped. If they made the mistake of getting pregnant when they didn't want a child, they should pay for that mistake. Even though I can't really say they would be "paying" for it. Maybe it would be a blessing oO



best answer ever..

rep coming sir.

[!NV!CTUS]

Jesus I only asked you a fair question! Calm down betty.

nah, you wer trying to be a smartarse..:thumb:

[Heero Valentine]

best answer ever..

rep coming sir.

:mad: mine was better...

[tgd_02]

a woman should have the rite to choose, after all it is up to her and her body to deliver what she is carrying
if she chooses to abort it, i dont see it as her ending a life, because i dont believe the fetus has the senses that would qualify it as being "alive" (to a certain xtent though)

most ppl that support pro life dont even consider women who have been raped or have been sexually assaulted by someone in their own family

uhhh
lewl gg

[Heero Valentine]

a woman should have the rite to choose, after all it is up to her and her body to deliver what she is carrying
if she chooses to abort it, i dont see it as her ending a life, because i dont believe the fetus has the senses that would qualify it as being "alive" (to a certain xtent though)

most ppl that support pro life dont even consider women who have been raped or have been sexually assaulted by someone in their own family

uhhh
lewl gg

3 witnesses or she's going to get her whore arse stoned to death cause it didn't happen lewl

[tgd_02]

Too close to murder if you ask me. The only way I would support it is if giving birth was a danger to the mother. The only way I would understand it, but not support it, is if she got pregnant after getting raped. If they made the mistake of getting pregnant when they didn't want a child, they should pay for that mistake. Even though I can't really say they would be "paying" for it. Maybe it would be a blessing oO
thats the prob though cheb, parents dont end up "paying for the mistake"
the kids themselves end up paying for it, either by growing up in broken homes, or in devastating conditions
and thats why in 3rd world countries there are so many dying and suffering kids, either because a lack of contraception or because abortion has not been established in that community
id rather see a dead fetus than a slowly dying, starving, AIDS infected child live through his/her brief life
imo

[!NV!CTUS]

:mad: mine was better...

nope, nope, nope..
:p

[tgd_02]

i will go thru the pregnancy. Still my child. If i can't stand the child, i'l send her/him to my relatives/friends who can't have their own child.

if sea is Irish, then thank god.

Still got the hots for British.:thumb:
wow yea! great answer there! :rolleyes2:
burden the rest of society because
A. the person was stupid to have a child
B. A rape produced child? yea thats going to be a fun conversation when the child asks wheres my dad, rite?
C. uh idk wut else just this answer seemd rly stupid
and im doing 2 things at once @_@
fucklin skool

[Heero Valentine]

nope, nope, nope..
:p

arguments or else i win.

@tgd

you got a point there...teenagers make stupid mistakes...but most of them end up caring for a child whilst they're still a child themselves and most of the times they don't make it (unable to finish an education and shit)

but still...adoption ftw in that case...
well that doesn't works in 3rd world countries but still...

[boo_cocky]

thats the prob though cheb, parents dont end up "paying for the mistake"
the kids themselves end up paying for it, either by growing up in broken homes, or in devastating conditions
and thats why in 3rd world countries there are so many dying and suffering kids, either because a lack of contraception or because abortion has not been established in that community
id rather see a dead fetus than a slowly dying, starving, AIDS infected child live through his/her brief life
imo

We all have pain, heartache and misery in life...and we all have happiness, joy and pleasure.

Do you think it's better to kill a child so it doesn't have the chance to live a 'bad' life?

I think having AIDS is a 'bad' life...but man, there's a LOT of AIDS victims out there who are HAPPIER with their miserable lives than I am with my decent life...I'm sure they are still happy to have been able to breathe, taste, see, enjoy the good of life with the bad. They appreciate the little things and love life, even though they are faced with hardship.

I guess my point is...it's not for US to choose that child's outcome...the child doesn't get a choice, why should we? It's the CHILD'S life...imo

[tgd_02]

We all have pain, heartache and misery in life...and we all have happiness, joy and pleasure.

Do you think it's better to kill a child so it doesn't have the chance to live a 'bad' life?

I think having AIDS is a 'bad' life...but man, there's a LOT of AIDS victims out there who are HAPPIER with their miserable lives than I am with my decent life...I'm sure they are still happy to have been able to breathe, taste, see, enjoy the good of life with the bad. They appreciate the little things and love life, even though they are faced with hardship.

I guess my point is...it's not for US to choose that child's outcome...the child doesn't get a choice, why should we? It's the CHILD'S life...imo
yea i dont think kids wit AIDS live that long, or live that happy
yea we do all suffer, but i dont believe in the suffering of a child that does not know why he is in such pain and has to wake up to a living hell everyday
yeap

[boo_cocky]

arguments or else i win.

@tgd

you got a point there...teenagers make stupid mistakes...but most of them end up caring for a child whilst they're still a child themselves and most of the times they don't make it (unable to finish an education and shit)

but still...adoption ftw in that case...
well that doesn't works in 3rd world countries but still...

My wife and I made 'three' stupid mistakes and it's the best thing that's ever happened to us.

No, I didn't graduate with my class...had to do it afterwards. Yes, we missed out on some 'parties' and shit like that...partying and hanging out with friends and one night stands and all that shit doesn't compare to having a family...it's just what people do when they DON'T have a family yet.

Some people don't handle parenting well...fine...then they should put the child up for adoption, I just don't think it's their 'right' to kill it.

My balls itch...wtf

[tgd_02]

arguments or else i win.

@tgd

you got a point there...teenagers make stupid mistakes...but most of them end up caring for a child whilst they're still a child themselves and most of the times they don't make it (unable to finish an education and shit)

but still...adoption ftw in that case...
well that doesn't works in 3rd world countries but still...
but thats just the thing man its not just teenagers, its ppl of all ages who can conceive
im sure that women that have abortions dont get up and say o shi- thank god for abortion, time to open mah legs up again!
no, im sure they have a fucking hard time either choosing to have the abortion or not, and the psychological effects that the abotion has on the woman
also ur saying that while teenagers that have a baby they dont get to pursue a higher education, or a better lifestyle for themselves let alone their kids, but fuck it, have the baby and make the best out of it
and ur ok wit this?

oook!

[Heero Valentine]

My wife and I made 'three' stupid mistakes and it's the best thing that's ever happened to us.

No, I didn't graduate with my class...had to do it afterwards. Yes, we missed out on some 'parties' and shit like that...partying and hanging out with friends and one night stands and all that shit doesn't compare to having a family...it's just what people do when they DON'T have a family yet.

Some people don't handle parenting well...fine...then they should put the child up for adoption, I just don't think it's their 'right' to kill it.

My balls itch...wtf

well what i said actually was a generalization and your the exception...
besides...when you were a teenager the average IQ was a bit higher than around these parts.

95% of the kids from my department would've failed this year if they had taken it 20 years ago.

[boo_cocky]

yea i dont think kids wit AIDS live that long, or live that happy
yea we do all suffer, but i dont believe in the suffering of a child that does not know why he is in such pain and has to wake up to a living hell everyday
yeap
The child with a terminal illness is a tough one...I can't argue with you there, cuz I get really choked up when I see that shit.

But, that's a VERY small percentage, and I personally know people who are adults that weren't supposed to survive childhood who are parents of their own kids. We can make a lot of 'what ifs' like rape, retarded child, deformed child, etc...but, that's a small amount...and they're still people.

I'm fucking retarded and deformed...but I have a right to life.

[Heero Valentine]

but thats just the thing man its not just teenagers, its ppl of all ages who can conceive
im sure that women that have abortions dont get up and say o shi- thank god for abortion, time to open mah legs up again!
no, im sure they have a fucking hard time either choosing to have the abortion or not, and the psychological effects that the abotion has on the woman
also ur saying that while teenagers that have a baby they dont get to pursue a higher education, or a better lifestyle for themselves let alone their kids, but fuck it, have the baby and make the best out of it
and ur ok wit this?

oook!

like i said...i'm a bit in the middle mangz.
even though the peeps don't want the baby...indeed choosing for an abortion is fucking hard on the mind.

just saying, i'd rather see that they have the baby and put it up for adoption.

[boo_cocky]

well what i said actually was a generalization and your the exception...
besides...when you were a teenager the average IQ was a bit higher than around these parts.

95% of the kids from my department would've failed this year if they had taken it 20 years ago.

Yeah, I know what you mean...but again, my problem with this is...someone makes a mistake in life...and we kill an innocent child over it.

The kid did nothing wrong, man...the parents did. Do we kill the parents?? No, of course not...we kill the child instead and say it's not a child so we can sleep at night with no guilt. :omg:

[tgd_02]

My wife and I made 'three' stupid mistakes and it's the best thing that's ever happened to us.

No, I didn't graduate with my class...had to do it afterwards. Yes, we missed out on some 'parties' and shit like that...partying and hanging out with friends and one night stands and all that shit doesn't compare to having a family...it's just what people do when they DON'T have a family yet.

Some people don't handle parenting well...fine...then they should put the child up for adoption, I just don't think it's their 'right' to kill it.

My balls itch...wtf
there it goes again, leave the "burden" up to someone else or to society to care for it
why?
i dont see a point of going through childbirth if the entire time your thinking o shi- this is going straight for adoption, or o shi- this baby is a mistake
nah, cant see it that way

[Heero Valentine]

Yeah, I know what you mean...but again, my problem with this is...someone makes a mistake in life...and we kill an innocent child over it.

The kid did nothing wrong, man...the parents did. Do we kill the parents?? No, of course not...we kill the child instead and say it's not a child so we can sleep at night with no guilt. :omg:

mistakes like this can be solved...and the solution is abortion.
point is...it needs to be thoroughly checked what the situation is.
why it happened and what the current situation is of the people involved.

[tgd_02]

The child with a terminal illness is a tough one...I can't argue with you there, cuz I get really choked up when I see that shit.

But, that's a VERY small percentage, and I personally know people who are adults that weren't supposed to survive childhood who are parents of their own kids. We can make a lot of 'what ifs' like rape, retarded child, deformed child, etc...but, that's a small amount...and they're still people.

