Atheist Manifesto

[Pike]

Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious. Unfortunately, we live in a world in which the obvious is overlooked as a matter of principle. The atheist is simply a person who has perceived the lies of religion and refused to make them his own

It is worth noting that no one ever needs to identify himself as a non-astrologer or a non-alchemist. Consequently, we do not have words for people who deny the validity of these pseudo-disciplines. Likewise, atheism is a term that should not even exist. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. The atheist is merely a person who believes that the 260 million Americans (87% of the population) who claim to never doubt the existence of God should be obliged to present evidence for his existence and, indeed, for his benevolence, given the relentless destruction of innocent human beings we witness in the world each day.

We live in a world of unimaginable surprises--from the fusion energy that lights the sun to the genetic and evolutionary consequences of this lights dancing for eons upon the Earth--and yet Paradise conforms to our most superficial concerns with all the fidelity of a Caribbean cruise. This is wondrously strange. If one didn't know better, one would think that man, in his fear of losing all that he loves, had created heaven, along with its gatekeeper God, in his own image.

Consider the destruction that Hurricane Katrina leveled on New Orleans. More than a thousand people died, tens of thousands lost all their earthly possessions, and nearly a million were displaced. It is safe to say that almost every person living in New Orleans at the moment Katrina struck believed in an omnipotent, omniscient and compassionate God. But what was God doing while a hurricane laid waste to their city? Surely he heard the prayers of those elderly men and women who fled the rising waters for the safety of their attics, only to be slowly drowned there. These were people of faith. These were good men and women who had prayed throughout their lives. Only the atheist has the courage to admit the obvious: These poor people died talking to an imaginary friend.

Of course, there had been ample warning that a storm of biblical proportions would strike New Orleans, and the human response to the ensuing disaster was tragically inept. But it was inept only by the light of science. Advance warning of Katrina's path was wrested from mute Nature by meteorological calculations and satellite imagery. God told no one of his plans. Had the residents of New Orleans been content to rely on the beneficence of the Lord, they wouldn't have known that a killer hurricane was bearing down upon them until they felt the first gusts of wind on their faces. Nevertheless, a poll conducted by The Washington Post found that 80% of Katrina's survivors claim that the event has only strengthened their faith in God.

Only the atheist realizes how morally objectionable it is for survivors of a catastrophe to believe themselves spared by a loving God while this same God drowned infants in their cribs.

READ THE FULL MANIFESTO:
http://www.breakthesilence.ca/politics/April%2006/athiest.htm

[dizzle32]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

[Overlord]

Yeah but you're taking away two aspects of a godlike intelligence in your refution. One is the absence of the constraint of time such as when energy moves at the speed of light and beyond. Second, why would the same God who created evolution, the big bang and death be expected to nerf the world and wipe everyone's asses for them. Instead what about personal responsibilty and free choice.

You're only arguing against a benevolent God who is supposed to be like Santa Clause and bring you everything your heart desires.

What if God is really something bigger than all that. What if he created the sole molecule that created the chain reaction of universes, planets, atmospheres, animals and evolutionary mankind? What if God is really going to sit back and see what we do with our lives? What if your whole life was not a rush to the simple self-gratification but instead a call to the asthetic, disciplined life of struggle. The same kind of life you see in nature and the animals around you.

If so then the atheistic argument is nothing more than selfishness and the byproduct of a overstimulated, greed driven materialistic society.

[Overlord]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

This retarded post basically sums up what I consider modern day "atheism". Thanks for proving what I couldn't have said in words dizzle32. Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

[Vanguard]

[quote=dizzle32] Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

OMG... I listen to Slipknot... and i'm athiest... ZING. But I don't bash others religions... usually?

[dizzle32]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

This retarded post basically sums up what I consider modern day "atheism". Thanks for proving what I couldn't have said in words dizzle32. Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

who the hell listens to slipknot, and wat does that have to with anything? are u retarded? are u religious? o wait, thats the same thing, my bad

[dizzle32]

Yeah but you're taking away two aspects of a godlike intelligence in your refution. One is the absence of the constraint of time such as when energy moves at the speed of light and beyond. Second, why would the same God who created evolution, the big bang and death be expected to nerf the world and wipe everyone's asses for them. Instead what about personal responsibilty and free choice.

You're only arguing against a benevolent God who is supposed to be like Santa Clause and bring you everything your heart desires.

What if God is really something bigger than all that. What if he created the sole molecule that created the chain reaction of universes, planets, atmospheres, animals and evolutionary mankind? What if God is really going to sit back and see what we do with our lives? What if your whole life was not a rush to the simple self-gratification but instead a call to the asthetic, disciplined life of struggle. The same kind of life you see in nature and the animals around you.

If so then the atheistic argument is nothing more than selfishness and the byproduct of a overstimulated, greed driven materialistic society.

HEY (I'll be banned if I can't be cival), GOD DOES NOT EXIST. as humans in a prehistoric soceity, ppl had to create things to explain wat could not be explained through science or reason. for instance, a native american tribe once thought that everytime it rained it was god crying. WE CREATED GOD IN OUR MINDS. religion is just a cult that is accepted by the general public. life is not planned by god, controlled by god, or in anyway associated with god b/c HE DOES NOT EXIST. if u can prove me wrong by showing me proof, then by all means do so. ive been waitin for it all my life

[tgd_02]

and you cant prove Gods not real, you seem to be a little kid who just recently got tired of attending church, and decided hmm theres no god, you state that there is no god and that people cant prove hes real, so the fuck what? you cant prove that there is no higher power or that humans were bought on by evolution, you just seem to be pissed at the fact that some religions state predestiny or that you have no control of what is going to happen, so you go on an angry rant discrediting someones else's belief because of your own insecure future? WOW shut your ignorant little ass up punk bitch and stay in school
BTW: insulting overlord? yea, your boned

[godschild]

KEEP THIS POST CIVAL!! Stop the insults or take it to the fight room!!

[dizzle32]

and you cant prove Gods not real, you seem to be a little kid who just recently got tired of attending church, and decided hmm theres no god, you state that there is no god and that people cant prove hes real, so the fuck what? you cant prove that there is no higher power or that humans were bought on by evolution, you just seem to be pissed at the fact that some religions state predestiny or that you have no control of what is going to happen, so you go on an angry rant discrediting someones else's belief because of your own insecure future? WOW shut your ignorant little ass up punk bitch and stay in school
BTW: insulting overlord? yea, your boned

thank u for proving to me that u kno how to cuss. and btw, u still havent provin me wrong. and last time i checked ur post, u just discredited my views, made ridculous (although stupidly funny) assumptions bout me, and proceeded to smack talk a kid online. u must feel manly. and y would u wanna bone me b/c i insulted overlord? no seriously. are u gay? cuz thats cool if u are.

[Vanguard]

If someone can give me one decent proof of evidence that god exists, I'd be happy... Jesus = More likely so

God? Not likely

Evolution baby

[tgd_02]

i dont want to bone you....guess you took it literally....and ur accusing ppl of being wrong when your beliefs are just as unprovable as those who beiieve in god

[dizzle32]

i dont want to bone you....guess you took it literally....and ur accusing ppl of being wrong when your beliefs are just as unprovable as those who beiieve in god

i actually do think that my beliefs are more backed up with scientific evidence and reasoning than other religions. i kinda knew this whole argument was gonna happen. happens everyday in my school.

o btw, i knew u didnt want to bone me. i was just bein a smartass, lol =P

[dizzle32]

If someone can give me one decent proof of evidence that god exists, I'd be happy... Jesus = More likely so

God? Not likely

Evolution baby

i agree. jesus probably did exist. i just dont think theres a shread of evidence that supports that he is the son of god and all that jazz.

[luffy_123]

I don't know what to believe as I've not seen evidence for any religion, so I could be believing in the wrong one.

[AllisterFiend]

Evolution seems more likely than creation... Yep.

[Overlord]

HEY (I'll be banned if I can't be cival), GOD DOES NOT EXIST. as humans in a prehistoric soceity, ppl had to create things to explain wat could not be explained through science or reason. for instance, a native american tribe once thought that everytime it rained it was god crying. WE CREATED GOD IN OUR MINDS. religion is just a cult that is accepted by the general public. life is not planned by god, controlled by god, or in anyway associated with god b/c HE DOES NOT EXIST. if u can prove me wrong by showing me proof, then by all means do so. ive been waitin for it all my life

Did you come up with this while sitting on the toilet seat and you ran out of Metal Edge magazines to read? You may have created God in your mind but I don't really believe that the 90% of human life on earth that does believe in God is just living a prehistoric pipe dream because we've got nothing better to do. I can prove however that your post was misspelling, barely literate and mindless in it's logic. SO by responding you've basically address the closest thing to prehistoric mindless ape man I've read in a while.

I stand behind my original comment that your original post:

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

Was completely mindless and thus I still consider it a retarded view of the world. Your entire argument is "i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl." and then asked if anyone wanted to join your dumbass fan club of living the peak enraptured existence of a warm pudding. I assumed your original post was to derail the entire thread by mocking it but interestingly enough that was a real post by you and unbelieveably ridiculous as it was you're incredibly less astute than I gave you credit for earlier.

I spent some time thinking about my earlier post and if you're really going to talk like some punk kid huffing off of glue then why don't you stay in the backseat awhile and let the adults speak?

Do you have any intelligent comments to add to the discussion? I'm trying to figure out your racist American Indian view that basically if an enslaved and oppressed people believe something than that means it ABSOLUTELY must be false in your offensive opinion. Maybe when it rains God is actually urinating on you instead. That would be actually quite enjoyable for me to believe.

By proof you will have to find the existence of God in yourself. I consider evolution without guidance too random to create our modern existence. Our self-awareness and our concept of understand time which is a force outside of our own dimension to be evidence that higher reasoning exists and because it does not serve evolutionary function must be part of some sort of higher plan or greater intelligence.

By intelligence, dizzle32, I mean reasoning other than "other people are stupid." You talk about science but your words are emotional so which is it? Are you hypocritical or simple arguing both sides at the same time?

[dizzle32]

HEY (I'll be banned if I can't be cival), GOD DOES NOT EXIST. as humans in a prehistoric soceity, ppl had to create things to explain wat could not be explained through science or reason. for instance, a native american tribe once thought that everytime it rained it was god crying. WE CREATED GOD IN OUR MINDS. religion is just a cult that is accepted by the general public. life is not planned by god, controlled by god, or in anyway associated with god b/c HE DOES NOT EXIST. if u can prove me wrong by showing me proof, then by all means do so. ive been waitin for it all my life

Did you come up with this while sitting on the toilet seat and you ran out of Metal Edge magazines to read? You may have created God in your mind but I don't really believe that the 90% of human life on earth that does believe in God is just living a prehistoric pipe dream because we've got nothing better to do. I can prove however that your post was misspelling, barely literate and mindless in it's logic. SO by responding you've basically address the closest thing to prehistoric mindless ape man I've read in a while.

I stand behind my original comment that your original post:

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

Was completely mindless and thus I still consider it a retarded view of the world. Your entire argument is "i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl." and then asked if anyone wanted to join your dumbass fan club of living the peak enraptured existence of a warm pudding. I assumed your original post was to derail the entire thread by mocking it but interestingly enough that was a real post by you and unbelieveably ridiculous as it was you're incredibly less astute than I gave you credit for earlier.

I spent some time thinking about my earlier post and if you're really going to talk like some punk kid huffing off of glue then why don't you stay in the backseat awhile and let the adults speak?

Do you have any intelligent comments to add to the discussion? I'm trying to figure out your racist American Indian view that basically if an enslaved and oppressed people believe something than that means it ABSOLUTELY must be false in your offensive opinion. Maybe when it rains God is actually urinating on you instead. That would be actually quite enjoyable for me to believe.

By proof you will have to find the existence of God in yourself. I consider evolution without guidance too random to create our modern existence. Our self-awareness and our concept of understand time which is a force outside of our own dimension to be evidence that higher reasoning exists and because it does not serve evolutionary function must be part of some sort of higher plan or greater intelligence.

By intelligence, dizzle32, I mean reasoning other than "other people are stupid." You talk about science but your words are emotional so which is it? Are you hypocritical or simple arguing both sides at the same time?

wow, how long did it take u to write that? is this wat u do in ur free time? seriously. gah, do u really think i misspell b/c thats the way i write? god, this online, its called a shortcut.

gr8, now theres so much retarded assumptions to respond to... ok mite as well get started.

1)Did you come up with this while sitting on the toilet seat and you ran out of Metal Edge magazines to read?

- where did u make up that insult? sounds like the toilet to me. and wtf is metal edge?

2) You may have created God in your mind but I don't really believe that the 90% of human life on earth that does believe in God is just living a prehistoric pipe dream because we've got nothing better to do.

- 76.8% of ppl on earth believe in god or a higher deity/being b/c they were raised that way. just like how approx. 50% of child molesters were molested or traumatized as children.

3)I can prove however that your post was misspelling, barely literate and mindless in it's logic.

-ur right. in fact if u couldnt prove that i would think u were retarded. i misspelled on purpose to save time, which made in barely literate for ppl witout online experience, and there was no logic. it was all facts.

4) SO by responding you've basically address the closest thing to prehistoric mindless ape man I've read in a while.

- there were no apes in the prehistoric time period. where the hell did u come up with that? on the toilet? =P

5)I stand behind my original comment that your original post:

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

Was completely mindless and thus I still consider it a retarded view of the world.

- well no shit sherlock. the whole post was a joke.

6) Your entire argument is "i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl." and then asked if anyone wanted to join your dumbass fan club of living the peak enraptured existence of a warm pudding.

- again, it was a joke... but i do give u props for the pudding insult. u got creative there. and its not a fan club, its a joke. who are we fans of, fucking jesus christ?

7) I assumed your original post was to derail the entire thread by mocking it but interestingly enough that was a real post by you and unbelieveably ridiculous as it was you're incredibly less astute than I gave you credit for earlier.

- wow, look at the run on sentence. werent u the one that accused me of being illiterate? sounds like a hypocrite to me. and is was a joke. who the hell are we fans of, fucking jesus christ?

8) I spent some time thinking about my earlier post and if you're really going to talk like some punk kid huffing off of glue then why don't you stay in the backseat awhile and let the adults speak?

- simply put. last time i let the adults speak for me, bush got elected. nice move.

9)Do you have any intelligent comments to add to the discussion? I'm trying to figure out your racist American Indian view that basically if an enslaved and oppressed people believe something than that means it ABSOLUTELY must be false in your offensive opinion.

- it may be rascist but its true. only statin the facts here. sry if i offended anyone. go google it and see b4 assuming. jeez. ppl jump to conclusions to often in the thread.

10) Maybe when it rains God is actually urinating on you instead. That would be actually quite enjoyable for me to believe.

- u really want to see god peeing on me? wat is that ur sick fetish or something?

11) By proof you will have to find the existence of God in yourself.

- not possible, sry. just aint gonna happen. and wat kinda corny ass shit is that? find god in myself. maybe while im at it, i can find that fat bitch, santa claus, too and tell him he doesnt exist.

12) I consider evolution without guidance too random to create our modern existence. Our self-awareness and our concept of understand time which is a force outside of our own dimension to be evidence that higher reasoning exists and because it does not serve evolutionary function must be part of some sort of higher plan or greater intelligence.

- wow..... do u even know what evolution is? if so, then how the hell is it random? survival of the fittest. organisms with the most favorable traits survive to reproduce, thus expelling out weak traits and making stronger traits thrive. look it up einstein. its all backed up by science. and wats all this crap about forces outside of our own dimension. where did u get that from the fucking x files?

13) By intelligence, dizzle32, I mean reasoning other than "other people are stupid." You talk about science but your words are emotional so which is it? Are you hypocritical or simple arguing both sides at the same time?

- god, when will u realize its a joke. if u really want to talk aout this just IM or something. i can always block u later.

O yea, one last thing. have fun replying. which from wat i've seen (^^^^) u will.

[Overlord]

Here's my reply. Get out of the circular arguements and we'll talk about something.

What's the circular arguement? Evolution goes back to stupid apes goes back to evolution goes back to stupid apes.

Corny as it is to believe most people find their answers in themselves meaning: you can listen to your gut feelings and try to comprehend things outside of science and logic because in reality we barely know 20% of what's really happening in the world. We (people) can't even accurately predict the weather tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. much less identify the species in the rainforest or oceans so as long as you're only going to study what is absolutely scientifically proven then you might as well dig a hole and bury your own head in it.

But we both know I'm wasting my time talking to you. You're just an assfuck troll trying to derail the forum anyway...

[dizzle32]

Here's my reply. Get out of the circular arguements and we'll talk about something.

What's the circular arguement? Evolution goes back to stupid apes goes back to evolution goes back to stupid apes.

Corny as it is to believe most people find their answers in themselves meaning: you can listen to your gut feelings and try to comprehend things outside of science and logic because in reality we barely know 20% of what's really happening in the world. We (people) can't even accurately predict the weather tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. much less identify the species in the rainforest or oceans so as long as you're only going to study what is absolutely scientifically proven then you might as well dig a hole and bury your own head in it.

But we both know I'm wasting my time talking to you. You're just an assfuck troll trying to derail the forum anyway...

...sigh.... here we go again. at least this time u didnt leave a long ass message bout mindless assumptions again. everything, and I mean EVERYthing that u post can be counter-exemplified. (if u dont know what that means, it means a counter argument can be provided easily, i kno ur kinda slow)

1)What's the circular arguement? Evolution goes back to stupid apes goes back to evolution goes back to stupid apes.

- where did that come from.....? anywayz, evolution believes in the fact that homo-sapiens evolved through chimpanzees and possibly rhesus monkeys when during the pedigree (genetic pic/tree) a primate with humanistic traits begin to branch off of the chimp line. then as natural selection occurs, the traits needed to survive, were seperated from the weak traits that led us to the traits we have today. (ie. large brain, opposable thumbs, etc, etc)

btw, im not insulting u or anything this time; but do u know ANYTHING about evolution and darwinism at all?

2)
Corny as it is to believe most people find their answers in themselves meaning: you can listen to your gut feelings and try to comprehend things outside of science and logic because in reality we barely know 20% of what's really happening in the world.

- i think u just disproved urself again. gut feelings are primal instincts that primarily exists in lower lifeforms. is this really how you percieve the human race? if we did that, we would have died out a long time ago. and how do u comprehend outside of science and logic? without science and logic there IS NO COMPREHENSION! the reason we comprehend how tornadoes form is because of science and logic.

3)We (people) can't even accurately predict the weather tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. much less identify the species in the rainforest or oceans so as long as you're only going to study what is absolutely scientifically proven then you might as well dig a hole and bury your own head in it.

- ok.... where to start.....? well for starters we can predict tornadoes, through satellite imagery and wind temperture and movements. plus we dont need to predict hurricanes b/c they form out in the seas and oceans away from harm. and we can then accuratly predict where they will strike. And there are billions of species out there, with new ones being discovered as i type.

4) But we both know I'm wasting my time talking to you. You're just an assfuck troll trying to derail the forum anyway...

- nice insult. keep the coming. it gives me something to laugh at along with ur stupid posts.

[godschild]

Ex Athiest here. Still a Science head. For everything science has done it still has a long way to go. Yes as we get smarter we get a little bit more of the big picture. But for all science has done it still traces existence to one single beginning point, just like religion. Religions are easily discredited because they are made by man. Man cannot handle feeling ignorant so often times we have even made shit up in order to fell superior.

No one can prove God does exist while they are still alive. (kill yourself and your questions will be answered).

But on the other side, Science has not proven that god does not exist. It has given us great and detailed insight on what it actually takes to create life.

Beliving in God is a personal choice. Just as a child who was raised religious can become an athiest the reverse is also true. The idea that religion was created to control the masses is great as long as it stays in the zone of generalities. It breaks down when applied to individuals. At some ponit in time most people learn to apply there own reasoning to all situations. You cannot be forced to believe in God anymore than you can be forced not to.

[Overlord]

1)

btw, im not insulting u or anything this time; but do u know ANYTHING about evolution and darwinism at all?


yes, yes, yes... :roll:

Can you at least agree that natural selection eliminates more species than it creates? My meaning is that the "god" gene doesn't make sense in an evolutionary way.

i think u just disproved urself again. gut feelings are primal instincts that primarily exists in lower lifeforms. is this really how you percieve the human race? if we did that, we would have died out a long time ago. and how do u comprehend outside of science and logic? without science and logic there IS NO COMPREHENSION! the reason we comprehend how tornadoes form is because of science and logic.
Godschild made a better explination of this than I did. To rehash we actually comprehend very little of the world. You're going to have to use your own sometimes *gasp* unscientifically proven experience to explain things.

well for starters we can predict tornadoes, through satellite imagery and wind temperture and movements. plus we dont need to predict hurricanes b/c they form out in the seas and oceans away from harm. and we can then accuratly predict where they will strike. And there are billions of species out there, with new ones being discovered as i type.

A tornado just blasted through our area last week. And we're not discussing the NEED to predict we're talking about pure knowledge right? Like the knowledge of a higher intelligence...

[b] 4) But we both know I'm wasting my time talking to you. You're just an assfuck troll trying to derail the forum anyway...

- nice insult. keep the coming. it gives me something to laugh at along with ur stupid posts.
You started trolling this post and now you're participating... great. Maybe next time you'll participate instead of being an asshole.

[dizzle32]

No one can prove God does exist while they are still alive. (kill yourself and your questions will be answered).


great advice... :roll: ...lol

[Rocker Kid]

I believe in god well almost. You know Jesus was a real person they say? Well I belive he was a real person but ruling the heavens? Oh so hard to grasp, understand, or believe but I try. You know the Indians made up gods because they weren't around i've heard, in Jesus's time. They didn't have books or a way to write I've heard so even if a Bible washed ashore one day they wouldn't know what to do with it. Aithiests on this board you should go talk to a priest, Nun, Mother, brother ect probably from the Catholic Church cuz' I wouldn't want you to run into some "Praise thee lord Je-he-sus wash away-hee yo sins ma child!" kind of person cuz they most likely would turn you off. BUt you sound just as stupid as a person who believes in god because there isn't hard eveidance that one DOESN'T exist is there? So running around saying "there is no god just admit it" isn't quite right. But you can belive whatever you want.

[jasonx585]

do you really think we will ever know if there is a god, for me the evolution theory is 10 times more plausable than the creationist theory

[Big Ozzie]

AllyouATHEIST'Swhokeeparguingthisridiculousargumen taboutreligionand notbelievinginGODisabouttofeelhiswrath! Godwillcurseyoubymakingallthe wordsthatyouarereadingruntogetherintoonewordandtha nyouwillgoblindwithin24hours!

[Rocker Kid]

AllyouATHEIST'Swhokeeparguingthisridiculousargumen taboutreligionand notbelievinginGODisabouttofeelhiswrath! Godwillcurseyoubymakingallthe wordsthatyouarereadingruntogetherintoonewordandtha nyouwillgoblindwithin24hours!

And some people say some of MY posts are dumb?!?!

[Big Ozzie]

AllyouATHEIST'Swhokeeparguingthisridiculousargumen taboutreligionand notbelievinginGODisabouttofeelhiswrath! Godwillcurseyoubymakingallthe wordsthatyouarereadingruntogetherintoonewordandtha nyouwillgoblindwithin24hours!

And some people say some of MY posts are dumb?!?!

ONLY AS DUMB AS THIS ON GOING ARGUEMENT......IT WILL NEVER END....NO ONE CAN EVER GIVE THE CORRECT ANSWER....THE ARGUEMENT IS THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD...THAT IS WHY RELIGION IS BASED ON FAITH, NOT SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

[Uh oh]

no argument will ever be settled online.

words written are always nothing but the author's opinion, and people differ in opinion. it is like trying to convince a person who hates chocolate ice cream that chocolate ice cream is the greatest tasting thing ever, you'll get no where.

only when someone sits face to face with another and talks with them, and without argument but debate and providing facts can they ever come to a civilized conclusion on an issue. if not a conclusion, then they will have broadened their view on the subject and take newer things into consideration.

you all need to watch this video
http://www.filecabi.net/u.php?file=1137608564.wmv
and pay closest attention to the debating politics part.

[Commando80]

i dont like atheists... they are just weird to me

[Rocker Kid]

AllyouATHEIST'Swhokeeparguingthisridiculousargumen taboutreligionand notbelievinginGODisabouttofeelhiswrath! Godwillcurseyoubymakingallthe wordsthatyouarereadingruntogetherintoonewordandtha nyouwillgoblindwithin24hours!

And some people say some of MY posts are dumb?!?!

ONLY AS DUMB AS THIS ON GOING ARGUEMENT......IT WILL NEVER END....NO ONE CAN EVER GIVE THE CORRECT ANSWER....THE ARGUEMENT IS THOUSANDS OF YEARS OLD...THAT IS WHY RELIGION IS BASED ON FAITH, NOT SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE.

Thats true. I don't think people will ever prove that there is or is not a god. And the millions of aithiest boards on this forum never prove anything. It will not be proved on the internet by a bunch on numbskulls like us.

[Cheb]

We don't need scientific proof.

[Smashmouth]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't, no proof is enough.

[KitRae]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't, no proof is enough.

Amen!

[Smashmouth]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't, no proof is enough.

Amen!
Is that meant in the creationist or evolutionist sense? :lol:

[Big Ozzie]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't, no proof is enough.

Thankyou and good quote, SMASHMOUTH. I have posted that at the top of my monitor.

[Smashmouth]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't, no proof is enough.

Thankyou and good quote, SMASHMOUTH. I have posted that at the top of my monitor.
You're very welcome Sir, Smashmouth speaks only the truth.

[Rocker Kid]

Awsome post Smash.

[Smashmouth]

Awsome post Smash.
Smashmouth thanks you, he who is really a she.

[Cheb]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't, no proof is enough.

Amen!
Is that meant in the creationist or evolutionist sense? :lol:
Indeed a great quote ;)

By the way evolution does not necessarily disprove creationism. I believe in both.

[Smashmouth]

For those who believe, no proof is necessary.
For those who don't, no proof is enough.

Amen!
Is that meant in the creationist or evolutionist sense? :lol:
Indeed a great quote ;)

By the way evolution does not necessarily disprove creationism. I believe in both.
As does Smashmouth. He can see that Cheb obviosly has some class. This pleases Smashmouth.

[Eddie The Trooper]

isnt it interesting how christians always attack athieism, but athiest never attact christions? Its a belief, no better, no worse.

[Cheb]

Yes let us all think about that now... :roll: :roll:

[crazyjoe]

I'm an athiest. I have been tought the beliefs of Catholics(not by choice...by force.....thx mom) and I do not follow it.

I respect other's belief and that's where my beef with religion ends. I do have problems though when people try to force religion upon me. It pisses me off.

[__BLAK__]

I'm an athiest. I have been tought the beliefs of Catholics(not by choice...by force.....thx mom) and I do not follow it.

I respect other's belief and that's where my beef with religion ends. I do have problems though when people try to force religion upon me. It pisses me off.


same here.. i was raised in a christian church but as i got older i started to ask more questions about my religon and my pastor and church members didn't have the answers. I also started thinking scientifically and most of the things i learned in church didn't add up. I do belive in a "GOD" somewhat.

Everybody has their own belifes and it's not right to say that someone elses religion is stupid or fake for the fact that it's impossible to actually prove that your religion is the right one.

I just say live a good life

[Cheb]

True it may not be possible to prove such things without faith. However it would be the logical decision to go with what makes most sense to you. And in order to find out what makes sense, you should research whatever possibilities available until you come up with a satisfactory conclusion.
If you really do believe in God, don't you think it would make sense that He put us here for a reason? Don't you think he would guide us to the truth if we truly seek it?