I'm fucking retarded and deformed...but I have a right to life.
not just physical pain but also having to wake up to a fuked world, not having enough to eat, no proper place to sleep, no commodities that others take for granted, why live that way, why have a child and force it to go through that?
dont see a point
and the retardation and deform argument is a whole nother goody bag to argue but alas, mah time here at z library is ending
class is starting ina bit
lewl gg fuckers

lewl gg

[Heero Valentine]

there it goes again, leave the "burden" up to someone else or to society to care for it
why?
i dont see a point of going through childbirth if the entire time your thinking o shi- this is going straight for adoption, or o shi- this baby is a mistake
nah, cant see it that way

:omg: dammit you got a point again.

a baby is supposed to be a product of love between two people...
not something you can just pop out and put up for adoption cause you're to petarded to make sure you don't get one.

[boo_cocky]

there it goes again, leave the "burden" up to someone else or to society to care for it
why?
i dont see a point of going through childbirth if the entire time your thinking o shi- this is going straight for adoption, or o shi- this baby is a mistake
nah, cant see it that way

Well, we're a civilization, so yeah...we're going to get stuck taking care of degenerates...it sucks, but it's better than killing innocent children, isn't it?

There's a LOT of people who WANT to adopt, too.

Yeah, it does suck having to foot the bill...and it would be cheaper to just terminate the pregnancy...and that's probably part of the reason why it's legal to abort.

I know what you're saying...and obviously a lot of others do too, because your viewpoint is shared with the US Supreme Court, mine isn't.

[andrexote]

"Pro life is Anti-Woman"
-George Carlin
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/80fc8238cc/george-carlin-pro-life-is-antiwomen-from-classicstandupfan

[JACKASS2010]

"Pro life is Anti-Woman"
-George Carlin
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/80fc8238cc/george-carlin-pro-life-is-antiwomen-from-classicstandupfan

that's what i was just thinking about!!!

"right to lifers. yea, their right to decide who lives or dies."

[boo_cocky]

not just physical pain but also having to wake up to a fuked world, not having enough to eat, no proper place to sleep, no commodities that others take for granted, why live that way, why have a child and force it to go through that?
dont see a point
and the retardation and deform argument is a whole nother goody bag to argue but alas, mah time here at z library is ending
class is starting ina bit
lewl gg fuckers

lewl gg

Ok...so, should abortion only be legal in those extreme cases...or, just anytime someone wants to?

I see what you're saying...and I don't totally disagree with you...but...people ALWAYS use those scenarios, but they USE abortion for very different reasons, not the ones you specified.

They use abortion as a form of birth control. That's my biggest issue. If we could weed it down to ONLY the extreme cases, there'd be hardly any abortions. Most people aren't killing their kids because of deformity, poverty, disease...most are doing it for convenience so they can get their pussies ready for the next cock.

[JACKASS2010]

Ok...so, should abortion only be legal in those extreme cases...or, just anytime someone wants to?

I see what you're saying...and I don't totally disagree with you...but...people ALWAYS use those scenarios, but they USE abortion for very different reasons, not the ones you specified.

They use abortion as a form of birth control. That's my biggest issue. If we could weed it down to ONLY the extreme cases, there'd be hardly any abortions. Most people aren't killing their kids because of deformity, poverty, disease...most are doing it for convenience so they can get their pussies ready for the next cock.


yea mostly career women. total heartless bitches who dont have time for kids, the job comes first to these ice maidens.

that, pisses me off.

[MCMXCII]

Ok...so, should abortion only be legal in those extreme cases...or, just anytime someone wants to?

I see what you're saying...and I don't totally disagree with you...but...people ALWAYS use those scenarios, but they USE abortion for very different reasons, not the ones you specified.

They use abortion as a form of birth control. That's my biggest issue. If we could weed it down to ONLY the extreme cases, there'd be hardly any abortions. Most people aren't killing their kids because of deformity, poverty, disease...most are doing it for convenience so they can get their pussies ready for the next cock.

Where did you get those facts? From your ass?

Kids are stupid, granted, but does that mean that we should deprive them of a second chance?

[boo_cocky]

Where did you get those facts? From your ass?

Kids are stupid, granted, but does that mean that we should deprive them of a second chance?
We have a winner! :thumb:

I knew you were smart! hehe

[boo_cocky]

Where did you get those facts? From your ass?

Kids are stupid, granted, but does that mean that we should deprive them of a second chance?

Exactly my point...the babies are kids...and they don't even get a FIRST chance.

Do you realize what you just said? FFS, you just blew your own argument out of the fucking water...lmao

[Skyhigh]

I don't think that it should be used as a form of birth control, if you have unprotected sex and get knocked up, tough shit. Same thing with getting drunk one night and wind up getting pregnant, that is YOUR fault. However if the child is known to have deformities to the point where it can not function in society or the life of the woman is in danger then yes, abortion should be an option.

And I don't believe that abortions should take place like 6 months in, because then the child is almost fully formed...

[Anony-mous]

I am all for abortion it doesn't matter to me if someone gets abortions, we need to legalize and go more in depth into stem cell research anyways and fetus' help with that, it's just not something i would want for myself if i ever got a girl pregnant i would want her to keep it, but ultimately it's her decision and i would support her regardless of the choice she made.

shit does happen, even on birth control you can still get pregnant. My friend was born when his mom was on BC. there's still that .1% chance that it could happen.

[tammypants]

:mad:
I'm pretty sure I paid for some whore's abortion and didn't even know it.

[!NV!CTUS]

wow yea! great answer there! :rolleyes2:
burden the rest of society because
A. the person was stupid to have a child
B. A rape produced child? yea thats going to be a fun conversation when the child asks wheres my dad, rite?
C. uh idk wut else just this answer seemd rly stupid
and im doing 2 things at once @_@
fucklin skool


burden?? WTF are you skanking about??

Babies are gifts-just so you know.

Whatever you say, there would always be a couple who wants to have kids of their own. So, theres no point in killing your baby just because you dont want it.


Going thru pregnancy after you get raped is not being stupid- killing and blaming the baby for it would be stupid.

And again, if you wer raped- and you cant stand to see the baby then get somebody to adopt your baby. (How would the baby know?)
If the mother decided to keep the baby, then she just need to show enough love and explain to child later. Or she can always say that her/his father died/or give other white lies/excuses. ( if she dosn't have the heart to tell her child).

Whoever the father is, it is still my child.

I suggest you go back to your school work- cause you need to learn more.

You're heartless, i hope you dont produce..

/awaits for "oh yeah, you and your bastard kids" come back.



Exactly my point...the babies are kids...and they don't even get a FIRST chance.

Do you realize what you just said? FFS, you just blew your own argument out of the fucking water...lmao

exactly.:thumb:

[MCMXCII]

Exactly my point...the babies are kids...and they don't even get a FIRST chance.

Do you realize what you just said? FFS, you just blew your own argument out of the fucking water...lmao

That was not quite the point I was trying to make. The "kids" in that statement are sexual noobs who don't grasp the concept and importance of contraception and who get knocked up at age 16 because they messed up with their pill or risked it without a condom.

The consequence of them getting impregnated is that they are not likely to be able to study much further than highschool, and will be "tied down" at an early age. Their parenting would be, to say the least, deplorable, since they are themselves in the process of being parented.

[!NV!CTUS]

yea i dont think kids wit AIDS live that long, or live that happy
yea we do all suffer, but i dont believe in the suffering of a child
yeap


wtf are you on about?? wtf did this crap came from. please learn to read.:wth:

[Heero Valentine]

burden?? WTF are you skanking about??

Babies are gifts-just so you know.

but they can still be a burden on your life when you have no income.


You're heartless, i hope you dont produce..


that's not being heartless...you're being oversensitive :/

[Heero Valentine]

wtf are you on about?? wtf did this crap came from. please learn to read.:wth:

"This condition progressively reduces the effectiveness of the immune system and leaves individuals susceptible to opportunistic infections (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_infection) and tumors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor)."

:omg: that don't sound too great ya know.

[!NV!CTUS]

That was not quite the point I was trying to make. The "kids" in that statement are sexual noobs who don't grasp the concept and importance of contraception and who get knocked up at age 16 because they messed up with their pill or risked it without a condom.

The consequence of them getting impregnated is that they are not likely to be able to study much further than highschool, and will be "tied down" at an early age. Their parenting would be, to say the least, deplorable, since they are themselves in the process of being parented.


I believe that you can blame that to poor parenting;

If only parents arent to shy or embarrass to talk about sex-when it is needed, then that wouldnt have happen.

Im not saying im a good mother/better mother than others, but i promised myself that i would have that "talk" with my kids when the right time comes.

anyway whatever happens-my kids will always be MY kids.
Ill always be behind them whatever happens to them..

[MCMXCII]

but they can still be a burden on your life when you have no income.



that's not being heartless...you're being oversensitive :/

He is not being heartless, he is being practical, rational, with a sense of what makes sense! :thumb:

[sib]

:mad:
I'm pretty sure I paid for some whore's abortion and didn't even know it.

That's what she gets for looking so fine when her father was drunk.

[Heero Valentine]

He is not being heartless, he is being practical, rational, with a sense of what makes sense! :thumb:

so...in short...he's a dude and she's a chick? :D

[!NV!CTUS]

"This condition progressively reduces the effectiveness of the immune system and leaves individuals susceptible to opportunistic infections (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunistic_infection) and tumors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumor)."

:omg: that don't sound too great ya know.

lol.. Butterz wasnt talkin about kids with aids..:rofl:

[Heero Valentine]

lol.. Butterz wasnt talkin about kids with aids..:rofl:

and tgd was explaining an example where abortion isn't used much in a country that is filled with people (and lots of kids) with aids...dumb ass.

which could be less painfull for those kids...if they were aborted before born.

[MCMXCII]

I believe that you can blame that to poor parenting;

If only parents arent to shy or embarrass to talk about sex-when it is needed, then that wouldnt have happen.

Im not saying im a good mother/better mother than others, but i promised myself that i would have that "talk" with my kids when the right time comes.

anyway whatever happens-my kids will always be MY kids.
Ill always be behind them whatever happens to them..