[Evil Conservative]

God is a necessary being, a being that cannot not-be; the universe is contingent; that is, everything in the universe begins and ends. But God is an exception because He has no beginning and ending. He just IS.
Since everything in the universe can come to be and pass away, if the universe had always existed without God, nothing would be here now. But things are here. So there must be a God. :idea:

[Rocker Kid]

I'm an athiest. I have been tought the beliefs of Catholics(not by choice...by force.....thx mom) and I do not follow it.

I respect other's belief and that's where my beef with religion ends. I do have problems though when people try to force religion upon me. It pisses me off.

Yeah I am a Catholic but my parents never forced me to belive it. Just just told me to pay attenchion in Mass and explained anything I didn't get.

And yes I do belive in evolution along with the creation. Part of evolution is natural selection. Natural selection allows living organisms to better adjust to their enviroment usually in a very log or short period of time. That sounds like a gift from god to me. Better adjustments to your enviroment, how nice.

[Cheb]

Well it is the parents’ job to make sure that their kid is raised in an acceptable way. How someone defines "acceptable" depends on many things. A religious person may find it acceptable to raise his kids with a religious background. An atheist may not want his kids believing in God. Fact is, when we are kids we need people to choose for us. I think a parent would be stupid if they left their kids to decide what is right for them on their own. Kids are stupid regardless of how smart they may appear to be. So they should rely on their parents until they are independent of them. After that, you can make your own choice.

[Evil Conservative]

Well it is the parents’ job to make sure that their kid is raised in an acceptable way. How someone defines "acceptable" depends on many things. A religious person may find it acceptable to raise his kids with a religious background. An atheist may not want his kids believing in God. Fact is, when we are kids we need people to choose for us. I think a parent would be stupid if they left their kids to decide what is right for them on their own. Kids are stupid regardless of how smart they may appear to be. So they should rely on their parents until they are independent of them. After that, you can make your own choice.

So what if your the child of an atheist and you decide that you believe in God? What's a kid to do with a parent like you? What's he going to think when you try to wash his mind of God's existance? Furthermore what is the harm in a child believing in a moral God; believing in the afterlife and that we aren't just recycled dirt? What's the harm in believing there may just be consequences for bad actions? You might as well forget Santa Clause and all his reindeer for your family Christmas. There is no God. How can anything else exist especially in the mind of a child? "Son, this is free present day.". :lol: Where the Hell is the fun in that. Being a child is the best part of your life..when anything(Santa,Easter Bunny,Tooth Fairy,etc.) is possible in your mind. As it should be.
At any rate...there is at least one God. Read my last post and riddle me that Batman.

[Oso]

Any religion works as long as it works for you...

End of discussion...

[Cheb]

So what if your the child of an atheist and you decide that you believe in God? What's a kid to do with a parent like you?
So am I the kid or the parent? :roll:

What's he going to think when you try to wash his mind of God's existance? Furthermore what is the harm in a child believing in a moral God; believing in the afterlife and that we aren't just recycled dirt? What's the harm in believing there may just be consequences for bad actions?
Ok so this is what I believe. We are born with the belief of God in us. It is natural and only through certain life experiences do we decide not to believe in God (or believe in him in a certain way). That is the default not the opposite. If someone is truly seeking the truth, they will find it. So Atheist parents may have an influence at a young age, but eventually the kid will grow up and make his own decisions. It is unfortunate that we see many parents these days powerless over their kids. Parents' influence is decreasing and peer pressure is increasing.

You might as well forget Santa Clause and all his reindeer for your family Christmas.
No problem since I don't celebrate Christmas anyway ;)
There is no God. How can anything else exist especially in the mind of a child? "Son, this is free present day.". :lol: Where the Hell is the fun in that. Being a child is the best part of your life..when anything(Santa,Easter Bunny,Tooth Fairy,etc.) is possible in your mind. As it should be.
But why teach them fiction when you can teach them fact? (I am talking about the names in the brackets) They can have just as much fun with that don’t you think?
Besides, fun is overrated, happiness is underrated.

At any rate...there is at least one God. Read my last post and riddle me that Batman. [/quote]
Which post?

[Evil Conservative]

So am I the kid or the parent? :roll:

It's a hypothetical situation I proposed.... :?:

Ok so this is what I believe. We are born with the belief of God in us. It is natural and only through certain life experiences do we decide not to believe in God (or believe in him in a certain way). That is the default not the opposite. If someone is truly seeking the truth, they will find it. So Atheist parents may have an influence at a young age, but eventually the kid will grow up and make his own decisions. It is unfortunate that we see many parents these days powerless over their kids. Parents' influence is decreasing and peer pressure is increasing.

Parents are indeed the most influential thing in a child's life if they are good parents. Atheists have the right to teach their beliefs to their own children just as a satanist or those morons from Westboro Baptist Church. I don't agree with it however. It just seems in some situations it could be harmfull on the pysch of a child and because I believe in a creator being(God) I think that blatantly teaching a child there is no God is just the wrong thing to do.
As to parents being powerless over their children..it's all about how you parent your child. I blame the parents more than culture.

But why teach them fiction when you can teach them fact? (I am talking about the names in the brackets) They can have just as much fun with that don’t you think?
Besides, fun is overrated, happiness is underrated.

No I don't think it would be just as fun if young children think there is no Santa..etc. I sure didn't when I was a child and my middle brother ruined it for me by showing me my present(an Atari 2600 :lol: ) from Santa before Christmas. Imagination is a very important thing as a child..unless you want a robot. There is no harm in children's tales to be sure.
Oh and wouldn't fun and happiness go for the most part hand in hand? :wink: How can you be happy without having fun? How can you have fun without being happy? :P

Which post?

The one above Rocker Kid's on this page.

[Cheb]

It's a hypothetical situation I proposed.... :?:
Yes I figured that out. You just worded it wrongly.

Parents are indeed the most influential thing in a child's life if they are good parents. Atheists have the right to teach their beliefs to their own children just as a satanist or those morons from Westboro Baptist Church. I don't agree with it however. It just seems in some situations it could be harmfull on the pysch of a child and because I believe in a creator being(God) I think that blatantly teaching a child there is no God is just the wrong thing to do.
And I totally agree with that. We cannot force parents to teach their kids what 'we' see as right. As outsiders all we can do is offer guidance.
As to parents being powerless over their children..it's all about how you parent your child. I blame the parents more than culture.
I blame the governments that allow children to have more power than they should. It depends really.


No I don't think it would be just as fun if young children think there is no Santa..etc. I sure didn't when I was a child and my middle brother ruined it for me by showing me my present(an Atari 2600 :lol: ) from Santa before Christmas.
Ahh the Atari...The memories :):)
Anyway it depends on your beliefs. There are much more important things to be taught in life than fictitious characters. Even children need to understand that. Children are children and they can have fun doing anything. I know I did. So how they have fun is not a big deal.


Imagination is a very important thing as a child..unless you want a robot. There is no harm in children's tales to be sure.
Oh and wouldn't fun and happiness go for the most part hand in hand? :wink: How can you be happy without having fun? How can you have fun without being happy? :P
Ok I will explain. Let us take an adult example, someone can have a lot of fun in a club dancing, drinking, and having sex with a hot blonde by the end of the night. When that person wakes up the next day, would he necessarily be happy?



The one above Rocker Kid's on this page.

Oh I missed it. Ya well good point, and I agree with it.
By the way just to clear things up, I am a Muslim.

[Evil Conservative]

I didn't word it wrong if you read it right. :D
Government is a part of it as well..I don't like the liberals jumping all over parents when they give their kid a smack on the arse in public as correction. I'm not talking about child abuse, but spanking your child is a must for some things.
Ok I will explain. Let us take an adult example, someone can have a lot of fun in a club dancing, drinking, and having sex with a hot blonde by the end of the night. When that person wakes up the next day, would he necessarily be happy?

Of course he would be happy...from having fun..if he is a sane man that is... :lol: :shock: :lol:
I see what your trying to say...and having fun doesn't all the time mean your a generally happy person. And that to be happy some people don't have to do what others consider fun. You could be a braindead cable zombie and be happy. I just said "for the most part go hand in hand".

Sorry I apparently blatantly mistook you for an atheist. My apologies. I do get caught up sometimes and it's late. :wink:

[Cheb]

No worries. I guess we agree on things for the most part.

Except one thing :twisted:
"So what if your the child of an atheist and you decide that you believe in God? What's a kid to do with a parent like you? "

Childish I know but I had to get this off my chest :lol:
I can't be both the child and the parent now can i? 8)

[Evil Conservative]

No worries. I guess we agree on things for the most part.

Except one thing :twisted:
"So what if your the child of an atheist and you decide that you believe in God? What's a kid to do with a parent like you? "

Childish I know but I had to get this off my chest :lol:
I can't be both the child and the parent now can i? 8)

So what if your a child of an atheist and you(the child) decide that you(the child) believe in God? What's a kid(The child or any kid in this situation anywhere) to do with a parent like you(an atheist parent)?

This was not the way to put it with you because I know now you aren't an atheist,but you should understand the wording more now. :)

[verticalkiller]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

This retarded post basically sums up what I consider modern day "atheism". Thanks for proving what I couldn't have said in words dizzle32. Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

who the hell listens to slipknot, and wat does that have to with anything? are u retarded? are u religious? o wait, thats the same thing, my bad

Hey fuck you, you dirty old twat. Im religious-ish and i'm sure im smarter than you are. All you do is bash religions so you can feel secure in your own decision. What does it accomplish besides making people pray even harder to their God for your salvation? get fucked and come up with something better to say.

[dizzle32]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

This retarded post basically sums up what I consider modern day "atheism". Thanks for proving what I couldn't have said in words dizzle32. Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

who the hell listens to slipknot, and wat does that have to with anything? are u retarded? are u religious? o wait, thats the same thing, my bad

Hey fuck you, you dirty old twat. Im religious-ish and i'm sure im smarter than you are. All you do is bash religions so you can feel secure in your own decision. What does it accomplish besides making people pray even harder to their God for your salvation? get fucked and come up with something better to say.
rofl, silly religious ppl. thinking they are right. i beg to differ. "im religious - ish" haha. you only want to follow the ideas of ur religion when its convienient. you would probably die thinking you would go to heaven just because its convieniet to think that. but as soon as some hot chick starts makin a move on you, you start cheatin on ur wife. lmao. stupid religious ppl. god is just a convienient way of thinking about something.

[cheese muffin]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

This retarded post basically sums up what I consider modern day "atheism". Thanks for proving what I couldn't have said in words dizzle32. Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

who the hell listens to slipknot, and wat does that have to with anything? are u retarded? are u religious? o wait, thats the same thing, my bad

Hey fuck you, you dirty old twat. Im religious-ish and i'm sure im smarter than you are. All you do is bash religions so you can feel secure in your own decision. What does it accomplish besides making people pray even harder to their God for your salvation? get fucked and come up with something better to say.
rofl, silly religious ppl. thinking they are right. i beg to differ. "im religious - ish" haha. you only want to follow the ideas of ur religion when its convienient. you would probably die thinking you would go to heaven just because its convieniet to think that. but as soon as some hot chick starts makin a move on you, you start cheatin on ur wife. lmao. stupid religious ppl. god is just a convienient way of thinking about something.

lol, nice to see we're being civilized here. at least theres one guy that supports my views at this place. fun fun fun. :wink:

[tgd_02]

no atheists in foxholes

[cheese muffin]

no atheists in foxholes

lol, what :?:

[godschild]

no atheists in foxholes

lol, what :?:

it means when your ass is on the line, everyone believes in god.

[verticalkiller]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

This retarded post basically sums up what I consider modern day "atheism". Thanks for proving what I couldn't have said in words dizzle32. Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

who the hell listens to slipknot, and wat does that have to with anything? are u retarded? are u religious? o wait, thats the same thing, my bad

Hey fuck you, you dirty old twat. Im religious-ish and i'm sure im smarter than you are. All you do is bash religions so you can feel secure in your own decision. What does it accomplish besides making people pray even harder to their God for your salvation? get fucked and come up with something better to say.
rofl, silly religious ppl. thinking they are right. i beg to differ. "im religious - ish" haha. you only want to follow the ideas of ur religion when its convienient. you would probably die thinking you would go to heaven just because its convieniet to think that. but as soon as some hot chick starts makin a move on you, you start cheatin on ur wife. lmao. stupid religious ppl. god is just a convienient way of thinking about something.

I say religious-ish because I swear like a sailor amongst several other un-Godly things. I believe in God mostly because i'd rather be safe than wrong. I'd rather find out that isn't a God and just rot in the ground rather than claim there isn't one and burn in hell. Im not a guy but even if it were the other way around I have a little something called morality. Besides, im not going to jeopradize my way of life for a quick fuck. Maybe you would, but I would not. You just like to offend religious people, you should try harder by the way. Calling them stupid and misguided, thats just something if you're religious you hear every single day. It's part of the whole burder thing.

[hi]

Ok, again, it's like this...

God does not exist; there is no evidence that it does, you have all been brainwashed from birth to believe in a mythical being that is not real, in the same way that ghosts are not real, no matter what JiggaT2 would have you believe. :? There is no life after death, no Heaven or Hell.

Think about it. If everyone stopped having irrational thoughts about non existent entities then there would be no Terrorism now, there would be no Arab-Israeli conflict, the Muslims would not be treating their women like dirt, the Christians and Jews would not be treating the Muslims like dirt. Etc.

[cheese muffin]

hey there, im atheist too. and i agree with everything u say. except i bash religion alot and tend to offend ppl. anywayz.. wat i wanted to ask was if u wanted to join EAC (evil atheist conspiracy)? its a joke but it still represents ur .... uh religion?.... no. it represents ur views.

This retarded post basically sums up what I consider modern day "atheism". Thanks for proving what I couldn't have said in words dizzle32. Let me guess, you listen to Slipknot right?

who the hell listens to slipknot, and wat does that have to with anything? are u retarded? are u religious? o wait, thats the same thing, my bad

Hey fuck you, you dirty old twat. Im religious-ish and i'm sure im smarter than you are. All you do is bash religions so you can feel secure in your own decision. What does it accomplish besides making people pray even harder to their God for your salvation? get fucked and come up with something better to say.
rofl, silly religious ppl. thinking they are right. i beg to differ. "im religious - ish" haha. you only want to follow the ideas of ur religion when its convienient. you would probably die thinking you would go to heaven just because its convieniet to think that. but as soon as some hot chick starts makin a move on you, you start cheatin on ur wife. lmao. stupid religious ppl. god is just a convienient way of thinking about something.

I say religious-ish because I swear like a sailor amongst several other un-Godly things. I believe in God mostly because i'd rather be safe than wrong. I'd rather find out that isn't a God and just rot in the ground rather than claim there isn't one and burn in hell. Im not a guy but even if it were the other way around I have a little something called morality. Besides, im not going to jeopradize my way of life for a quick fuck. Maybe you would, but I would not. You just like to offend religious people, you should try harder by the way. Calling them stupid and misguided, thats just something if you're religious you hear every single day. It's part of the whole burder thing.

not very hard to offend religious ppl. just publish something that makes fun of it and you'll get pissed. just look at the davinci code. the fuckin pope wants an apology. has he gotten one? no. madonna had a mock cruxification at her concert. everybody got pissed. she give out an apology. no. simple as that.

[cheese muffin]

[quote="godschild
it means when your ass is on the line, everyone believes in god.[/quote]
obviously not from what some of these posts say. all the proof you can come up with is peer pressure and the dumb ass waste of paper you call the bible.

[Evil Conservative]

[quote="godschild
it means when your ass is on the line, everyone believes in god.
obviously not from what some of these posts say. all the proof you can come up with is peer pressure and the dumb ass waste of paper you call the bible.[/quote]

Why don't you prove to me there ins't a God...asshole. Read my first post in this thread a page or two back and answer that for me...narrow minded atheits annoy me...especially when all they like to do is make fun of religion which is a very personal thing to most people. Do religous people actively flame atheists? Believe what you want peckerneck, but why don't you do us a favor and keep your jokes and flaming about religion to yourself. That goes for the other moron as well.
You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove to you there is a God. I think my first post in this thread pretty well brainfucks you though, if you read it and actually think about it for more than 2 seconds in your small minds.

[cheese muffin]

[quote="godschild
it means when your ass is on the line, everyone believes in god.
obviously not from what some of these posts say. all the proof you can come up with is peer pressure and the dumb ass waste of paper you call the bible.

Why don't you prove to me there ins't a God...asshole. Read my first post in this thread a page or two back and answer that for me...narrow minded atheits annoy me...especially when all they like to do is make fun of religion which is a very personal thing to most people. Do religous people actively flame atheists? Believe what you want peckerneck, but why don't you do us a favor and keep your jokes and flaming about religion to yourself. That goes for the other moron as well.
You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove to you there is a God. I think my first post in this thread pretty well brainfucks you though, if you read it and actually think about it for more than 2 seconds in your small minds.[/quote]

omg, this antsy little bitch wont go away......

ok answer this for me: Where is he? huh? where is he? i dont see him. do you see him? i sure dont. well maybe we cant see him. do you know where he is? hm? i dont either.

[Evil Conservative]

[quote="godschild
it means when your ass is on the line, everyone believes in god.
obviously not from what some of these posts say. all the proof you can come up with is peer pressure and the dumb ass waste of paper you call the bible.

Why don't you prove to me there ins't a God...asshole. Read my first post in this thread a page or two back and answer that for me...narrow minded atheits annoy me...especially when all they like to do is make fun of religion which is a very personal thing to most people. Do religous people actively flame atheists? Believe what you want peckerneck, but why don't you do us a favor and keep your jokes and flaming about religion to yourself. That goes for the other moron as well.
You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove to you there is a God. I think my first post in this thread pretty well brainfucks you though, if you read it and actually think about it for more than 2 seconds in your small minds.

omg, this antsy little bitch wont go away......

ok answer this for me: Where is he? huh? where is he? i dont see him. do you see him? i sure dont. well maybe we cant see him. do you know where he is? hm? i dont either.[/quote]

He is beyond you pathetic minds to comprehend. The oldest of sayings ..Just because you can't see,hear,smell something doesn't mean it does not exist.

[cheese muffin]

[quote="godschild
it means when your ass is on the line, everyone believes in god.
obviously not from what some of these posts say. all the proof you can come up with is peer pressure and the dumb ass waste of paper you call the bible.

Why don't you prove to me there ins't a God...asshole. Read my first post in this thread a page or two back and answer that for me...narrow minded atheits annoy me...especially when all they like to do is make fun of religion which is a very personal thing to most people. Do religous people actively flame atheists? Believe what you want peckerneck, but why don't you do us a favor and keep your jokes and flaming about religion to yourself. That goes for the other moron as well.
You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove to you there is a God. I think my first post in this thread pretty well brainfucks you though, if you read it and actually think about it for more than 2 seconds in your small minds.

omg, this antsy little bitch wont go away......

ok answer this for me: Where is he? huh? where is he? i dont see him. do you see him? i sure dont. well maybe we cant see him. do you know where he is? hm? i dont either.

He is beyond you pathetic minds to comprehend. The oldest of sayings ..Just because you can't see,hear,smell something doesn't mean it does not exist.[/quote]

wow is that the best you could come up with? hes beyond my mind. thats just the kind of bullcrap i expected. Pretend god operated on the same principles of santa clause or the tooth fairy. we dont see them. but we hear about them, but we promptly dismiss these stories, because we know that there is no way a fat guy in a red suit can travel through the world to every house. or that a woman with wings takes ur tooth and leaves a money. so i ask you this: what makes you believe that god exists?

[verticalkiller]

[quote="godschild
it means when your ass is on the line, everyone believes in god.
obviously not from what some of these posts say. all the proof you can come up with is peer pressure and the dumb ass waste of paper you call the bible.

Why don't you prove to me there ins't a God...asshole. Read my first post in this thread a page or two back and answer that for me...narrow minded atheits annoy me...especially when all they like to do is make fun of religion which is a very personal thing to most people. Do religous people actively flame atheists? Believe what you want peckerneck, but why don't you do us a favor and keep your jokes and flaming about religion to yourself. That goes for the other moron as well.
You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove to you there is a God. I think my first post in this thread pretty well brainfucks you though, if you read it and actually think about it for more than 2 seconds in your small minds.

omg, this antsy little bitch wont go away......

ok answer this for me: Where is he? huh? where is he? i dont see him. do you see him? i sure dont. well maybe we cant see him. do you know where he is? hm? i dont either.

He is beyond you pathetic minds to comprehend. The oldest of sayings ..Just because you can't see,hear,smell something doesn't mean it does not exist.

wow is that the best you could come up with? hes beyond my mind. thats just the kind of bullcrap i expected. Pretend god operated on the same principles of santa clause or the tooth fairy. we dont see them. but we hear about them, but we promptly dismiss these stories, because we know that there is no way a fat guy in a red suit can travel through the world to every house. or that a woman with wings takes ur tooth and leaves a money. so i ask you this: what makes you believe that god exists?[/quote]

Im not even going to get into the whole religion thing, cause it just comes straight out the bible and since you see it as nothing more than a phamplet on the ground I wont bother. But in so little words, faith. Its just faith. If you don't want to believe in a God then don't but whats the point in bashing those who are religious? Just to piss someone off? By the way, I hope you weren't talking about me with that 'religious people get pissed easily thing' you'd be sadly mistaken my dear.

[tgd_02]

again, theres no atheists in foxholes, believe in what you want but dont come in here thinking that wat the fuck you believe in is the one and only right thing

[Evil Conservative]

God is a necessary being, a being that cannot not-be; the universe is contingent; that is, everything in the universe begins and ends. But God is an exception because He has no beginning and ending. He just IS.
Since everything in the universe can come to be and pass away, if the universe had always existed without God, nothing would be here now. But things are here. So there must be a God. :idea:

Since you can't simply go back and read yourself here is my first post to this thread,cheeseholer.

[hi]

FFS could you all not learn to quote properly? It is not exactly a difficult syntax to learn...

Why don't you prove to me there ins't a God...asshole. Read my first post in this thread a page or two back and answer that for me...narrow minded atheits annoy me...especially when all they like to do is make fun of religion which is a very personal thing to most people. Do religous people actively flame atheists?


Well you just called one an asshole for no particular reason.

Believe what you want peckerneck, but why don't you do us a favor and keep your jokes and flaming about religion to yourself. That goes for the other moron as well.
You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove to you there is a God. I think my first post in this thread pretty well brainfucks you though, if you read it and actually think about it for more than 2 seconds in your small minds.

Ok, let's see what your amazing brainfucking post was...

God is a necessary being, a being that cannot not-be; the universe is contingent; that is, everything in the universe begins and ends. But God is an exception because He has no beginning and ending. He just IS.
Since everything in the universe can come to be and pass away, if the universe had always existed without God, nothing would be here now. But things are here. So there must be a God. :idea:

Wow, I am amazed. Their must be a god, because you don't know how the Universe was created. Genius. Just like the people thousands of years ago who made all this up in the first place. "I wonder what made the Earth and all the Animals? I'll be fucked if I know, let's create an imaginary being to explain away our lack of understanding of evolution!"

And bible bashing crazies are trying to make people learn this BS in school as Intelligent design. It's like a plague of ignorance. I would laugh, but people actualy take this crap seriously. :?

Tbh the worst thing at the moment is the Catholic church spreading lies about condoms, saying that condoms don't protect you against AIDs and stuff like you won't go to heaven if you use them. There are countries in Africa with nearly half their populations HIV positive. Is literally a crime against humanity to trick vulnerable people in this way. :x


The European Union has condemned Catholic Church "bigotry" over the use of condoms to fight HIV.

European Commissioner Poul Nielsen made his comments on the BBC's Panorama programme, broadcast on Sunday.

Mr Nielsen said: "They are hurting and bringing into great danger the lives of millions out there."

His comments were in response to a Vatican paper that claimed the HIV virus - which leads to Aids - can pass through latex condoms and cause infection.

The HIV virus varies in size but is approximately 100 nanometres (one millionth of a millimetre). A spermatozoid (sperm cell) by contrast measures 3000 nanometres. The official norm for intra-molecular spaces in latex condoms is 25 nanometres which is more than enough to combat the spread of the virus.

Your sig image is rather ironic considering your own beliefs.
Prompt soothing relief from painful truths, logic and dissent
Treats over inflated sense of self importance.
Protects challenged world-views

[Evil Conservative]

FFS could you all not learn to quote properly? It is not exactly a difficult syntax to learn...

Why don't you prove to me there ins't a God...asshole. Read my first post in this thread a page or two back and answer that for me...narrow minded atheits annoy me...especially when all they like to do is make fun of religion which is a very personal thing to most people. Do religous people actively flame atheists?


Well you just called one an asshole for no particular reason.

Believe what you want peckerneck, but why don't you do us a favor and keep your jokes and flaming about religion to yourself. That goes for the other moron as well.
You can no more prove there is no God than we can prove to you there is a God. I think my first post in this thread pretty well brainfucks you though, if you read it and actually think about it for more than 2 seconds in your small minds.

Ok, let's see what your amazing brainfucking post was...

God is a necessary being, a being that cannot not-be; the universe is contingent; that is, everything in the universe begins and ends. But God is an exception because He has no beginning and ending. He just IS.
Since everything in the universe can come to be and pass away, if the universe had always existed without God, nothing would be here now. But things are here. So there must be a God. :idea:

Wow, I am amazed. Their must be a god, because you don't know how the Universe was created. Genius. Just like the people thousands of years ago who made all this up in the first place. "I wonder what made the Earth and all the Animals? I'll be fucked if I know, let's create an imaginary being to explain away our lack of understanding of evolution!"

And bible bashing crazies are trying to make people learn this BS in school as Intelligent design. It's like a plague of ignorance. I would laugh, but people actualy take this crap seriously. :?

Tbh the worst thing at the moment is the Catholic church spreading lies about condoms, saying that condoms don't protect you against AIDs and stuff like you won't go to heaven if you use them. There are countries in Africa with nearly half their populations HIV positive. Is literally a crime against humanity to trick vulnerable people in this way. :x


The European Union has condemned Catholic Church "bigotry" over the use of condoms to fight HIV.

European Commissioner Poul Nielsen made his comments on the BBC's Panorama programme, broadcast on Sunday.

Mr Nielsen said: "They are hurting and bringing into great danger the lives of millions out there."

His comments were in response to a Vatican paper that claimed the HIV virus - which leads to Aids - can pass through latex condoms and cause infection.

The HIV virus varies in size but is approximately 100 nanometres (one millionth of a millimetre). A spermatozoid (sperm cell) by contrast measures 3000 nanometres. The official norm for intra-molecular spaces in latex condoms is 25 nanometres which is more than enough to combat the spread of the virus.

Your sig image is rather ironic considering your own beliefs.
Prompt soothing relief from painful truths, logic and dissent
Treats over inflated sense of self importance.
Protects challenged world-views

LOL your a funny one(aren't they all). You didn't even think on my post at all. You dismissed it like flushing a toilet without even bothering with it.
When you get close to death son..if you have the time to think...you'll be praying. You strike me as one of the invicible teenagers...soon you will find you are not invincible..you can die...and you'll be scared of it. You can talk all you want but I know from firsthand experience what your mind will go through. I'm 99% sure when your dying or fearing for your life your going to be praying to the creator. Even famed Carl Sagon became a Theist before he died. He recognized that there had to be some intelligence to start things in motion. You will too..sooner or later. Atheists aren't in the habit of staying that way their entire lives I've noted.
My Signature pic is directed at others..and you. All who are blinded by self righteous beliefs of any type. Are you not being self-righteous in your atheism? You absolutely are. Why don't you just drop it. Your not going to prove anything and this argument is older than you by several thousand years. :roll: :twisted:

[hi]

Well, I can't see it happening myself, time will tell. :wink:

[cheese muffin]

i almost died once. i needed a new kidney when i was 12 and as i sat in the hospital, i sure didnt believe that god was there. but luckily for me, they had a kidney for me that was donated by a young boy who had died in a car accident. lucky me.
while you say that you athiests change their minds too often, what about you theists? all you do to defend your point of view is tell us things like "there must be a god, where us did the world come from?" and "the bible said so" and "he is beyond ur pathetic mind". why dont you show us some solid proof that god exists and that i am wrong? If we gave you scientific evidence that the world was not created by god, you would still turn your head and deny it.

just look at galileo. he proved that the world was not flat. but no, the catholics didnt believe so. so they put him to death, and encased themselves in the lies that they have believed since birth.