Blame it on whatever you want; the facts remain.

Also, that is beside the point.

[sib]

I believe that you can blame that to poor parenting;

If only parents arent to shy or embarrass to talk about sex-when it is needed, then that wouldnt have happen.

Im not saying im a good mother/better mother than others, but i promised myself that i would have that "talk" with my kids when the right time comes.

anyway whatever happens-my kids will always be MY kids.
Ill always be behind them whatever happens to them..

But if it does happen are you saying you would have failed as a parent?

[Musicman58]

if you were raped, fine you can have an abortion, if you had sex w/ a condom or birth control and something happened and she's pregnant, in this case you should also be able to have an abortion, but if you have sex w/o birth control or a condom, you should be stuck with the consequences.

[YourAfuckingMoron]

WHY DO YOU NOOB FUCKS KEEP SPELLING LEGALIZED WITH AN S

[Heero Valentine]

WHY DO YOU NOOB FUCKS KEEP SPELLING LEGALIZED WITH AN S

cuz legalised is the British spelling?

cai...after 3 times we get it alright? :P

[MCMXCII]

WHY DO YOU NOOB FUCKS KEEP SPELLING LEGALIZED WITH AN S

Because that is the correct way of spelling it, you descendant of a degenerated colony!

[!NV!CTUS]

and tgd was explaining an example where abortion isn't used much in a country that is filled with people (and lots of kids) with aids...dumb ass.

which could be less painfull for those kids...if they were aborted before born.

my bad, lol.. didnt read that page.. sorry.

But if it does happen are you saying you would have failed as a parent?

yes. I always believe that parents are to blame if ever their child grow up to be a menace to society. This is just my opinion.

[MCMXCII]

Please stop posting the same thing over and over again, cai...

Dont make me call SPAM-PD! 911-SPAM!

[!NV!CTUS]

im sorry.. tis my connection.. fucking up.. please somebody delete those 3 posts. thanks thanks

[sib]

im sorry.. tis my connection.. fucking up.. please somebody delete those 3 posts. thanks thanks

Are you asking for you posts to be aborted? :rofl:

[JACKASS2010]

posts aborted

EDIT DAMMIT SIB!!

[MCMXCII]

She did not have her firewall up! No safe surfing for cai no more! She has to live with the 3 excess posts...

[sib]

posts aborted

EDIT DAMMIT SIB!!

:pt:

lulz

[Cheb]

thats the prob though cheb, parents dont end up "paying for the mistake"
the kids themselves end up paying for it, either by growing up in broken homes, or in devastating conditions
and thats why in 3rd world countries there are so many dying and suffering kids, either because a lack of contraception or because abortion has not been established in that community
id rather see a dead fetus than a slowly dying, starving, AIDS infected child live through his/her brief life
imo

Umm way too much read this late so ill just respond to this, and i don't know if I'll be going in circles or saying the same shit everyone else did =p

Anyway It's taking a life away, whether it had feelings or not, this fetus was going to be a person just like me and you. It may be a slowly dying, starving AIDS infected child, or it may become the person who found a cure for cancer. It doesn't really matter cause if you had a point, then it would make sense to go to those AIDS infected kids and kill them all too.

[Naysayer]

get out the wire hanger and the shop vac. time to end this little bastards life before he ruins mine.
....oh yeah...
...pro choice here :)

[DC Thug]

wet vac, plz

shop vac won't get all the juices

[MCMXCII]

A bit extreme, but the spirit is there! :thumb:

[JACKASS2010]

wet vac, plz

shop vac won't get all the juices


*sniffles and wipes away a tear

they grow up so fast!

[JooX]

While I do not agree with people making the choice for abortion soley due to the fact that it would interfere with their comfortable lives, I do think there are plenty of cases where it applies... and should always be the womans choice, and or the father of the child if practical.

Adoption should always be considered for an otherwise healthy baby, there are plenty of people out there who would love to have a child - but cant have children naturally.
The problem with this debate is people get caught up in the 'what if' mode. "What if the child becomes the greatest human to have ever lived" "What if they discover a cure for [insert hot topic of the day]" etc etc.
But what if the mother would have done the same thing... only she had to halt her studies because she had a child to care for?

Abortion should be the final option if no other options are practical, and in some cases - to give a young child themselves the chance to have a life.

However you want to look at it, the undeveloped fetus is still a non-entity in all respects apart from an emotional one. At a certain point there should be a cut-off for abortion... but there are always some circumstances that make that impractical too.

The debate is about a woman having the right to choose what happens to her body though. No matter what the rest of us feel on the subject, that is the case... and why, if I have to label myself something, that I am 'Pro-choice'

When we live in a world that can grant us every possible chance for a childs life to be as easy as possible, are not over stretching resources, and ensure their safety... then I will lean heavily the other way... but it's still a womans choice.


On a side note; the radical Pro-lifers who blow up abortion clinics, killing and injuring those who work there... they need a good dose of sledge hammer to the base of the skull.

[Naysayer]

wet vac, plz

shop vac won't get all the juices

I don't care about the juices. as long as the main problem is nipped in the bud. I'll leave the residual mess for her to clean up...that is her job btw :rofl:

[boo_cocky]

/awaits for "oh yeah, you and your bastard kids" come back.

Your kids aren't 'bastards'...they have a father and a mother. They just come from a 'broken' home...but I can fix that...lol

[MCMXCII]

I thought you were married with kids, Butterz?

Seems now you are into cai for some reason. Is it the IQ scores that sparked your interest?

Where is Captain Obvious when you need him, anyway? I can't be doing his job...

[boo_cocky]

but they can still be a burden on your life when you have no income.



that's not being heartless...you're being oversensitive :/

If you have no income, don't CREATE a burden on yourself. Once again, not the kids problem that the parents have done a shitty job living their life.

Kill the parents instead...:thumb:

[DC Thug]

i gotta take a leak

:omg:

[MCMXCII]

If you have no income, don't CREATE a burden on yourself. Once again, not the kids problem that the parents have done a shitty job living their life.

Kill the parents instead...:thumb:

Alternative to abortion: shoot the mom and kill the bad parent and kid at the same time! Problem solved!

:omg:

[boo_cocky]

Alternative to abortion: shoot the mom and kill the bad parent and kid at the same time! Problem solved!

:omg:
LOL

Ok, deal...as long as the mom takes the bullet and the child just dies from lack of oxygen. :thumb:

[Monstermash]

I think abortion should be allowed in these cases: If a child is likely to be born severely disabled or with a low quality of life or with a great degree of suffering the pregnancy should be terminated. Also yeau if the parents don't want it, they should be allowed to terminate it, but only at the early stages of pregnancy, otherwise you could be bringing a kid into the world that will be abused because they were never really wanted in the first place. I do believe though that the number of weeks at which a pregnancy is terminated should be lowered. At the end of the day like a lot of people say, you should of thought about the problems a pregnancy would have caused before you decided to leave your lust in charge of your brain. On a sideline I think that child support as a benefit should be restricted, as a way of lowering teenage pregnancy, this is happening too much these days with a very significant cost to the state, if your teenage daughter decides to get pregnant because she was humped by a boy, then you have not taught your daughter/son well enough, so you as the parent of them keep your grandaughter/grandson at your cost, don't expect the state to keep it. I think this way you will find there is a falling number of unwanted pregnancies, if they thought or their parents thought they had to fork out the costs of keeping the kids themselves, they would not want to get pregnant or bonk away so easily. Like China they should restict the number of children a couple are able to produce. The population of the planet is already to high.

[ceehound619]

There is no such thing as pro-choice.....lets call it like it is....pro-murder.....does'nt sound so appealing that way does it??? well thats what it is nonetheless.......and I ESPECIALLY loathe those dirty cock-sucking animals that perform LATE term abortions......those bastard need to be tied to someones bumper and dragged around town until all the layers of flesh are gone.

[tgd_02]

Umm way too much read this late so ill just respond to this, and i don't know if I'll be going in circles or saying the same shit everyone else did =p

Anyway It's taking a life away, whether it had feelings or not, this fetus was going to be a person just like me and you. It may be a slowly dying, starving AIDS infected child, or it may become the person who found a cure for cancer. It doesn't really matter cause if you had a point, then it would make sense to go to those AIDS infected kids and kill them all too.
they are not considered kids to me, they are fetuses

[tgd_02]

There is no such thing as pro-choice.....lets call it like it is....pro-murder.....does'nt sound so appealing that way does it??? well thats what it is nonetheless.......and I ESPECIALLY loathe those dirty cock-sucking animals that perform LATE term abortions......those bastard need to be tied to someones bumper and dragged around town until all the layers of flesh are gone.
then im pro murder, it doesnt matter how evil u want to make it out to be, a bullshit argument like that wont get anyone to change their argument
try that shit with an actual sensitive faggot, no offense though cee

[boo_cocky]

they are not considered kids to me, they are fetuses
That right there is the number one reason why abortion is legal today.

The term 'fetus' desensitized the word 'infant' or 'baby' or 'human', and it really turned more into a scientific discussion of 'when' does a fetus become a human...in terms of development.

I agree it's a fetus, but...it's a HUMAN fetus. To me, once the sperm fertilizes the egg, you've got a human being on your hands.

[ceehound619]

then im pro murder, it doesnt matter how evil u want to make it out to be, a bullshit argument like that wont get anyone to change their argument
try that shit with an actual sensitive faggot, no offense though cee
a bit hypocritical though....... what if your mom was "pro-choice"?....you would'nt be here now would ya....you better thank your lucky ass she was pro-life.....no offense either.

[tgd_02]

Well, we're a civilization, so yeah...we're going to get stuck taking care of degenerates...it sucks, but it's better than killing innocent children, isn't it?

There's a LOT of people who WANT to adopt, too.

Yeah, it does suck having to foot the bill...and it would be cheaper to just terminate the pregnancy...and that's probably part of the reason why it's legal to abort.