[Big Ozzie]

You kids give me a HEADACHE!

[cheese muffin]

You kids give me a HEADACHE!STOP TYPING IN BIG LETTERS

[Big Ozzie]

You kids give me a HEADACHE!STOP TYPING IN BIG LETTERS

I do that in case they are DEAF as well as DUMB!

[Evil Conservative]

i almost died once. i needed a new kidney when i was 12 and as i sat in the hospital, i sure didnt believe that god was there. but luckily for me, they had a kidney for me that was donated by a young boy who had died in a car accident. lucky me.
while you say that you athiests change their minds too often, what about you theists? all you do to defend your point of view is tell us things like "there must be a god, where us did the world come from?" and "the bible said so" and "he is beyond ur pathetic mind". why dont you show us some solid proof that god exists and that i am wrong? If we gave you scientific evidence that the world was not created by god, you would still turn your head and deny it.

just look at galileo. he proved that the world was not flat. but no, the catholics didnt believe so. so they put him to death, and encased themselves in the lies that they have believed since birth.
I say again..there is no way for you to prove God doesn't exist. There is no way for me to prove to an atheist that he does exist. Faith and theory supports my belief. Theory supports your belief. This is a never ending pointless argument. I just get angry when atheists try to force their views down the crazy "religious nuts". So why not just be silent and let everyone believe what they wish. :roll:

[Big Ozzie]

..just look at galileo. he proved that the world was not flat. but no, the catholics didnt believe so. so they put him to death, and encased themselves in the lies that they have believed since birth.

Galileo was convicted of Heresy in 1632 and sentenced to imprisonment for supporting (although he denied it publicly) the theories of Copernicus.
Tried in an Inquisition that lasted more than 3 weeks, Galileo never spent any time behind bars, but rather in a rather nice apartment provided by the Catholic Church. He eventually went blind and died 5 years later in 1642, still a guest of the church.

For a quick brush up on the man and what he did in history:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06342b.htm

[cheese muffin]

..just look at galileo. he proved that the world was not flat. but no, the catholics didnt believe so. so they put him to death, and encased themselves in the lies that they have believed since birth.

Galileo was convicted of Heresy in 1632 and sentenced to imprisonment for supporting (although he denied it publicly) the theories of Copernicus.
Tried in an Inquisition that lasted more than 3 weeks, Galileo never spent any time behind bars, but rather in a rather nice apartment provided by the Catholic Church. He eventually went blind and died 5 years later in 1642, still a guest of the church.

For a quick brush up on the man and what he did in history:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06342b.htm

oops, must have him confused with someone else.

[Cheb]

Ok, again, it's like this...

God does not exist; there is no evidence that it does, you have all been brainwashed from birth to believe in a mythical being that is not real, in the same way that ghosts are not real, no matter what JiggaT2 would have you believe. :? There is no life after death, no Heaven or Hell.

Think about it. If everyone stopped having irrational thoughts about non existent entities then there would be no Terrorism now, there would be no Arab-Israeli conflict, the Muslims would not be treating their women like dirt, the Christians and Jews would not be treating the Muslims like dirt. Etc.
The reasons why you do not believe in God are the same reasons you believe Muslims treat their women like dirt. You know nothing about either nor do you want to. You have chosen the "easy" way and felt it would be more convenient for you. You have a false pretense that the world would be a better place without religion yet your examples are of human faults and not religion. The fact is most religions teach peace equality and worship. How humans choose to manipulate it is their fault. Same as they would have manipulated anything else that leads to their advantage. Do you truly believe that without religion there will be no conflict? We are all human and conflict will remain present as long as we exist. Evil and good will remain. The argument that religion is evil is totally out of context and is only said by those who do not ‘want’ to believe.

[Big Ozzie]

Cheese Muffin ...oops, must have him confused with someone else

Fear-not, my fat flightless feathered friend..........
The mistake was not yours I am sure! But rather your educators were lax in their instruction. It is often believed that the Catholic Church put Galileo to death by means of Torture and starvation. It is failed to report that he was found guilty by an Inquisition, (a group of church clergy, usually Bishops or higher) and not by the Pope, (Urban VIII) who liked the man and often dined with him while "a guest" of the Catholic Church.
I believe that the rumors of his torture and subsequent demise were spread by the church to instill fear into the masses do to the popularity of the man.

By the way, cheese muffin.....if Galileo were here now,
I am quite sure he would POKE YOU!

[hi]

The reasons why you do not believe in God are the same reasons you believe Muslims treat their women like dirt. You know nothing about either nor do you want to.

You don't know me, how can you make assumptions like that? I was a Christian for the first 16 years of my life. I went to church regularly, and my parents and relatives are all Christians. I then on my own volition decided that I no longer believed in God. In school I was taught about all of the worlds major religions, as well as middle eastern history, especially the modern history if Israel and Zionism.

Most if not all Muslim countries are 100 or more years behind the West in terms of womens rights. Here is an example from a couple of days ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5052000.stm

You have chosen the "easy" way and felt it would be more convenient for you. You have a false pretense that the world would be a better place without religion yet your examples are of human faults and not religion. The fact is most religions teach peace equality and worship. How humans choose to manipulate it is their fault. Same as they would have manipulated anything else that leads to their advantage. Do you truly believe that without religion there will be no conflict?

No, and I did not say that. Don't put words into my mouth. I just cited a number of current conflicts/problems which undoubtedly religion is the major factor in a purely hypothetical context - that if there was no religion today, these conflicts would not be taking place.

Think about it. If everyone stopped having irrational thoughts about non existent entities then there would be no Terrorism now, there would be no Arab-Israeli conflict, the Muslims would not be treating their women like dirt, the Christians and Jews would not be treating the Muslims like dirt. Etc.

See?

Of course, there would still be conflicts without religion, but unquestionably there would be less.

We are all human and conflict will remain present as long as we exist. Evil and good will remain. The argument that religion is evil is totally out of context and is only said by those who do not ‘want’ to believe.

Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said religion was evil, I said that God does not exist, and pointed out a number of conflicts (see above).

Anyone replying in future, please reply based on what people have written, not by interpreting their words to create bias in your favour, or making assumptions based on that squed interpretation We are not Fox news reporters.

[cheese muffin]

one of the reasons that i believe the world would be a better place without religion is this:

the human mind is one of few species that possess a conscience in their minds. but our religion teaches us morals nonetheless. dont get me wrong they are good morals. i dont believe it is right to murder or anything. but the fact is that early on we followed these morals for fear of god or some other kinda heavenyl diety descending on us and punishing us for our "Sins".

I believe that we, as the sentient race on this planet, should not be morally right due to gods and hell, but rather that we should be good ppl b/c its the right thing to do.

[Cheb]

The reasons why you do not believe in God are the same reasons you believe Muslims treat their women like dirt. You know nothing about either nor do you want to.

You don't know me, how can you make assumptions like that? I was a Christian for the first 16 years of my life. I went to church regularly, and my parents and relatives are all Christians. I then on my own volition decided that I no longer believed in God. In school I was taught about all of the worlds major religions, as well as middle eastern history, especially the modern history if Israel and Zionism.

Most if not all Muslim countries are 100 or more years behind the West in terms of womens rights. Here is an example from a couple of days ago: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5052000.stm

You have chosen the "easy" way and felt it would be more convenient for you. You have a false pretense that the world would be a better place without religion yet your examples are of human faults and not religion. The fact is most religions teach peace equality and worship. How humans choose to manipulate it is their fault. Same as they would have manipulated anything else that leads to their advantage. Do you truly believe that without religion there will be no conflict?

No, and I did not say that. Don't put words into my mouth. I just cited a number of current conflicts/problems which undoubtedly religion is the major factor in a purely hypothetical context - that if there was no religion today, these conflicts would not be taking place.

Think about it. If everyone stopped having irrational thoughts about non existent entities then there would be no Terrorism now, there would be no Arab-Israeli conflict, the Muslims would not be treating their women like dirt, the Christians and Jews would not be treating the Muslims like dirt. Etc.

See?

Of course, there would still be conflicts without religion, but unquestionably there would be less.

We are all human and conflict will remain present as long as we exist. Evil and good will remain. The argument that religion is evil is totally out of context and is only said by those who do not ‘want’ to believe.

Again, stop putting words in my mouth. I never said religion was evil, I said that God does not exist, and pointed out a number of conflicts (see above).

Anyone replying in future, please reply based on what people have written, not by interpreting their words to create bias in your favour, or making assumptions based on that squed interpretation We are not Fox news reporters.
First I want to address that link you posted.
Title: Iran's female fans yet to win equality
Now reading this you will probably immediately interpret it as women having less rights than men and treated differently. It doesnt matter what the story was about, all you need is that title. This is a nice move by the BBC as they have indirectly gave people that image. However notice the said "Iran's female fans" not "Iran's females". You, like many other people I would believe, have come up with a conclusion based on your original stereotype about Islam and used this article to support your claim about woman's rights in Islam. When the entire article was talking about was whether or not a woman should be allowed to watch football. If you read the article you would know it is, both because men may swear in front of a woman, and because women are not allowed to look at men's legs. Just like men would not be allowed to watch a woman's sport if the women were not dressed appropriately. It is not about woman's rights as you may have interpreted it. You get mad when I make assumptions about your statements yet you seem to not mind making assumptions, generalizations, and false accusations of my religion. If you want information about woman's rights in Islam, this is an article that you should be reading: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996016048
or this:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996016410


Think about it. If everyone stopped having irrational thoughts about non existent entities then there would be no Terrorism now, there would be no Arab-Israeli conflict, the Muslims would not be treating their women like dirt, the Christians and Jews would not be treating the Muslims like dirt. Etc.

See?

Of course, there would still be conflicts without religion, but unquestionably there would be less.

I don't see what you base this conclusion on. If it was not religion it would be something else. There is as much, if not more, evidence (human nature) to believe that there would be more conflict without religion that otherwise. Irrational thought? Tell that to the other 5 billion people on this earth... No it is not us who are having "irrational thoughts".

Oh and I am replying based on what you have written. Interpreting what you wrote is necessary if we are to understand each other better.

[Big Ozzie]

[quote=hi]Think about it. If everyone stopped having irrational thoughts about non existent entities then there would be no Terrorism now, there would be no Arab-Israeli conflict, the Muslims would not be treating their women like dirt, the Christians and Jews would not be treating the Muslims like dirt. Etc.

See?

Of course, there would still be conflicts without religion, but unquestionably there would be less.

We are all human and conflict will remain present as long as we exist. Evil and good will remain. The argument that religion is evil is totally out of context and is only said by those who do not ‘want’ to believe.

I don't see what you base this conclusion on. If it was not religion it would be something else. There is as much, if not more, evidence (human nature) to believe that there would be more conflict without religion that otherwise. Irrational thought? Tell that to the other 5 billion people on this earth... No it is not us who are having "irrational thoughts".

Oh and I am replying based on what you have written. Interpreting what you wrote is necessary if we are to understand each other better.

OK, Here we Go....I hope that I have all the Quotes credited to their proper poster, if not I apologize!

First, I must say that I agree with Cheb on his points above.
Hi, why do you believe that without religion we would be better off? Do you really feel that conflicts would be lessened?
Let me throw some logic into this and read with an open mind.
Man's behavior is based on a basic understanding between right and wrong. This includes (but is not limited to) his interaction to his fellow man and the Fauna and Flora (animals and plants) that he shares the world with.
Where would we get this understanding between right and wrong if it were not for religion?
Even the basic saying "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you!" can be found in the books of all the world's major religions (in one form or another).
Man sits one step above the animals on an evolutionary scale, we have the use of a logical brain.
Why is this and the capability of speech found only in Humans? Why not mice? Dogs? Cows? Elephants? Apes or Monkeys? They all evolved on the same planet at the same time, didn't they?
If man crawled out of the ocean, why hasn't any other creature crawled out and evolved into another creature like man?
If man evolved from the apes or monkeys, than why are there still apes and monkeys that show no sign of change?
Not to get off topic, BUT........
Without religion I believe mans problems would increase greatly. It is the teachings of major religions that tell us right from wrong. Man has a conscience and that is where religion works.
Without this conscience, we would be on the same level of the animals. Our only worries would be shelter, clothing and food until another human came into our space.
It then becomes survival of the fittest.
With no conscience we would exterminate each other without prejudice.
With no conscience, arguments would end up in death instead of discussion.
With no conscience, our injured or in-firmed would die without care.
With no conscience, our disabled would be left behind to fend for themselves.
With no conscience, our elderly (your parents or grandparents) would be abandoned when they could no longer contribute.
With no conscience, there would be no Science or Medicine or History Remembered or Math or Music or Writings or Art.
Without a conscience man would never ask Why? or How? or Where? or When?
Without a conscience, we would never create, or invent or design.
Without a conscience, we would just exist, an organic, carbon based object that lives, breaths, eats, procreates and dies.....like an amoeba or a snail, a bird or a snake, a frog or a fish, a horse or a pig.
No HI, I do believe that the world is better off WITH religion to guide us.
Mans Faith in a Supreme Being(s) or Entity(ies) is what gives man a Conscience and raises him above the rest of the animal world.

[cheese muffin]

man how long has this topic been up?

[Big Ozzie]

man how long has this topic been up?

YOU were the 90th post, I am the 91st.
You started the 7th page.
It has been with us since Mon 24 April 2006 at 11:29am!
It is now Sunday 18 June 2006 at 10:54pm (FileCabi.net time)
That makes it..........Lets see...
7 weeks, six days, um........Fuck It! :shock:
It's been here a long Time! :D

[cheese muffin]

YOU were the 90th post, I am the 91st.
You started the 7th page.
It has been with us since Mon 24 April 2006 at 11:29am!
It is now Sunday 18 June 2006 at 10:54pm (FileCabi.net time)
That makes it..........Lets see...
7 weeks, six days, um........Fuck It! :shock:
It's been here a long Time! :D
uck, this thread is gettin repetitve now.....

[Big Ozzie]

YOU were the 90th post, I am the 91st.
You started the 7th page.
It has been with us since Mon 24 April 2006 at 11:29am!
It is now Sunday 18 June 2006 at 10:54pm (FileCabi.net time)
That makes it..........Lets see...
7 weeks, six days, um........Fuck It! :shock:
It's been here a long Time! :D
uck, this thread is gettin repetitve now.....

Now it is really getting repetitive.....too many quotes being quoted ya know what I mean? :o
Time for lunch.....think I'll have a GRILLED CHEESE! 8)

[cheese muffin]

Now it is really getting repetitive.....too many quotes being quoted ya know what I mean? :o
Time for lunch.....think I'll have a GRILLED CHEESE! 8)
me too, im gettin some kraft cheese, you?

[Big Ozzie]

Now it is really getting repetitive.....too many quotes being quoted ya know what I mean? :o
Time for lunch.....think I'll have a GRILLED CHEESE! 8)
me too, im gettin some kraft cheese, you?

NAAA, I prefer a three cheese mix, depends on what is in the fridge...combinations like Swiss, Cheddar and American or Provolone, Swiss and Blue Cheese....sometimes I will grate a real hard cheese like Parmigiano or Romano onto the bread for a little kick. Add some fresh sliced Tomato's and a meat like Ham or Turkey and you have a lunch fit for a KING! :D

[Dudicle]

Religion is by far the largest contributer to premature death to human beings in all history. Why do we have religion? Religion was created when primitive technology and low to any at all understanding of how/why "things" happen.

Religion is ONLY A WAY FOR PEOPLE TO EXPLAIN THE UNEXPLAINABLE. Nothing more. As our technology advances so will our understanding our our enviroment therefore allowing us to then explain what we once thought was done because of some all mighty person. It's a series of tacticaly placed lies to literualy trick the human mind to believe something, and in not to rare cases, driving people insane.

[hi]

First I want to address that link you posted.
Title: Iran's female fans yet to win equality
Now reading this you will probably immediately interpret it as women having less rights than men and treated differently. It doesnt matter what the story was about, all you need is that title. This is a nice move by the BBC as they have indirectly gave people that image. However notice the said "Iran's female fans" not "Iran's females". You, like many other people I would believe, have come up with a conclusion based on your original stereotype about Islam and used this article to support your claim about woman's rights in Islam. When the entire article was talking about was whether or not a woman should be allowed to watch football. If you read the article you would know it is, both because men may swear in front of a woman, and because women are not allowed to look at men's legs. Just like men would not be allowed to watch a woman's sport if the women were not dressed appropriately. It is not about woman's rights as you may have interpreted it. You get mad when I make assumptions about your statements yet you seem to not mind making assumptions, generalizations, and false accusations of my religion. If you want information about woman's rights in Islam, this is an article that you should be reading: http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996016048
or this:
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-AAbout_Islam/AskAboutIslamE/AskAboutIslamE&cid=1123996016410

Are you really suggesting that women have equal rights to men, and are not treated differently in Muslim countries like Iran? Still in most western countries women are statistically paid less than men for the same jobs! It is laughable to suggest the BBC are somehow acting in a biast manner by reporting the story in this way. The BBC are arguabley the most impartial and trusted news service worldwide. You may or may not have noticed that female football fans are in fact Women, and as such denying them access to watch a football match is inherently discriminating against WOMEN.

Of course if you ask the source about an issue you will get nice rosey reply. It’s like asking Apple if their OSX is better than Windows XP. You know the answer before you ask the question. Also, please note that I was referring to Muslims, not Islam – the people (society) that practice Islam, not Islam itself. It is irrelevant what Islam teaches, what is relevant is how Islam’s followers act because of their religion.

Have a look at the Wikipedia page on Honour Killing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_killing), or search google for "Women human rights middle east" Or look at this report from Amnesty International: http://www.amnestyusa.org/annualreport/middleeast_northafrica.html

Women, for so long subject to discrimination in both law and practice, finally won the right to vote in Kuwait and achieved greater recognition of their human rights in countries such as Algeria and Morocco. Even in Saudi Arabia, the exclusion of women from participation in the country’s first ever municipal elections sparked debate and growing pressure for change...

... Throughout the region women were subject to varying degrees of discrimination and violence because of their gender. Countless others were unable to enjoy fully their economic, social and cultural rights...

... That such changes represented something of a breakthrough said a lot about how much further change is necessary before women truly achieve equal status in the region. Violence against women, including within the family, remained widespread and insufficiently addressed by governments and state authorities. In Iraq, where increasing religious sectarianism emerged as a feature of the political breakdown, women came under greater threat of violence because of how they dressed and behaved.

*From here onwards is referring to Ozzie’s post ;) *

Firstly, I dispute that without religion there would be no conscience. Humans and most apes, like many other animals are group animals that live together, hunt in groups etc to make things easier for themselves. If you like, these groups are microcosms of a modern country, with group leaders, workers etc. It is instinctive for an individual not to attack anyone else he meets, because he will lose the group that supports him, he could be hurt or killed etc. You don’t need a faith in a God to stop you from doing this. Look at all of the wild animals that live in packs/groups which don’t possess the brain to comprehend faith in something. They have no fear that they will go to hell if they kill another animal. The best example to disprove this is the fact that there are millions of atheists and Agnostic people worldwide, and they do not go around killing people or abandoning their parents any more than anyone else who believes in a God. You don’t have to be religious to follow the meaning of the last 5 10 commandments.


5. Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbour’s.

Although, these are my 10 commandments :D http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=555081

Do you really feel that [without religion] conflicts would be lessened?
Yes.
Man sits one step above the animals on an evolutionary scale, we have the use of a logical brain.
Why is this and the capability of speech found only in Humans? Why not mice? Dogs? Cows? Elephants? Apes or Monkeys? They all evolved on the same planet at the same time, didn't they?

See a bit further down. ;)

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If man crawled out of the ocean, why hasn't any other creature crawled out and evolved into another creature like man?

Well actually they have. Neanderthals. We killed them off though. :shock: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5930237053265844067
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal

Remember, each animal did not evolve individually from a few celled organism in the sea. Evolution can be thought of like a tree. Occasionally species split off to create another kind of animal. Because mammals share the same kind of internal organ structure, it is likely that all modern mammals evolved from a single point, the same is probably true for reptiles and insects. An example of this is birds are an off shoot from the reptiles ‘tree’.

If man evolved from the apes or monkeys, than why are there still apes and monkeys that show no sign of change?

They show no sign of change because they are now where they have evolved to! If you go back some millions of years you would likely not see the same apes and monkeys we have today, they would be different. In the same way, if you go forwards a few million years you will see changes in our current species, probably to adapt to changing environment. The current apes and monkeys have evolved well in their habitat to do what they need to. Apes and monkeys have not developed large brains like humans, because they do not require them for their lives. A brain takes a huge amount of energy to keep going. I can’t remember the numbers, but a fairly large proportion of a modern humans energy is taken up keeping the brain going. If all you are doing as an animal is hunting small animals and eating fruit from trees, you would be wasting energy by having a large brain. Put simply, they just don’t need them. It’s a bit like asking “why don’t humans have big claws?� Because we don’t need them. :) We evolved big brains to be able to do things like make tools and weapons instead, which are better than big claws, because you can make a good tool for each job, rather than just having a big pair of claws to do everything. :)

Sorry about the length. :|

[Big Ozzie]

My friend "HI" wherever you are.....
I intend to submit a rebuttal to your previous post but it will have to wait...the system that I am on keeps crashing and you know Murphy's Law......it will crash just before I hit "submit" and I will loose all I have written.
So I will attempt to post a reply in the next day or two........stay tuned

[hi]

Ok sure. :) I hope you get it fixed. :D

[cheese muffin]

If man evolved from the apes or monkeys, than why are there still apes and monkeys that show no sign of change?
Because these apes and monkeys lived in different regions of the earth, that had different environmental conditions and a different string of mutations. I still like kraft cheese better. = P

[tgd_02]

god exists-if you think he does

[incognito]

Im an atheist, and i listen to Slipknot, gif conspiracy theories plix.

[KitRae]

Im an atheist, and i listen to Slipknot, gif conspiracy theories plix.

:?

[hi]

Ok, It seems I was wrong. God does exist. you can talk to him here: http://www.titane.ca/igod/

[incognito]

God didn't make any sense..

[Evil Conservative]

Why do you try to argue your atheism to an audience that is not interested in your theories, Most believe in a creator being. The idea that everything in nature..everything in this universe was a big accident with no intelligence behind it from something you cannot conceive is ridiculous in my opinion.
Yes I believe in God...possible even more unknown and incomprehensible things to the human mind.
Explain a Black Hole to me.
Explain existance to me.
Explain your conscious mind that questions me.
Anything that can be conceived of by the mind of man is possible. I and billions of others conceive a God.
This world is most probably nothing in the greater scheme of things. There are far far far more stars in the visible universe than there are grains of sand upon all the beaches of the entire planet earth. This doesn't mean there isn't a God. There is no way for you to prove there is no God and no way you can factually or theoritically prove his non-existance. So why even argue? It just causes heated discussions that lead no one anywhere.

[hi]

Just because you believe in God, it does not mean everyone else does. Quite a few people have posted here with the same opinion as me. There are certainly more who visit the forum and don't post here, as well as people with an open mind who want to hear other people’s opinions, as opposed to you who it seems would like to make people who you disagree with shut up.

Most people couldn’t explain Natural selection or Genetics to you, but they are willing to disregard Evolution and believe that somebody in the sky made everything.

Explain a Black Hole to me.
Explain existance to me.
Explain your conscious mind that questions me.

Ok, an Encyclopedia might be a good place to look. Wikipedia is the biggest free Encyclopedia so let's look there.

Black Hole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hole
Existence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existance
Conscious Mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain

The fact is you need proof to prove something exists. A lack of proof that something does not exist is not proof or in any way suggest that it does exist.
By your logic, I could be God, in fact I am God and because there is no physical evidence one way or another you can’t say I am not God. The absurdity of the idea that I am God that you and feel while reading this is the same as the absurdity that I feel towards the idea that there is a God.

Anything that can be conceived of by the mind of man is possible.

You seem to have confused imagination and the real world.

Finally, we are not arguing, we are debating.

Ok, slightly more finally, look at the nice fish here (http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?tab=av&q=Evolution&recipe=all&scope=all&edition=) :D (First video, top left).

[Evil Conservative]

Just because you believe in God, it does not mean everyone else does. Quite a few people have posted here with the same opinion as me. There are certainly more who visit the forum and don't post here, as well as people with an open mind who want to hear other people’s opinions, as opposed to you who it seems would like to make people who you disagree with shut up.

Most people couldn’t explain Natural selection or Genetics to you, but they are willing to disregard Evolution and believe that somebody in the sky made everything.

Explain a Black Hole to me.
Explain existance to me.
Explain your conscious mind that questions me.

Ok, an Encyclopedia might be a good place to look. Wikipedia is the biggest free Encyclopedia so let's look there.

Black Hole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hole
Existence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Existance
Conscious Mind: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consciousness http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain

The fact is you need proof to prove something exists. A lack of proof that something does not exist is not proof or in any way suggest that it does exist.
By your logic, I could be God, in fact I am God and because there is no physical evidence one way or another you can’t say I am not God. The absurdity of the idea that I am God that you and feel while reading this is the same as the absurdity that I feel towards the idea that there is a God.

Anything that can be conceived of by the mind of man is possible.

You seem to have confused imagination and the real world.

Finally, we are not arguing, we are debating.

Ok, slightly more finally, look at the nice fish here (http://search.bbc.co.uk/cgi-bin/search/results.pl?tab=av&q=Evolution&recipe=all&scope=all&edition=) :D (First video, top left).

Nice..don't use wikipedia next time though. It is not a reliable source of information on many topics. I didn't ask you to post dictionary explanations anyway.
A black hole defies known physics..and is not truely explanable. All information is currently theoritcal about them but even theorys come to a brick wall when it comes down to it.
You can't explain existance because you only have theories on how you came into being. No one can currently factually explain existance.
As for evolution. I believe God created us this way...over time. A second to God could mean a million years to us. God is not subject to the 4th dimension. Believing in evolution/adaptation does not have to mean your an atheist.
God might be in you..a bit of him might be in everyone, however we could take you and disect you and find out your not THE God. Your right a lack of proof does not prove something exists. Where is your proof that he doesn't exist? :roll:
And finally...does this look like an atheist/theology forum? It doesn't matter what you believe just don't try to shove it down other people's throats and insult religious people. Doing that is just being an ass. Your just causing anger.

[hi]

Wikipedia is an excellent source of information. It is also largely un biast, as anyone can contribute to it, so it does not represent the opinions of just one person, but tens or hundreds of people who have worked to create each page. There have to be references on the pages to show sources of information.

You said explain, so why re invent the wheel?

This debate itself has hit a brick wall. We are getting completely off the topic of religion by discussing the science of black holes. :?

I will say God doesn't exist and you can't prove he does. You will say he does exist and I can't prove he doesn’t.

We both know each other’s beliefs, so I am going to whack down a couple of interesting quotes and leave it at that. For now at least.