I know what you're saying...and obviously a lot of others do too, because your viewpoint is shared with the US Supreme Court, mine isn't.
1. they are not kids to man, im going to stress that again, they dont have life or feelings or even an emotions to make them "human"
2. EXACTLY! ppl do want to adopt, others do want to give up their kids for adoption, others, well they want to abort
that is why i am pro choice, it should be up to the individuals, not the state to decide what the outcome of all pregnancies should be

[boo_cocky]

There is no such thing as pro-choice.....lets call it like it is....pro-murder.....does'nt sound so appealing that way does it??? well thats what it is nonetheless.......and I ESPECIALLY loathe those dirty cock-sucking animals that perform LATE term abortions......those bastard need to be tied to someones bumper and dragged around town until all the layers of flesh are gone.

But, legally, the term 'murder' is inaccurate, because having an abortion is 100% legal. Maybe 'pro-kill'...

Yeah, partial birth and late term abortions are fucking hideous, man. How can there even be an ARGUMENT that you're not sticking scissors into a baby's spine and scrambling the brains? It's literally a fully developed human!

[ceehound619]

But, legally, the term 'murder' is inaccurate, because having an abortion is 100% legal. Maybe 'pro-kill'...

Yeah, partial birth and late term abortions are fucking hideous, man. How can there even be an ARGUMENT that you're not sticking scissors into a baby's spine and scrambling the brains? It's literally a fully developed human!
I dont give a fuck about law.....its murder....period.

[ceehound619]

it should be up to the individuals, not the state to decide what the outcome of all pregnancies should be
then I should be able to kill you if I want.....whats the difference between 5 months and 17 years?

[tgd_02]

a bit hypocritical though....... what if your mom was "pro-choice"?....you would'nt be here now would ya....you better thank your lucky ass she was pro-life.....no offense either.
hypocrite?
who the fuck is being hypocrite man?
i, along with my brothers were PLANNED, if my mom was pro choice then i simply wouldnt be here, fuck it
one less person polluting the planet
thank my lucky ass, lol! good one but that argument is so full of holes a virginia tech student would be jealous

[ceehound619]

hypocrite?
who the fuck is being hypocrite man?
i, along with my brothers were PLANNED, if my mom was pro choice then i simply wouldnt be here, fuck it
one less person polluting the planet
thank my lucky ass, lol! good one but that argument is so full of holes a virginia tech student would be jealous
very good.... at least you admit you are grateful your mom was pro-life......how grateful I dont know...u dont sound like you cherish life much brah.

[tgd_02]

then I should be able to kill you if I want.....whats the difference between 5 months and 17 years?
lol are you fucking kidding me????
wats the difference?
come on man, show more intelligence if ur going to argue this out because ur sounding a bit moronic right now

[Quackers]

Abortion is a quick solution to many difficult problems.

An unwanted foetus is a parasite, and parasites should be removed without hesitation.

Too many people let emotions take over in the abortion debate.

[boo_cocky]

1. they are not kids to man, im going to stress that again, they dont have life or feelings or even an emotions to make them "human"
2. EXACTLY! ppl do want to adopt, others do want to give up their kids for adoption, others, well they want to abort
that is why i am pro choice, it should be up to the individuals, not the state to decide what the outcome of all pregnancies should be

A newborn baby has none of those things, in and of itself, either...but, it's still 'human'...it's only 'life' is dependent on being fed and provided oxygen to breath; feelings and emotions won't develop until their brains develop more...all they can do is eat, breathe, shit, piss, cry and sleep.

An unborn baby still has nerve endings, still has lungs, a beating heart, an active brain...if it's a boy and you whisper into the stomach that Megan Fox is single, it will get excited and kick the mother's tummy...

I know I'm beating a dead horse...I don't ever see abortion becoming illegal again. But, out of every law, this is the one that bothers me the most.

[ceehound619]

Abortion is a quick solution to many difficult problems.

An unwanted foetus is a parasite, and parasites should be removed without hesitation.

Too many people let emotions take over in the abortion debate.
then once again.... I should be able to kill you...because I dont want you.......and whats the difference between 5 months and 19 years?

[tgd_02]

very good.... at least you admit you are grateful your mom was pro-life......how grateful I dont know...u dont sound like you cherish life much brah.
w.e i sound like and wat i actually believe in are too different things, you see it that way, o well im not going to change ur mind about it
why?
cuz i dont live on others opinions of me
well, the ones that dont matter anyway :thumb:

[ceehound619]

lol are you fucking kidding me????
wats the difference?
come on man, show more intelligence if ur going to argue this out because ur sounding a bit moronic right now
no...serious...who are YOU to decide when life starts having a value?

[boo_cocky]

hypocrite?
who the fuck is being hypocrite man?
i, along with my brothers were PLANNED, if my mom was pro choice then i simply wouldnt be here, fuck it
one less person polluting the planet
thank my lucky ass, lol! good one but that argument is so full of holes a virginia tech student would be jealous

HAHAHAHAHAHA...that's fucked up! :rofl:

[tgd_02]

A newborn baby has none of those things, in and of itself, either...but, it's still 'human'...it's only 'life' is dependent on being fed and provided oxygen to breath; feelings and emotions won't develop until their brains develop more...all they can do is eat, breathe, shit, piss, cry and sleep.

An unborn baby still has nerve endings, still has lungs, a beating heart, an active brain...if it's a boy and you whisper into the stomach that Megan Fox is single, it will get excited and kick the mother's tummy...

I know I'm beating a dead horse...I don't ever see abortion becoming illegal again. But, out of every law, this is the one that bothers me the most.
ur really saying that a newborn and a fetus are the exact same?

no man, they are not
and that is why there is laws regarding the trimesters and how far u can go with them, the court cases of webster and casey made sure that more things were considered in order for abortion to continue

[boo_cocky]

ur really saying that a newborn and a fetus are the exact same?

no man, they are not
and that is why there is laws regarding the trimesters and how far u can go with them, the court cases of webster and casey made sure that more things were considered in order for abortion to continue

As MUCH the same as a newborn baby and a 2 year old baby are, yes...'EXACT', no...but, I'm 39, you're 20ish...we're both human, but far from exact. I'm older, have a few grey hairs, don't recover as quickly, not as quick or strong...

Obviously, there are changes in development...a newborn can't talk, crawl or walk...but, it's JUST as much a human as a 2 year toddler is.

A 3, 6, or 9 month old fetus/baby is in different stages of development also...but, it's still a human. I mean...what else is it? It's not a lion, it's not a kitty, it's not a monkey...it's a growing human being.

[tgd_02]

no...serious...who are YOU to decide when life starts having a value?
who am i?
who are u to decide when something has "life"
ur kinda tellin me that if u see a rock move, ull claim it as alive and with life-like uhh wats the word

fuck man............


shit i forgot the fucking word
i smoke 2 much me thinks

lewl gg

[ceehound619]

who am i?
who are u to decide when something has "life"
ur kinda tellin me that if u see a rock move, ull claim it as alive and with life-like uhh wats the word

fuck man............


shit i forgot the fucking word
i smoke 2 much me thinks

lewl gg
now you are comparing a heart beat with a rock.....dude smoke MOAR.......once a fetus has a heartbeat it is a life.....has value....and if killed is murder.....my opinion.

[tgd_02]

As MUCH the same as a newborn baby and a 2 year old baby are, yes...

Obviously, there are changes in development...a newborn can't talk, crawl or walk...but, it's JUST as much a human as a 2 year toddler is.

A 3, 6, or 9 month old baby is in different stages of development also...but, it's still a human. I mean...what else is it? It's not a lion, it's not a kitty, it's not a monkey...it's a growing human being.
a newborn has the ability to recognize when its hungry when something is bothering it, etc
a fetus does not, it lives off the mother and shit, some women dont even notice that they are pregnant, why? because a fetus does not have the want or needs that a would make it as a uncompromised(sp) human

[Taurino]

my uncle was 17 when he got his 14 yr old g/f pregnant.

Her parents demanded he married her or he would go to jail for statutory rape since consent age in TX is 17.

Anyways. They got married. And he worked hard and then started his own business.

my uncle and his wife divorced but after 10 years because she cheated on him.

But their kid stayed with my uncle. by then though he worked he'd already worked his way up and had made money and already owned a large and I mean a large home in a very nice neighborhood.

He told me that Abortion was an option back when his daughter was conceved. But he said no. And manned up and accepted the consequences. He said that his daughter being born was the best thing that's ever happened to him in his life.

not giving the concieved a chance is absoloutley horrible in my opinion.

[boo_cocky]

with them, the court cases of webster and casey made sure that more things were considered in order for abortion to continue

Yes, you're right there.

I'm not saying that's 'wrong'...but, I don't agree that they decrease the value and change the term...it's still a human.

I mean, I'm on my way to be an old man...IF I stay alive, I will be an old man someday. The ONLY way I won't be an old man is if I DIE before then.

A fetus is a baby and will be a 'person' if it's not killed.

[tgd_02]

now you are comparing a heart beat with a rock.....dude smoke MOAR.......once a fetus has a heartbeat it is a life.....has value....and if killed is murder.....my opinion.
ugh im not comparing the rock itself im comparing wat classifies something as being alive or not
but w.e i stand by my opinion that it is a womans rite to choose, and seeing wat government we have now, i dont think thats going to change for a long long long long long long long (prob never) time

[ceehound619]

not giving the concieved a chance is absoloutley horrible in my opinion.
this statement actually makes me believe you have some value as a human being........which brings me to my next point.....the horrible GUILT that women have.......its documented........espcially late term......it NEVER goes away....and deservedly so.

[boo_cocky]

my uncle was 17 when he got his 14 yr old g/f pregnant.

Her parents demanded he married her or he would go to jail for statutory rape since consent age in TX is 17.

Anyways. They got married. And he worked hard and then started his own business.

my uncle and his wife divorced but after 10 years because she cheated on him.

But their kid stayed with my uncle. by then though he worked he'd already worked his way up and had made money and already owned a large and I mean a large home in a very nice neighborhood.

He told me that Abortion was an option back when his daughter was conceved. But he said no. And manned up and accepted the consequences. He said that his daughter being born was the best thing that's ever happened to him in his life.

not giving the concieved a chance is absoloutley horrible in my opinion.
Very cool.