It must be realized that the burden of proof does not rest upon the skeptic. As always is the case, the burden of proof weighs upon those who assert that some thing or some process exists. If someone claims that he never has to shave because every morning before he can get to the bathroom he is assaulted by a six-foot rabbit with extremely sharp teeth who trims his whiskers better than a razor - if someone makes such a claim, no skeptic need worry about constructing a disproof. Unless evidence for the claim is produced, the skeptic can treat the claim as false. This is nothing more than sane, every-day practice.

for most people who profess a religious belief, their "faith" is accidental -- a function of time, geography and circumstances. A Christian fundamentalist, had he or she been born three thousand years ago in Egypt, would have probably ended up worshipping the "true" deity or deities in vogue at that time. A contemporary Moslem would have worshipped an Aztec or Mayan pantheon of gods had he or she been living just a few centuries ago in Central America. There have been thousands of different religions worshipping tens of thousands (and even millions) of assorted gods. Most, if not all, have claimed to be "the one true creed." And their disagreements have resulted in war, intolerance, oppression and other violations of human dignity.

Today in America, Christianity -- the worship of a god-man known as Jesus -- is the dominant belief among those who profess religion. But did you know that about 10% of Americans consider themselves to be Atheists, doubters, or religious sceptics of some kind? That's over 25,000,000 people. Millions more, the majority of the American population, are branded with the odious label of "unchurched"; they do not attend church, mosque or temple on any regular basis (except perhaps on "holy days" to keep up appearances for friends, relatives and the community), nor do they look to religion for a moral code. Their ethics stem from a secular philosophy of life.

An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist accepts that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth – for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer, but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and to enjoy it. An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfilment.

[OutlawIncarnate]

I think it is a lot more sane to think that we all happened on accident then there was an intelligent being that is all-powerful and all-knowing that created it.

I mean, thats like comparing people dying of a mysterious disease and saying it was random with saying the person was killed by a ghost.

[Evil Conservative]

My point about Black Holes is they are inexplicable. They break the laws of physics and science. People didn't believe they were possible and still cannot explain them even near fully. What other things are out there that we do not understand? My geuss is the human race knows about .00001% of the big picture. The human race is prone to arrogance as well. You don't know squat. I don't know squat.
Your little skeptic statement can be reversed. You are a skeptic of the existance of a God. So burden me with your proof all knowing human. Try to comprehend your existance..stare at your hand..your two eyes...nature...all the things in it that are dependant upon each other. The perfectness of this little "accident" called Earth and all life on it. Contemplate the universe which is infinity. You are a speck of sand in a desert walking on another speck of sand in an endless desert crying to the Universe that you know beyond a doubt that God doesn't exist even when the entire human race doesn't know even close to 1% of reality or what's "out there". We have our material senses and our science..science makes you arrogant. Thank God for Quantum Physics eh? Look into it.
Also how can you have an encylclopedia that has anyone at all contributing to it and not have it biased...you can't. My friend I have seen lots of biased "definitions" on wikipedia and most are left leaning.

[cheese muffin]

My point about Black Holes is they are inexplicable. They break the laws of physics and science. People didn't believe they were possible and still cannot explain them even near fully. What other things are out there that we do not understand? My geuss is the human race knows about .00001% of the big picture. The human race is prone to arrogance as well. You don't know squat. I don't know squat.
Your little skeptic statement can be reversed. You are a skeptic of the existance of a God. So burden me with your proof all knowing human. Try to comprehend your existance..stare at your hand..your two eyes...nature...all the things in it that are dependant upon each other. The perfectness of this little "accident" called Earth and all life on it. Contemplate the universe which is infinity. You are a speck of sand in a desert walking on another speck of sand in an endless desert crying to the Universe that you know beyond a doubt that God doesn't exist even when the entire human race doesn't know even close to 1% of reality or what's "out there". We have our material senses and our science..science makes you arrogant. Thank God for Quantum Physics eh? Look into it.
Also how can you have an encylclopedia that has anyone at all contributing to it and not have it biased...you can't. My friend I have seen lots of biased "definitions" on wikipedia and most are left leaning.

lol, i think we've gone a bit off topic here. this the athiest manifesto, not the wonders of the black holes.

[Evil Conservative]

My point about Black Holes is they are inexplicable. They break the laws of physics and science. People didn't believe they were possible and still cannot explain them even near fully. What other things are out there that we do not understand? My geuss is the human race knows about .00001% of the big picture. The human race is prone to arrogance as well. You don't know squat. I don't know squat.
Your little skeptic statement can be reversed. You are a skeptic of the existance of a God. So burden me with your proof all knowing human. Try to comprehend your existance..stare at your hand..your two eyes...nature...all the things in it that are dependant upon each other. The perfectness of this little "accident" called Earth and all life on it. Contemplate the universe which is infinity. You are a speck of sand in a desert walking on another speck of sand in an endless desert crying to the Universe that you know beyond a doubt that God doesn't exist even when the entire human race doesn't know even close to 1% of reality or what's "out there". We have our material senses and our science..science makes you arrogant. Thank God for Quantum Physics eh? Look into it.
Also how can you have an encylclopedia that has anyone at all contributing to it and not have it biased...you can't. My friend I have seen lots of biased "definitions" on wikipedia and most are left leaning.

lol, i think we've gone a bit off topic here. this the athiest manifesto, not the wonders of the black holes.

That's not an adequate reply. Did you read my post fully? You don't know...can't prove...the existance/non-existance of God. My post is totally relevant if you think about it. I used Black Holes as an example of how very little the human race knows. There are no doubt millions of things in the universe we do not currently understand by factual analysis. God is one of these things in my opinion.

[Big Ozzie]

I know a Stripper my best friend "Animal" and I used to call "The Black Hole" :shock: heehee :lol: ......she was white....you figure it out! 8) (it had nothing to do with race, so no race comments.thank-you!)

[cheese muffin]

bump for VK

[Overlord]

AAAAGH THE MONTH OLD BUMP!

[cheese muffin]

bumpity bump bump bumop bumpppppp!!!

[crazyjoe]

I like this quote

"An Atheist loves himself and his fellow man instead of a god. An Atheist accepts that heaven is something for which we should work now – here on earth – for all men together to enjoy. An Atheist accepts that he can get no help through prayer, but that he must find in himself the inner conviction and strength to meet life, to grapple with it, to subdue it and to enjoy it. An Atheist accepts that only in a knowledge of himself and a knowledge of his fellow man can he find the understanding that will help to a life of fulfilment."

[Clouds in the Sky]

................

[Big Ozzie]

Is this a "BUMP", Clouds?:1orglaugh: :1orglaugh:

[loadrunner]

If God realy exists as written in the bible: Where do we need DNA for?

[DandruffBGone]

If these religion/bible/athiest threads are gonna get lively you are going to have to let Evil Conservative and Osark come back I think.

[crazyjoe]

im still atheist :)

[Afronaught]

ok this is the way I see it, every time something is said about Athiesim , it turns out to be a simple case of "If god exists prove it" and then followed by all the usual anti Christian rhetoric. The Christians spew back with the usualy (and predicable) "You're going to burn in hell" blab and back their statmens with verse after verse of bible scripture. so what the fuck is the point. Why not believe whatever the hell you want to believe in and let the next guy beliee in whatever the fuck he wants to believe.

[DandruffBGone]

ok this is the way I see it, every time something is said about Athiesim , it turns out to be a simple case of "If god exists prove it" and then followed by all the usual anti Christian rhetoric. The Christians spew back with the usualy (and predicable) "You're going to burn in hell" blab and back their statmens with verse after verse of bible scripture. so what the fuck is the point. Why not believe whatever the hell you want to believe in and let the next guy beliee in whatever the fuck he wants to believe.

Because that's no fun and we are in the mood for a fight.:drinkup:

[crazyjoe]

Because both sides think they are right in their argument. The smart ones figure out that it's easier to let people believe what they want.

But if you want ppl to believe what they want; then you can't really object to extremist religious groups or cults(scientology for example).

Right?

[Afronaught]

Because that's no fun and we are in the mood for a fight.:drinkup:

I'll drink to that! :drinkup:

[Afronaught]

Because both sides think they are right in their argument. The smart ones figure out that it's easier to let people believe what they want.

But if you want ppl to believe what they want; then you can't really object to extremist religious groups or cults(scientology for example).

Right?

Exatly! They have the right to believe Tom Criuse is the new Messiah, even if we think theyre all just crazy. If they want to believe that, let them fucking pray to Tom (Since we brought up the scientology issue :D ).

[AllisterFiend]

gWL1ZMH3-54

[Big Ozzie]

Allister,
This guy ^^^ is an ASS Hat! He talks in circles trying to make you believe that he knows what he is talking about, when in truth he is Agnostic not an Atheist! He is so busy walking both sides of the fence that he doesn't even feel the pickets slapping him in the Balls!
Religion is NOT based on Science, but rather on Faith. Faith of the unknown and unprovable...Science can not prove that there is NOT a God!
So this guy claims that he is ALMOST sure that there is no God...
that is OK with me. I do not force my beliefs or disbelief's on anyone!

[tgd_02]

keep ur beliefs to urself
and dont fucking tell me that wat i believe is wrong
so fuck atheists who say religion is oppresing them
and fuck religion who want to save everyone
fuck off

[DandruffBGone]

^^^. I second that. Fuck off anybody who wants to persuade me THEIR way is the only way to believe, and I will return the favour and fuck off too.

[AllisterFiend]

Believe what you want, just don't be stupid. Thats when it gets dangerous.:xyxthumbs:

[DandruffBGone]

Believe what you want, just don't be stupid. Thats when it gets dangerous.:xyxthumbs:

Please define stupid so we will know if we are breaking your rules Allister.:xyxthumbs:

[AllisterFiend]

Please define stupid so we will know if we are breaking your rules Allister.:xyxthumbs:

When you deny scientific evidence and stop thinking for yourself, Piggy. :xyxthumbs:

[DandruffBGone]

When you deny scientific evidence and stop thinking for yourself, Piggy. :xyxthumbs:

What does that mean Allister? That I start to agree with your thinking perhaps?:D
Who do you think does my thinking for me?

[Big Ozzie]

When you deny scientific evidence and stop thinking for yourself, Piggy. :xyxthumbs:

Can you produce scientific evidence that there is NOT a Creator?

Why would we stop thinking for ourselves, Allister?

[AllisterFiend]

Can you produce scientific evidence that there is NOT a Creator?

Why would we stop thinking for ourselves, Allister?

No, just like you cannot prove that there IS a creator. But just because I can't prove that there is no god, doesn't prove that there is one. Just likes Dawkins said, you can't disprove the existance of the flying spaghetti monster, but that doesn't mean it's real.

I said "When you deny scientific evidence and stop thinking for yourself"... When you stop thinking for yourself it gets dangerous. That's what I want people to do... think for themselves.

I don't understand what you said, Piggy... lol

[Big Ozzie]

....and just the same because if one can not prove there IS a Creator...
it does not mean that there is NOT one!

That is why it is called Faith...Belief in something that is not proven does not make you an idiot.

Can there not be Creationism and Evolution at the same time?

[AllisterFiend]

....and just the same because if one can not prove there IS a Creator...
it does not mean that there is NOT one!

That is why it is called Faith...Belief in something that is not proven does not make you an idiot.

Can there not be Creationism and Evolution at the same time?

"Faith is believing something without evidence, and if you believe something without evidence and you've been brought up to think that belief without evidence is somehow supremely virtuous and you don't have to justify your belief. You just say 'that's my faith, don't question it'... That is a recipe for danger."

It would depend on what you mean by creationism. Are you talking about Christianity? If you are... I don't think so.

[Big Ozzie]

Allister,
I am sure there are things that you believe in, yet are not proven to you.
Thus you have Faith in them.
"Faith is believing something without evidence, and if you believe something without evidence and you've been brought up to think that belief without evidence is somehow supremely virtuous and you don't have to justify your belief. You just say 'that's my faith, don't question it'... That is a recipe for danger."
I see you surround your statement above with quotes...is this a quote? If so, who said this or where did you get it from?
Don't you think that one can believe in something without it being proven to you?
How is doing so a "Recipe for Danger"?


"Creationism" is not solely a Christianity belief. Creationism is the belief in a supreme being, a Creator, a God or Deity that created man, all life here on Earth and the Universe.
It is a common belief held by many religions. That includes Millions of People.

[Jack Klompus]

I believe in God. People who don´t will go to hell once they die.

[AllisterFiend]

Allister,
I am sure there are things that you believe in, yet are not proven to you.Like what? I can't think of anything.


Don't you think that one can believe in something without it being proven to you? You can believe in it if you want to... but I'm interested in the truth.

How is doing so a "Recipe for Danger"?Denying scientific evidence is dangerous, like I said. But blind faith is dangerous.

Science involves a process of constantly testing and revising theories in the light of new evidence, while faith makes a virtue out of believing unprovable and often improbable propositions.


"Creationism" is not solely a Christianity belief.Yes, I know this Ozzie. lol...

Creationism is the belief in a supreme being, a Creator, a God or Deity that created man, all life here on Earth and the Universe.

Darwinian evolution sort-of disproves that, doesn't it? It may be just a theory, but it seems a whole lot more plausible than someone just deciding to magically create everything around us one day...

It is a common belief held by many religions. That includes Millions of People.45 percent of the population in the US, that's about 135 million people, believe the universe to be less than 10,000 years old.

Does this make it true?
I hope you don't believe this Oz! lol

[PA]

Allister,
I am sure there are things that you believe in, yet are not proven to you.
Like what? I can't think of anything.

thats just sad...
if there nothing to believe in religion or not,
whats the point of living?

i believe in many things that have nothing to do with religion. :xyxthumbs:

[AllisterFiend]

thats just sad...
if there nothing to believe in religion or not,
whats the point of living?

i believe in many things that have nothing to do with religion. :xyxthumbs:

WTF? lol

Everything I "believe in"... has been proven to me... I think? What are YOU talking about?

[DandruffBGone]

I read that Darwin's theory was based on his study of finches, and that he recanted it on his deathbed......but I can't prove it! LOL.

[AllisterFiend]

That was a myth that he recanted it on his deathbed... the Darwin family disproved it a long time ago.

The finches thing is what got him thinking about evolution.