My wife was 15, I was 17 when I got her pregnant...and in about 15 minutes, my beautiful 21 year old daughter is coming over with her fiance to visit with us...she was a fetus not very long ago. :thumb:

[tgd_02]

and i cants smoke moar
i r out til fri wen mah boy comes bak from uconn and i can laugh at him at how UNC is gona take it all


GO UNC!!!!!!!1111ONE

[ceehound619]

someone rep taurino for me....I am all out.

[boo_cocky]

ugh im not comparing the rock itself im comparing wat classifies something as being alive or not
but w.e i stand by my opinion that it is a womans rite to choose, and seeing wat government we have now, i dont think thats going to change for a long long long long long long long (prob never) time

Yeah, like I said earlier, a lot more people see it the way you see than the way I see it...which is why it's legal.

And, I don't see it changing, either. :(

[tgd_02]

my uncle was 17 when he got his 14 yr old g/f pregnant.

Her parents demanded he married her or he would go to jail for statutory rape since consent age in TX is 17.

Anyways. They got married. And he worked hard and then started his own business.

my uncle and his wife divorced but after 10 years because she cheated on him.

But their kid stayed with my uncle. by then though he worked he'd already worked his way up and had made money and already owned a large and I mean a large home in a very nice neighborhood.

He told me that Abortion was an option back when his daughter was conceved. But he said no. And manned up and accepted the consequences. He said that his daughter being born was the best thing that's ever happened to him in his life.

not giving the concieved a chance is absoloutley horrible in my opinion.
and if i were to ever get a girl pregnant and she decides to keep it, id man up and father the child, wheter it was planned or not
but if she chooses to abort it, well ill go along wit it 2 because ima godamn college student and nowhere near being ready for a child in my life
yeaaaaap
im hungry

[tgd_02]

Yeah, like I said earlier, a lot more people see it the way you see than the way I see it...which is why it's legal.

And, I don't see it changing, either. :(
then you do the responsible thing as a father and tell your kids how u feel about abortions and make them see both sides of it
but u was gon do that anyways rite? :thumb:

[ceehound619]

because ima godamn college student and nowhere near being ready for a child in
then keep your dick in your pants or get neutered.

[Quackers]

then once again.... I should be able to kill you...because I dont want you.......and whats the difference between 5 months and 19 years?


9 Inches.

[tgd_02]

this statement actually makes me believe you have some value as a human being........which brings me to my next point.....the horrible GUILT that women have.......its documented........espcially late term......it NEVER goes away....and deservedly so.
yea i sed this about 4-5 pages back

[boo_cocky]

a newborn has the ability to recognize when its hungry when something is bothering it, etc
a fetus does not, it lives off the mother and shit, some women dont even notice that they are pregnant, why? because a fetus does not have the want or needs that a would make it as a uncompromised(sp) human

True...

It's not at that stage in it's development.

But (yes, I'm pulling out a 'what if' scenario, like rape, AIDS, starvation..lol)...
There's adults who are disabled and can not tell when they are hungry, can not communicate, can not recognize when something is bothering them...Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Dementia, Brain Damage, Severe Retardation (Borat; My brother had uhhhhh severe uhhhhh REEEEETARRRRDATION!)

Are they still human? The insurance companies say they are. The Government says they are. I'm sure their family says they are.

[JooX]

Best give up all that wanking you guys do then... dont want those babies just going down the drain, or into your tissue box.

They are the children that never had a chance to be. :bawling:

[MCMXCII]

ur really saying that a newborn and a fetus are the exact same?

no man, they are not
and that is why there is laws regarding the trimesters and how far u can go with them, the court cases of webster and casey made sure that more things were considered in order for abortion to continue

Damn straight.

[tgd_02]

then keep your dick in your pants or get neutered.
this is y im thankful i live in teh us-of-a
condoms ftw
and womens got their birth control etc

etc etc

[boo_cocky]

9 Inches.
When do I get to be 19 years old? :rofl:

[Quackers]

In heaven.

[ceehound619]

In heaven.
someplace u def aint going.

[MCMXCII]

I don't think anyone from Filecabi is going to heaven. We might as well start a "hell" and "purgatory" affiliation of the forum.

We can always ask Big Oz if he can set it up. :rolleyes:

[tgd_02]

burden?? WTF are you skanking about??

Babies are gifts-just so you know.

Whatever you say, there would always be a couple who wants to have kids of their own. So, theres no point in killing your baby just because you dont want it.


Going thru pregnancy after you get raped is not being stupid- killing and blaming the baby for it would be stupid.

And again, if you wer raped- and you cant stand to see the baby then get somebody to adopt your baby. (How would the baby know?)
If the mother decided to keep the baby, then she just need to show enough love and explain to child later. Or she can always say that her/his father died/or give other white lies/excuses. ( if she dosn't have the heart to tell her child).

Whoever the father is, it is still my child.

I suggest you go back to your school work- cause you need to learn more.

You're heartless, i hope you dont produce..

/awaits for "oh yeah, you and your bastard kids" come back.





exactly.:thumb:
adoption
adoption
thats all i read in here, why cant the woman choose? why cant a rape victim say no to an illegitimate child?
white lies? are you kidding me?
yes lets raise the child under lies for as long as we can weeeeeeee! :omg:

and wats up wit the bold part?
wtf are u bringing ur personal shit in here, as far as im concerned we are just having a healthy debate over wat we think is the rite move, im not calling butterz or cheb nutjobs for supporting pro life, so dont try to bring in random bullshit in here, this argument isnt bout you, so kindly pull your fucking head out of ur ass, get some fresh air
and im heartless?
awsomz
and ill fucking reproduce wen im damn ready thank you
and thnx for sounding so condescending, just cuz i support pro choice means that i need to learn more?

kiss my ass 2x

[boo_cocky]

then you do the responsible thing as a father and tell your kids how u feel about abortions and make them see both sides of it
but u was gon do that anyways rite? :thumb:

I cringe even saying this, but my wife and I considered abortion when we found out she was pregnant with our third child...

I was 22, my wife was 20, two kids, bills up the ass...dude, a third kid was like 'No fucking way can we pull this off...we can't even get by as we are'.

To this day we both feel bad that we even thought of that, but we were scared and didn't want our lives getting 'harder'. (Obviously, we didn't)

I hope my kids never have an abortion, but it's their life. I will feel like they took a grandchild from me, but I would never say to them if they did it...they know how I feel, but no matter what they do, they're still my kids and I'll love them.

[tgd_02]

someplace u def aint going.
its funnah cuz i aint eithar!

[boo_cocky]

adoption
adoption
thats all i read in here, why cant the woman choose? why cant a rape victim say no to an illegitimate child?
white lies? are you kidding me?
yes lets raise the child under lies for as long as we can weeeeeeee! :omg:

and wats up wit the bold part?
wtf are u bringing ur personal shit in here, as far as im concerned we are just having a healthy debate over wat we think is the rite move, im not calling butterz or cheb nutjobs for supporting pro life, so dont try to bring in random bullshit in here, this argument isnt bout you, so kindly pull your fucking head out of ur ass, get some fresh air
and im heartless?
awsomz
and ill fucking reproduce wen im damn ready thank you

I'd be 'ok' with the laws being restricted to rape cases, health risk to the mother, etc...situations with serious complications involved.

It's not that I personally agree, but I can understand that and it would still be WAY better than what it is now.

[ceehound619]

its funnah cuz i aint eithar!
2 badz..... teh down southz iz teh hotz....GG LEWL

[tgd_02]

I cringe even saying this, but my wife and I considered abortion when we found out she was pregnant with our third child...

I was 22, my wife was 20, two kids, bills up the ass...dude, a third kid was like 'No fucking way can we pull this off...we can't even get by as we are'.

To this day we both feel bad that we even thought of that, but we were scared and didn't want our lives getting 'harder'. (Obviously, we didn't)

I hope my kids never have an abortion, but it's their life. I will feel like they took a grandchild from me, but I would never say to them if they did it...they know how I feel, but no matter what they do, they're still my kids and I'll love them.
good man
i can almost put myself in ur shoes being young and all of a sudden being told that im going to be a dad...ooo the panic id feel...specially wit 2 kids
:omg:
and fuck the guilt over thinking about abortions, ur human, we all go through the choices we have in front of us, wat counts now is the love u have for ur kids, which IMO is fucking irreplacable

[MCMXCII]

2 badz..... teh down southz iz teh hotz....GG LEWL

Is that you, YAFM? Is this me?

[steph-style]

Seriously I don't really care about abortion. Is it murder or not, what do I care? What I find fucked up is all the things related to abortion.
Like it or not, we do not behave following our reason (intelligence or whatever you want to call it) but rather our instincs. We mostly live like animals. Most animals simply have fear, hunger, sexual desires and whatever. Some others, like sheep, parrots, etc. have feelings, social behavior and so on. The only thing we have that most animals don't is reason. We are capable of logical thought. The thing is, all informations are controled by our primitive parts of the brain. You will not like or hate someone because you logically should or not, but because his look and behavior will be analyzed by our primitive brain.
That being said, again we do not behave following our reason.
What does this have to do with abortion? Well, before the church and society, people would be close to what we have now. They would follow their sexual desires and be close to animals, even if they already were capable of thought like us. Of course it was a big problem so religion and laws came. Marriage and no sex before it, education and so on. Those laws must have took some time to be accepted, but once it was done, humans hating changes, it simply couldn't go away. Again, people followed instincts which bring them to impose their way of thinking to others and hate changes. So it went on with parents imposing this to their children. So at first religion must have been more intelligent than most of our modern culture.
People followed religion and imposed their thought, wich was of course influenced by high up people in the church. Traditions and religion then reached some kind of madness and were losing most of their benefits. But we cannot condemn religion or traditions, only the people who impose it. Their reached such madness that some people intelligent enought were able to question them and with a few centuries came the revolutions. Of course humans didn't really like the change coming as fast. This is why they replaced kings by others who weren't better: Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini. USA replaced kings by presidents who have a strong image in the country. After the great powers over human behavior fell, people could start to follow their primitive instincts without having any restrictions. Finnaly we came to our modern society, rejecting religion and traditions.
As we still hate changes, we still have some people of power in which we have our hope, like Barack Obama and others depending on the countries. We still havent changed. We impose atheism to others, some people continue to be religious, we believe in bullshit like we are all equal, freedom, equality of men and women. All those things don't make sense (except atheism), but we like them because they bring some idea of happiness. We also hate weakness. So now we don't have any institutions to force us to behave, we all follow our instincts. We are a lot influenced by the people around us. This is why people find guys who don't have a girlfriend or sex until quite late. It is interpretated as weakness and we also like to impose what we think, which is that sex and girlfriends are good. Just like religion did while saying that religion was good.
So now just to follow stupid animal behaviors, we'd rather kill children than think a bit before having sex? Tatoos, fashion, girlfriends/boyfriends (when not responsible), war, politics, celebrities, etc. All human stupidity. One day the world will get so fucked up that traditions and some kind of religion will come back again.