If the giant tortoise is the symbol of the Galapagos Islands, then Darwin's finches must be the symbol of evolution in the Galapagos. It may seem curious that of all the animals in the Galapagos,this group of very drab and dull birds is most closely associated with Darwin's name. He was neither the first to see them (they are mentioned in passing by Captain James Colnett in 1798) nor did they figure much in his writings subsequent to the "Voyage of the Beagle". Despite the fact that they intrigued Darwin, they are far too complex a group of animals for Darwin to have understood. Nevertheless, they played an important role in helping him recognize the reality of the evolutionary process. The name was first applied in 1936, and popularized in 1947 by the ornithologist David Lack, who published the first modern ecological and evolutionary study of the finches. Today Darwin's finches are the subject of intense study, and they are revealing much about the evolutionary process.

[DandruffBGone]

Thank you Allister. I am aware that you cannot believe everything you read.

Do you believe the "big bang" theory also?

[AllisterFiend]

It seems like the most plausible theory, I think.

[DandruffBGone]

It seems like the most plausible theory, I think.

You believe it, but it is just a theory.....in other words....it has not been proven?

[DandruffBGone]

Anyone who believes the theory of evolution, or the big bang theory, or any other theory for that matter, has put their FAITH in what has been written by men. You guys have done the same thing that we have done.

So who are the "stupids"? Who are the "ignorant" and who are the ones who need to "think for themselves". Who are the "sheeple"? (Not that I would use these words, but they get flung around, as we all know. Tired old cliches).

I guess we will not know for sure until after it is all over.

[AllisterFiend]

Yes, the Big Bang theory is "just a theory", but that's true of every scientific idea. The most important principle of science is that all ideas should be constantly tested, by comparing with observations and experiments. Every scientific idea can be changed if the facts prove it wrong or incomplete. So far, the Big Bang theory has always agreed with experiments and observation, and seems like a very good theory...

[DandruffBGone]

Yes, the Big Bang theory is "just a theory", but that's true of every scientific idea. The most important principle of science is that all ideas should be constantly tested, by comparing with observations and experiments. Every scientific idea can be changed if the facts prove it wrong or incomplete. So far, the Big Bang theory has always agreed with experiments and observation, and seems like a very good theory...

Then go on believing it all Allister.

[DandruffBGone]

By the way ^^^^.....google "big bang theory recanted". I have to go out.

[AllisterFiend]

Anyone who believes the theory of evolution, or the big bang theory, or any other theory for that matter, has put their FAITH in what has been written by men. You guys have done the same thing that we have done.A theory does not mean an unsubstantiated guess or hunch. It originates from and/or is supported by experimental evidence.
My faith and YOUR faith are completely different. I put my faith into something that is backed up by scientific evidence. Yours is backed up by what? a book?

So who are the "stupids"? Who are the "ignorant" and who are the ones who need to "think for themselves". Who are the "sheeple"?

Well, most theists are....


By the way ^^^^.....google "big bang theory recanted". I have to go out.

link???

[crazyjoe]

link???

www.google.com

:xyxthumbs:

[AllisterFiend]

ooooooh you're a funny one!:1bluewinky:

Nah, I couldn't find anything about "big bang theory recanted"... thought she couldn't give me a link. :xyxthumbs:

[Afronaught]

Definition of atheism: 1. a disbelief in the existence of deity and 2.the doctrine that there is no deity

So where exatly does Science or evolution come in to this? Atheism is not a religion, but some people are arguing here as if it is. So if a fundamentalist Christian is a bible basher. then a Fundamentalist Athiest must be a Textbook basher right?

[asdf]

Religion should be on fuckin' unsolved mysteries. When was the last time you spotted a supreme being?

Believe in a religion? Fuck that shit. Having too much fun as a freethinking human. :)

Faith is the surrender of logic and reason. :1zhelp:

[DandruffBGone]

Definition of atheism: 1. a disbelief in the existence of deity and 2.the doctrine that there is no deity

So where exatly does Science or evolution come in to this? Atheism is not a religion, but some people are arguing here as if it is. So if a fundamentalist Christian is a bible basher. then a Fundamentalist Athiest must be a Textbook basher right?

Bravo! My point exactly Afronaught.

[DandruffBGone]

Religion should be on fuckin' unsolved mysteries. When was the last time you spotted a supreme being?

Believe in a religion? Fuck that shit. Having too much fun as a freethinking human. :)

Faith is the surrender of logic and reason. :1zhelp:

More cliches. ^^^ We are not free to think....unadulterated nonsense.

Also, I am probably having as much fun as anyone here, so your "free thinking" is off base RIGHT THERE for starters ASDF.

Is the criteria that we must "spot" something before we can believe? See it with our own eyes? How many science types bought the black hole theory without "spotting" a black hole in action with their own eyes? How many have seen a big bang in action with their own eyes before deciding (with their "free thinking") to buy that one too? They are theories....and if I am not mistaken the black hole one is now kaput. You are believing something you read on paper, not something you have "spotted".

The scientists do the thinking, and the followers accept their theories, and then start talking about them as if they are facts. Those that do not buy them are sneered at, and called followers, which is ironic. We are not following YOU!:D

I am not in the mood for a big barny, but have one last thing to say. The thread about "God" is not about whether or not He exists. It's about how the science types endlessly bash on as if they are automatically right (while congratulating themselves), but as soon as we even mention our beliefs....."Boo hoo, boo hoo, these religious people keep trying to cram their beliefs down our throats".

Bunch of fucking babies!

[tgd_02]

argh the way i see it:
atheist are reluctant religion or god followers
only when put into a near death situation they are gonna be closing their eyes gritting their teeth and praying to their non existing god asking to help them
i know this out of personal situations and events around me, u know wat they say, no atheists in foxholes....

[hunsrus]

argh the way i see it:
atheist are reluctant religion or god followers
only when put into a near death situation they are gonna be closing their eyes gritting their teeth and praying to their non existing god asking to help them
i know this out of personal situations and events around me, u know wat they say, no atheists in foxholes....

So, will you be crying out to Satan when you go? Just curious...

[tgd_02]

if your not going to take serious wat i wrote please step out of this thread and go into another that i may be bullshiting in, thanks

[hunsrus]

Nobody takes what you write seriously! I was just curious what your answer would be. Whatever... Your childish responses reveal a lot!:D:D

[tgd_02]

o thats right u joined 2 weeks ago didnt you? yea
oo and tell me wat do they reveal?
i didnt know there was "internet pych" nowadays
fucking toolbag quit derailing the thread

[hunsrus]

I've been here much longer than you think. Anyways, what difference does it make. You still never answered the question, douchebag!:1orglaugh::D

[tgd_02]

rite
longer? months? sure thing bud
and as far as ur question il say it again:
dont derail, tool

[hunsrus]

Three months... Right. BWAHAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAA

[AllisterFiend]

Stop derailing the thread.

[Afronaught]

argh the way i see it:
atheist are reluctant religion or god followers
only when put into a near death situation they are gonna be closing their eyes gritting their teeth and praying to their non existing god asking to help them
i know this out of personal situations and events around me, u know wat they say, no atheists in foxholes....

Actually, I am also intersted now TGD, When your time comes to 'snuff it' Who's name will you be calling out to for "Salvation"?

Actually I'd like to hear AllisterFiend's answer to the same question. will you be crying to Darwin, Einstine or Hawkins for salvation when your time comes, AllisterFiend?

I'll Show mine if you show me yours.

[tgd_02]

whos name will i be callling? why does that matter? wat im saying is that a person finds god wen put in peril and by god i mean a higher power, a source of salvation, hope, and the chance to get out of that situation, and if they do get out of that situation, i doubt theyll go back to "theres no god" and w/e
i do hope that u afronaught dont assume my religious beliefs and credences because of an avatar, from reading your posts u seem to have a higher maturity and understanding in comparison to hunrus and his 17 year old garbage...
i must add that i have been on this forum longer than the majority of ppl and have already explained why i have the avatar that i do, im not willing to disclose wat they are again and i wont even say if i follow a religion or not but...dont assume, it makes an ass outa ya!

[AllisterFiend]

I don't think I will be crying to anyone... lol

Or, I never have.

My mom, aunt, grandmother... my close family is not religious. My mom gave me free choice of what I wanted to believe in. She didn't pressure me on believing anything.

I use to go to church a long time ago. I liked it. But just because it was a happy place.

But even when I use to go, I could see holes in most of the things in the bible... I've always questioned it. More truth about the natural world from science, I've found, than in any religion. The more I research, the more it makes sense. The more I research about the bible and read it, the more bullshit it really is.

I would LOVE for there to be a god. And an afterlife. If you can somehow prove to me, and convince me that there is, I will be the first one in church tomorrow.

[DandruffBGone]

I don't think I will be crying to anyone... lol

Or, I never have.

My mom, aunt, grandmother... my close family is not religious. My mom gave me free choice of what I wanted to believe in. She didn't pressure me on believing anything.

I use to go to church a long time ago. I liked it. But just because it was a happy place.

But even when I use to go, I could see holes in most of the things in the bible... I've always questioned it. More truth about the natural world from science, I've found, than in any religion. The more I research, the more it makes sense. The more I research about the bible and read it, the more bullshit it really is.

I would LOVE for there to be a god. And an afterlife. If you can somehow prove to me, and convince me that there is, I will be the first one in church tomorrow.

I can only speak personally, but I did not become a believer because of the Bible. I didn't even have one, and rarely read the one I have now.

[tgd_02]

ull be waiting forever mangz aint no one gon tell u if it does exist, unless creepy ghosts come ooooooooooooo but then everyone would be like, drop the pipe
and....faith is faith and thats proof for the believers...

[Big Ozzie]

ull be waiting forever mangz aint no one gon tell u if it does exist, unless creepy ghosts come ooooooooooooo but then everyone would be like, drop the pipe
and....faith is faith and thats proof for the believers...

Thanks, tgd......Word!

[Rocker Kid]

I don't think I will be crying to anyone... lol

Or, I never have.

My mom, aunt, grandmother... my close family is not religious. My mom gave me free choice of what I wanted to believe in. She didn't pressure me on believing anything.

I use to go to church a long time ago. I liked it. But just because it was a happy place.

But even when I use to go, I could see holes in most of the things in the bible... I've always questioned it. More truth about the natural world from science, I've found, than in any religion. The more I research, the more it makes sense. The more I research about the bible and read it, the more bullshit it really is.

I would LOVE for there to be a god. And an afterlife. If you can somehow prove to me, and convince me that there is, I will be the first one in church tomorrow.

That's where Steven you go awry. Religion is about faith not proof. Hopefully you wont fall into the "proof trap" where you can't get enough proof and you become very angry. Most of my frineds are like that.

Plus who uses a modern Bible for research?!

So what makes us love the music Stven? Brain chemicals?

[AllisterFiend]

That's where Steven you go awry. Religion is about faith not proof. Hopefully you wont fall into the "proof trap" where you can't get enough proof and you become very angry. Most of my frineds are like that.

Plus who uses a modern Bible for research?!

So what makes us love the music Stven? Brain chemicals?

I'm gunna answer this tomorrow when I can think straight... lol
took some meds and feeling weird :xyxthumbs:

[DandruffBGone]

I don't think I will be crying to anyone... lol

Or, I never have.

My mom, aunt, grandmother... my close family is not religious. My mom gave me free choice of what I wanted to believe in. She didn't pressure me on believing anything.

I use to go to church a long time ago. I liked it. But just because it was a happy place.

But even when I use to go, I could see holes in most of the things in the bible... I've always questioned it. More truth about the natural world from science, I've found, than in any religion. The more I research, the more it makes sense. The more I research about the bible and read it, the more bullshit it really is.

I would LOVE for there to be a god. And an afterlife. If you can somehow prove to me, and convince me that there is, I will be the first one in church tomorrow.

Anyway Allister, if we tried to "prove it to you" (which of course nobody can because it's about faith not proof as TGD pointed out) then you would only look upon it as us trying to "force our beliefs" on you.

[jaba]

Where faith is concerned I'm easy.
Faith is a good thing and people thrive on it. I'm a non believer but I sometimes wish I could believe in God since I've seen so many people take comfort in prayer.

[Afronaught]

i do hope that u afronaught dont assume my religious beliefs and credences because of an avatar, from reading your posts u seem to have a higher maturity and understanding in comparison to hunrus and his 17 year old garbage...

I never assume TGD, and of course it never hurts to ask. I was just interested in what you would answer.

[hunsrus]

whos name will i be callling? why does that matter? wat im saying is that a person finds god wen put in peril and by god i mean a higher power, a source of salvation, hope, and the chance to get out of that situation, and if they do get out of that situation, i doubt theyll go back to "theres no god" and w/e
i do hope that u afronaught dont assume my religious beliefs and credences because of an avatar, from reading your posts u seem to have a higher maturity and understanding in comparison to hunrus and his 17 year old garbage...
i must add that i have been on this forum longer than the majority of ppl and have already explained why i have the avatar that i do, im not willing to disclose wat they are again and i wont even say if i follow a religion or not but...dont assume, it makes an ass outa ya!

Wow! Last time I fought I was twelve. Now I'm seventeen! I age fast. LOL:rasta::rasta::rasta::1orglaugh:

[hunsrus]

Stop derailing the thread.

Mind your business! Go back to your toothless girlfriend/cousin!

[Afronaught]

Hunsrus,

It Seems, that you have absolutly nothing to contribute to this thread, and if you are 12 years old as you stated above, it would be wise for you to actually read and ask questions instead of insulting everyone. I know this is the fight room but, if you have nothing intelligent to say, then I suggest you keep quiet and learn someting.

[tgd_02]

Hunsrus,

It Seems, that you have absolutly nothing to contribute to this thread, and if you are 12 years old as you stated above, it would be wise for you to actually read and ask questions instead of insulting everyone. I know this is the fight room but, if you have nothing intelligent to say, then I suggest you keep quiet and learn someting.
and in case that was too much for you to read heres the short version:
get the fuck out, your a bother

[hunsrus]

Hunsrus,

It Seems, that you have absolutly nothing to contribute to this thread, and if you are 12 years old as you stated above, it would be wise for you to actually read and ask questions instead of insulting everyone. I know this is the fight room but, if you have nothing intelligent to say, then I suggest