Sorry for writing a huge text kind of out of subject again, hope some of you will question their way of thinking. You should also read Gustave Le Bon if you have nothing to do, he wrote some very interesting stuff about human group behavior.

[ceehound619]

I'll read that next time I got about 8 hours to spare.

[JACKASS2010]

hmm this is quite good! a healthy raging debate about a controversial subject, haven't seen one of em in ages!

oh well, only a matter of time before religion gets dragged into it and fucks it up for everybody...

OH SHI-

[ceehound619]

OH SHI-
so u and tgd ARE one and the same.... I KNEW IT.

[tgd_02]

OH SHI-

[boo_cocky]

Seriously I don't really care about abortion. Is it murder or not, what do I care? What I find fucked up is all the things related to abortion.
Like it or not, we do not behave following our reason (intelligence or whatever you want to call it) but rather our instincs. We mostly live like animals. Most animals simply have fear, hunger, sexual desires and whatever. Some others, like sheep, parrots, etc. have feelings, social behavior and so on. The only thing we have that most animals don't is reason. We are capable of logical thought. The thing is, all informations are controled by our primitive parts of the brain. You will not like or hate someone because you logically should or not, but because his look and behavior will be analyzed by our primitive brain.
That being said, again we do not behave following our reason.
What does this have to do with abortion? Well, before the church and society, people would be close to what we have now. They would follow their sexual desires and be close to animals, even if they already were capable of thought like us. Of course it was a big problem so religion and laws came. Marriage and no sex before it, education and so on. Those laws must have took some time to be accepted, but once it was done, humans hating changes, it simply couldn't go away. Again, people followed instincts which bring them to impose their way of thinking to others and hate changes. So it went on with parents imposing this to their children. So at first religion must have been more intelligent than most of our modern culture.
People followed religion and imposed their thought, wich was of course influenced by high up people in the church. Traditions and religion then reached some kind of madness and were losing most of their benefits. But we cannot condemn religion or traditions, only the people who impose it. Their reached such madness that some people intelligent enought were able to question them and with a few centuries came the revolutions. Of course humans didn't really like the change coming as fast. This is why they replaced kings by others who weren't better: Napoleon, Hitler, Mussolini. USA replaced kings by presidents who have a strong image in the country. After the great powers over human behavior fell, people could start to follow their primitive instincts without having any restrictions. Finnaly we came to our modern society, rejecting religion and traditions.
As we still hate changes, we still have some people of power in which we have our hope, like Barack Obama and others depending on the countries. We still havent changed. We impose atheism to others, some people continue to be religious, we believe in bullshit like we are all equal, freedom, equality of men and women. All those things don't make sense (except atheism), but we like them because they bring some idea of happiness. We also hate weakness. So now we don't have any institutions to force us to behave, we all follow our instincts. We are a lot influenced by the people around us. This is why people find guys who don't have a girlfriend or sex until quite late. It is interpretated as weakness and we also like to impose what we think, which is that sex and girlfriends are good. Just like religion did while saying that religion was good.
So now just to follow stupid animal behaviors, we'd rather kill children than think a bit before having sex? Tatoos, fashion, girlfriends/boyfriends (when not responsible), war, politics, celebrities, etc. All human stupidity. One day the world will get so fucked up that traditions and some kind of religion will come back again.

Sorry for writing a huge text kind of out of subject again, hope some of you will question their way of thinking. You should also read Gustave Le Bon if you have nothing to do, he wrote some very interesting stuff about human group behavior.
That's a REALLY good post.

I attribute abortion to self-centeredness, because it puts the mothers convenience before the life of the child's. It's damn near impossible to convey that message in today's society, because it's been so accepted that we're desensitized to it. It's more political rhetoric than scientific 'fact' that changed the abortion law, but it wasn't presented that way.

I can 'understand' why people choose abortion...but, that doesn't make it right. It really comes down to Roe vs Wade taking place during an historic time, socially, when the sexual revolution, women's lib and all sorts of other issues were at the forefront and society no longer trusted 'the man'.

Liberalism in this country has done a lot of good, such as helping to remove racist and sexist stereotypes against blacks and homosexuals, women, etc....but, has also gone way too far and done a disservice to humanity, also, by catering to people's selfishness and lowering the standards on morality, bringing it to the all-time low that we live in now.

[ceehound619]

and fuck the guilt over thinking about abortions,
no.... not fuck it.....SOAK IN IT....people who kill babies deserve every fuckin SECOND of regret and guilt.....and tgd.....u aint a woman....you cant begin to relate or imagine the feelings a woman might have after killing life in her own womb.

[ceehound619]

Anyone who can do this...and not have it on their conscience is a fuckin animal.....dont cover your eyes....this is the truth...

Click HERE (http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt76/tiedomi619/fetusheadonside.jpg) to see the pic. (NSFW)

[boo_cocky]

^^^I just don't see why people aren't more educated about this...so many people have it in their head that it's not a child, and calling it a 'fetus' makes it easier to disassociate...

That's a little dead baby right there...ripped apart and killed...and it's legal. :(

[tgd_02]

o lordi i feel so bad!

:rolleyes:

and i know i aint a woman, wen the fuck did i say i knew how one must feel?

presumptuous piece of #$#@

[boo_cocky]

o lordi i feel so bad!

:rolleyes:

and i know i aint a woman, wen the fuck did i say i knew how one must feel?

presumptuous piece of #$#@
But, for real...doesn't that make you feel a little sad?

I mean, look at the baby man...it's got all it's toes, fingers, brain, eyes, heart...I mean, it's a functioning human being...well, if they can glue the head back on...

Seriously...that's a kid man. This shit really bums me out.

That's somebody's little boy...who's never going to play little league, whiffle ball, first day of school, birthday parties, ride a bike, break an arm, catch a cold, be afraid of the dark...ughhh

[ceehound619]

presumptuous piece of #$#@
I do make dollars so u got 1 out of 4 right.

[boo_cocky]

I do make dollars so u got 1 out of 4 right.
LMAO....ahhh, that was good.

[tgd_02]

But, for real...doesn't that make you feel a little sad?

I mean, look at the baby man...it's got all it's toes, fingers, brain, eyes, heart...I mean, it's a functioning human being...well, if they can glue the head back on...

Seriously...that's a kid man. This shit really bums me out.

That's somebody's little boy...who's never going to play little league, whiffle ball, first day of school, birthday parties, ride a bike, break an arm, catch a cold, be afraid of the dark...ughhh
im not getting any satisfaction by looking at that pic, but thats wat abortion is, ive seen pics b4 and ive even seen the process (though a vid though)
i mean wat can i tell you? it was someones choice to do that and now theyre living with their choice
yo butterz u catholic/christian/something?
do aborted babies go to hell since they aint baptized?

serious question, not trying to be a prick or anything

[boo_cocky]

It's a BOY, baby!

[ceehound619]

do aborted babies go to hell since they aint baptized?


no... but the people doing the aborting might.

[boo_cocky]

im not getting any satisfaction by looking at that pic, but thats wat abortion is, ive seen pics b4 and ive even seen the process (though a vid though)
i mean wat can i tell you? it was someones choice to do that and now theyre living with their choice
yo butterz u catholic/christian/something?
do aborted babies go to hell since they aint baptized?

serious question, not trying to be a prick or anything

I believe more Catholic theology than any other Christian religion, but I can't exactly say I'm a good Catholic.

An unborn baby who isn't baptized...no one 'really' knows, but the Church suggests a passing in 'Limbo', it's like a temporary 'Purgatory', but for babies. If the kid dies before being baptized, it has original sin on it, so can't go directly to Heaven. Limbo is the cleansing process for unbaptized kids.

Prayers for the unbaptized are supposed to help expedite the process of passage into Heaven. If you pray with Express, the baby may get their quicker.

But, who knows man...God never said that...that's a very loose 'assumption' by the Church based on reading between the lines...even the Church doesn't present it as 'factual' or a strong belief.

[ceehound619]

I believe more Catholic theology than any other Christian religion, but I can't exactly say I'm a good Catholic.

An unborn baby who isn't baptized...no one 'really' knows, but the Church suggests a passing in 'Limbo', it's like a temporary 'Purgatory', but for babies. If the kid dies before being baptized, it has original sin on it, so can't go directly to Heaven. Limbo is the cleansing process for unbaptized kids.

Prayers for the unbaptized are supposed to help expedite the process of passage into Heaven. If you pray with Express, the baby may get their quicker.

But, who knows man...God never said that...that's a very loose 'assumption' by the Church based on reading between the lines...even the Church doesn't present it as 'factual' or a strong belief.
disagree....there is ZERO biblical reference/support for the baptism of children.

[boo_cocky]

disagree....there is ZERO biblical reference/support for the baptism of children.
Sure there is.

John the Baptist?

Hello?? McFly??

There's no reference to LIMBO...there is reference to baptism.

[ceehound619]

Sure there is.

John the Baptist?

Hello?? McFly??

There's no reference to LIMBO...there is reference to baptism.
disagree...please link the quote.

[tgd_02]

nvm

[boo_cocky]

disagree...please link the quote.

Are you for real? LMAO

Hang on...link the quote, like I know my Bible inside out...

But, just to prove you wrong...

[boo_cocky]

Dude, John the Baptist is discussed in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...lol...he's all over the Bible.

Matthew 3:13-15 (New International Reader's Version)

Jesus Is Baptized

13 Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan River. He wanted to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to stop him. He told Jesus, "I need to be baptized by you. So why do you come to me?" 15 Jesus replied, "Let it be this way for now. It is right for us to do this. It carries out God's holy plan." Then John agreed.

[ceehound619]

Are you for real? LMAO

Hang on...link the quote, like I know my Bible inside out...

But, just to prove you wrong...
yeah I am....in fact....they were talking about this subject on a christian radio station I listen to...and the pastors were agreeing with me that there is no biblical support for child baptism.... I think its just a difference of interpretation among different denominations.

[ceehound619]

Dude, John the Baptist is discussed in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John...lol...he's all over the Bible.

Matthew 3:13-15 (New International Reader's Version)

Jesus Is Baptized

13 Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan River. He wanted to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to stop him. He told Jesus, "I need to be baptized by you. So why do you come to me?" 15 Jesus replied, "Let it be this way for now. It is right for us to do this. It carries out God's holy plan." Then John agreed.
so what.... only talks about jesus......where does it say ALL babies should be as well?

[boo_cocky]

so what.... only talks about jesus......where does it say ALL babies should be as well?

Cee...go read the Bible...I'm not going to dig through 5,000 pages to prove a point...lmao :thumb:

Every Christian religion baptizes babies...or, adults as soon as they convert to Christianity...that's like Christianity 101...basic stuff. The reason is, if you die with original sin, you can't reach Heaven until you're cleansed, so the sooner you get the original sin cleansed, the better. People don't like to wait, in case the baby dies before it get baptized.

[ceehound619]

...I'm not going to dig through 5,000 pages to prove a point...lmao :thumb:
cuz its not there nugga.

[ceehound619]

Every Christian religion baptizes babies....
are you frickin kidding me??? butterz.... NO......protestants/prysbeterians do NOT believe in child baptism......dude... RESEARCH.

[boo_cocky]

are you frickin kidding me??? butterz.... NO......protestants/prysbeterians do NOT believe in child baptism......dude... RESEARCH.

YOU research...I just quoted you from the Bible.

You may be right about that though. I shouldn't generalize about 'every' Christian religion, because I don't know...

You're so funny...RESEARCH...lmao

[ceehound619]

as i said...its a difference of INTERPRETATION...as is pretty much EVERYTHING else in the bible as well.

[boo_cocky]

are you frickin kidding me??? butterz.... NO......protestants/prysbeterians do NOT believe in child baptism......dude... RESEARCH.
Ok, Protestants, Quakers and some other do not baptize children...they baptize when older, to add to salvation, not to establish it.

Most Christian religions do baptize infants, however.

Referenced Wiki and Yahoo...:thumb:

[boo_cocky]

as i said...its a difference of INTERPRETATION...as is pretty much EVERYTHING else in the bible as well.

Yeah...but it still doesn't illegalize abortion...lol

[ceehound619]

Ok, Protestants, Quakers and some other do not baptize children...they baptize when older, to add to salvation, not to establish it.

Most Christian religions do baptize infants, however.

Referenced Wiki and Yahoo...:thumb:
u doing MY homework now? LOLS:thumb:

[boo_cocky]

u doing MY homework now? LOLS:thumb:

Sorta...and I misread your original post...I thought you were saying baptism wasn't mentioned in the Bible and I was like, WTF?? Didn't see 'children' in your post.

I honestly don't know, thinking about it, if it specifically mentions children being baptized...I know why the decision was made to baptize children, but not 'when' it was decided or by whom.

[ceehound619]

I miss your av. :omg: lols

[boo_cocky]

I miss your av. :omg: lols

You're right..."...the Bible does not record any infants being baptized".

I miss it, too...:(

[ceehound619]

You're right..."...the Bible does not record any infants being baptized".

I miss it, too...:(
let me guess....the text talibans took it.

[boo_cocky]

let me guess....the text talibans took it.
LOL

I wonder if that's one of the first topics that scholars argued about when Christianity was established...'when' to baptize.

Jesus never told us WHEN, he just said to do it! haha

[Musicman58]

idk if I have a problem, or somethings wrong with me, but I felt absolutely nothing from that graphic picture of an aborted baby/fetus.

[boo_cocky]

idk if I have a problem, or somethings wrong with me, but I felt absolutely nothing from that graphic picture of an aborted baby/fetus.

Well, you're pro-choice and it's not your kid.

You can't sell the belief if you don't buy it.

[Willow]

I believe that you can blame that to poor parenting;

If only parents arent to shy or embarrass to talk about sex-when it is needed, then that wouldnt have happen.

Im not saying im a good mother/better mother than others, but i promised myself that i would have that "talk" with my kids when the right time comes.

anyway whatever happens-my kids will always be MY kids.
Ill always be behind them whatever happens to them..When will the right time come? Will you wait until a certain age? Or until they ask you where babies come from? What ever your answer is, I promise you will need to have the "talk" much sooner than you imagine you will.

my bad, lol.. didnt read that page.. sorry.



yes. I always believe that parents are to blame if ever their child grow up to be a menace to society. This is just my opinion.Your kids are still young. You'll have a rude awakening on this matter too someday. One of your little angels will do something that makes you say "I raised you better than that" or Where did you learn that?" You have far less control over who your children will become than you think.

But, legally, the term 'murder' is inaccurate, because having an abortion is 100% legal. Maybe 'pro-kill'...

Yeah, partial birth and late term abortions are fucking hideous, man. How can there even be an ARGUMENT that you're not sticking scissors into a baby's spine and scrambling the brains? It's literally a fully developed human!

ur really saying that a newborn and a fetus are the exact same?

no man, they are not
and that is why there is laws regarding the trimesters and how far u can go with them, the court cases of webster and casey made sure that more things were considered in order for abortion to continue
Brain activity begins at approximately 25 weeks of gestation, shortly before the beginning of the third trimester. Which is right around the time a fetus can be born and have a chance to live, likely with lifelong developmental disabilities, of course.
As MUCH the same as a newborn baby and a 2 year old baby are, yes...'EXACT', no...but, I'm 39, you're 20ish...we're both human, but far from exact. I'm older, have a few grey hairs, don't recover as quickly, not as quick or strong...

Obviously, there are changes in development...a newborn can't talk, crawl or walk...but, it's JUST as much a human as a 2 year toddler is.

A 3, 6, or 9 month old fetus/baby is in different stages of development also...but, it's still a human. I mean...what else is it? It's not a lion, it's not a kitty, it's not a monkey...it's a growing human being.It is nothing but a cluster of rapidly reproducing cells in the first three months of a pregnancy. It has no consciousness and although it can react to stimuli, it's pain receptors are not yet functioning. It cannot sustain life on it's own.

A fetus is a baby and will be a 'person' if it's not killed.It is not a fetus until about 10 weeks into the pregnancy. Before that it is an embryo, and before that, a zygote. Just saying.

Anyone who can do this...and not have it on their conscience is a fuckin animal.....dont cover your eyes....this is the truth...You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you get a double infraction, one for posting gore in General Chat, and one because you know better. :mad:

im not getting any satisfaction by looking at that pic, but thats wat abortion is, ive seen pics b4 and ive even seen the process (though a vid though)
i mean wat can i tell you? it was someones choice to do that and now theyre living with their choice
yo butterz u catholic/christian/something?
do aborted babies go to hell since they aint baptized?

serious question, not trying to be a prick or anythingTGD, I'm sorry I can only rep you once, I've see at least three rep-worthy posts by you in this thread. It's very refreshing, nicely done. You oughta step out of the fight room more often.:thumb:

So do you wanna know if I'm pro-life or pro-choice?

The answer is yes, I am. As you can see from all the posts in here, (and this thread pulled in a lurker or two), there are very strong beliefs when it comes to the abortion question. I believe a person has a right to be pro-life and keep that unwanted and unexpected pregnancy, and I also believe that a woman has a right to be pro-choice and stop the cell division prior to the the 12th week of pregnancy, which is WELL before sensation and consciousness develop.

Where I get stuck is when a woman reveals the pregnancy to the father, who wishes to keep the child and she aborts. Once the woman lets the cat out of the bag, I think dad should have equal say in the outcome, even overriding the mothers decision to abort.

[Naysayer]

Anyone who can do this...and not have it on their conscience is a fuckin animal.....dont cover your eyes....this is the truth...

Click HERE (http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt76/tiedomi619/fetusheadonside.jpg) to see the pic. (NSFW)
Call me an asshole, call me an insensitive prick, but this picture doesn't bother me. With any surgical operation, there is going to be a little blood spilled. The child pictured above was unwanted. As such, to the would-be mother, it merely represented a rapidly growing, unwanted tissue. A parasite if you will...a cancer. And like a cancer, it is always best to get to the problem quickly, to have it removed before anything bad happens. The reasons for this abortion are unknown, but whatever they may be, i support her. Whether it be from rape, childhood deformity, or simply because she doesn't want to be a mother. Perhaps she felt it was too early in her life. She didn't want her plans interrupted. Some would say, "if you don't want the child, just give it up for abortion." That is an option, but if I were a woman, i wouldn't want to go through 9 months of morning sickness, go up about 10 dress sizes just to be left with stretchmarks, sagging breasts, possibly scars, and have nothing to show for it.
Is this selfish? Self-centered and egotistical? Yes...yes it is. But so what? The way I see it, we only have one life, we have to make the best of it. If children aren't something you are looking for in life, then they merely represent another hurdle that needs to be jumped in order to meet your goals. Is it fair to the freshly conceived child? No. Sadly, the first and last lesson it will ever learn is life isn't fair. Some people just get to learn this sooner than others
/rant

[ceehound619]

You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you get a double infraction, one for posting gore in General Chat, and one because you know better. :mad:

.
its reality......... condeming me aint gonna change that.

[Willow]

its reality......... condeming me aint gonna change that.
What you posted is NOT a legal abortion. That is a fetus, and from the size of it, one that could probably have lived a normal life. It's gore. You put it up for shock value, nothing more.

[ceehound619]

What you posted is NOT a legal abortion. That is a fetus, and from the size of it, one that could probably have lived a normal life. It's gore. You put it up for shock value, nothing more.
its a partial birth abortion...and VERY legal in some states......edit.....not legal anymore I dont think.....but it was done.......dont hide the truth willow... it wont work.

[ceehound619]

anyways... I apologize if it offended anyone...wasnt my intention.....was merely my intent to make people THINK.....mods/admin...please remove it if you think it crosses the line.......meh.

[boo_cocky]

What you posted is NOT a legal abortion. That is a fetus, and from the size of it, one that could probably have lived a normal life. It's gore. You put it up for shock value, nothing more.
???
It is shocking, and it was performed on many, many babies until it was outlawed by Bush. Now that Obama's President, it may very well be legal again in the near future. He's already lifted the ban on Federal funding to abortion services ABROAD...so, our tax dollars are currently helping to kill children all over the planet.

Any fetus can live a normal life if it's allowed to complete it's gestation period the way nature intended. :thumb:

[boo_cocky]

Brain activity begins at approximately 25 weeks of gestation, shortly before the beginning of the third trimester. Which is right around the time a fetus can be born and have a chance to live, likely with lifelong developmental disabilities, of course.
It is nothing but a cluster of rapidly reproducing cells in the first three months of a pregnancy. It has no consciousness and although it can react to stimuli, it's pain receptors are not yet functioning. It cannot sustain life on it's own.

It is not a fetus until about 10 weeks into the pregnancy. Before that it is an embryo, and before that, a zygote. Just saying.

You should be ashamed of yourself. I hope you get a double infraction, one for posting gore in General Chat, and one because you know better. :mad:

TGD, I'm sorry I can only rep you once, I've see at least three rep-worthy posts by you in this thread. It's very refreshing, nicely done. You oughta step out of the fight room more often.:thumb:

So do you wanna know if I'm pro-life or pro-choice?

The answer is yes, I am. As you can see from all the posts in here, (and this thread pulled in a lurker or two), there are very strong beliefs when it comes to the abortion question. I believe a person has a right to be pro-life and keep that unwanted and unexpected pregnancy, and I also believe that a woman has a right to be pro-choice and stop the cell division prior to the the 12th week of pregnancy, which is WELL before sensation and consciousness develop.

Where I get stuck is when a woman reveals the pregnancy to the father, who wishes to keep the child and she aborts. Once the woman lets the cat out of the bag, I think dad should have equal say in the outcome, even overriding the mothers decision to abort.

No offense is intended...but, your justification is assisting in the deaths of many babies. Your rationale is desensitizing many, many young kids who are growing up being taught that an unborn life is of no value if the mother doesn't want it. You're even making Cee out to be the bad guy, and calling the picture ILLEGAL...well, that picture is NOT illegal...unless it was taken AFTER the Partial Birth Abortion Ban took place in 2003, which is beyond unlikely because a doctor won't risk his license and two years in prison. Women and men need to take more responsibility when playing with nature...put on a condom or close your legs if you don't want a child...don't kill what you created. Don't want it? Don't create it. If you fuck up, give it up for adoption. It's the parent's fault...NOT the baby's.

An abortion interferes with nature...if the CHILD is left to complete it's gestation period as nature intends, it will be born. A miscarriage is nature's way of ending a pregnancy it detects is not proceeding correctly.

Today's society doesn't even question whether it's ethical or moral...it's just accepted...it's legal...it's convenient...and people like Cee and I are viewed as wackos because we dare put a value on what you call a cluster of cells. That kinda sucks...but, a selfish society isn't going to change my beliefs.

[Seamus]

Anyone who can do this...and not have it on their conscience is a fuckin animal.....dont cover your eyes....this is the truth...

Click HERE (http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt76/tiedomi619/fetusheadonside.jpg) to see the pic. (NSFW)






Ye should take this off. Makes me sick looking at it!

[boo_cocky]

Ye should take this off. Makes me sick looking at it!
Well, a LOT more people need to look at it...ignorance is bliss, but not when millions of innocent children are being killed because of it.

[Heero Valentine]

Anyone who can do this...and not have it on their conscience is a fuckin animal.....dont cover your eyes....this is the truth...

Click HERE (http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt76/tiedomi619/fetusheadonside.jpg) to see the pic. (NSFW)

looks like dinner :D
i'm serious...i'm fucking hungry now...brb, sandwich!

-edit- Click HERE (http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/3f/2139_baby.jpg)for pic (NSFW) NOM NOM NOM! -edit-

[Seamus]

This is seriously disturbing! How can those pictures of Planeswalkerx and Butterz wife be taken off but these stay up?

[Heero Valentine]

This is seriously disturbing! How can those pictures of Planeswalkerx and Butterz wife be taken off but these stay up?

that's one question i can answer...

http://jenden.us/storage/JD/img/for_teh_lulz.jpeg

[Seamus]

Funny haha! Sure isn't Holland that all the kiddie and animal porn comes out of? And she-males!!!

[boo_cocky]

This is seriously disturbing! How can those pictures of Planeswalkerx and Butterz wife be taken off but these stay up?
LMAO

Good point...and this isn't even the Fightroom...oh man...hahahahahaha

[Heero Valentine]

Funny haha! Sure isn't Holland that all the kiddie and animal porn comes out of? And she-males!!!

kiddie and animal is from japan and china
she-males are from thailand.

:D

[MCMXCII]

Those pictures are just used as propaganda. That's what it looks like when you abort a baby way into your pregnancy. If you do it in the first few weeks, your just get a heavier period, nothing else. No need to say that all abortions kill humanoid fetuses; as I said, in the first weeks, you can't tell, it's just like a parasite.

[boo_cocky]

Those pictures are just used as propaganda. That's what it looks like when you abort a baby way into your pregnancy. If you do it in the first few weeks, your just get a heavier period, nothing else. No need to say that all abortions kill humanoid fetuses; as I said, in the first weeks, you can't tell, it's just like a parasite.
I have a picture of a 'regular' abortion...and yeah, the baby is a lot smaller...but surprisingly detailed. I'd post it here, but I already have two infractions...lol

The pic posted is a partial birth abortion...they aren't legal in the States anymore...probably looks to similar to one of them 'human beings' by that stage, so they pushed the kill date back some...LOL

Propaganda? Dude, it's a dead baby...lol...that's not a cabbage patch kid with ketchup on it.

[Seamus]

Maybe they should change the law to 5wks maximum! After that you have to go a head with it....

Abortions are illegal anyway, so women have to hop on a boat across the pond to have the procedure which is terrible.

[MCMXCII]

I have a picture of a 'regular' abortion...and yeah, the baby is a lot smaller...but surprisingly detailed. I'd post it here, but I already have two infractions...lol

The pic posted is a partial birth abortion...they aren't legal in the States anymore...probably looks to similar to one of them 'human beings' by that stage, so they pushed the kill date back some...LOL

Propaganda? Dude, it's a dead baby...lol...that's not a cabbage patch kid with ketchup on it.

Please, if you are fast enough to get the thing out, you won't even notice it. Just flush it down the toilet with your tampax and your are home free.

[Seamus]

Fuck this thread. Too soon after breakfast for me I think.

[MCMXCII]

Hm.. I am getting hungry. Let me go next door to the shack and buy some bean stew and bread.

[boo_cocky]

Please, if you are fast enough to get the thing out, you won't even notice it. Just flush it down the toilet with your tampax and your are home free.
<Arnold Schwarzenegger> It's not a TUMAH!

[MCMXCII]

<Arnold Schwarzenegger> It's not a TUMAH!

Hahaha! :thumb:

Still. Does not disprove my point.

[!NV!CTUS]

disagree....there is ZERO biblical reference/support for the baptism of children.

I second to this. Even purgatory is not in the bible.

I think it says in the bible, "you'd be judge for the sins that you make"- so therefore those aborted child will go straight to heaven.

[Naysayer]

So, if an aborted baby gets sent up to heaven, does it suddenly attain it's full grown adult appearance or does it merely float around as an undeveloped fetus? :rolleyes2:

[!NV!CTUS]

disagree....there is ZERO biblical reference/support for the baptism of children.

a newborn has the ability to recognize when its hungry when something is bothering it, etc
a fetus does not, it lives off the mother and shit, some women dont even notice that they are pregnant, why? because a fetus does not have the want or needs that a would make it as a uncompromised(sp) human


who told you? was there ever a time you have a baby inside you - no.

I have 2 kids and i can assure you that you are so misinformed.

[JACKASS2010]

shut thefuc up with the religion shit!! i know i mentioned it but i was hoping u ppl would get the point and leave it out.

[Heero Valentine]

shut thefuc up with the religion shit!! i know i mentioned it but i was hoping u ppl would get the point and leave it out.

indeed...abortion and religion got nothing to do with each other.

[!NV!CTUS]

So, if an aborted baby gets sent up to heaven, does it suddenly attain it's full grown adult appearance or does it merely float around as an undeveloped fetus? :rolleyes2:

lol.. nah.. but with respect to jack i wont go there..lol:thumb:

[JACKASS2010]

thank you Cai.

[sib]

That chopped up fetus will never submit a video to filecabi, I haven't seen capt. obvious lately, so I feel it needed to be pointed out.

[evil ernie]

when the baby hasn't developed a brain or a nervous system it isn't much different from a cancerous cyst often found on a womans ovaries ... which also has human body parts in it ...

unless you fuckers want to explain to me when something is classified as a human being ... because if you classify cells as a human life ... then you better stop beating off in the shower ... because that shit is genocide ....

[JACKASS2010]

lewl imma genocidal maniac!!!!

[MCMXCII]

So wait. Speaking of what is human and what is not?

Stem cells?

Fail?

or WINRARZ!?

[Heero Valentine]

So wait. Speaking of what is human and what is not?

Stem cells?

Fail?

or WINRARZ!?

then woman are killers every month :D so fail!

[MCMXCII]

I believe stem cells are really cool, and I don't even see why it is an ethical issue! :thumb: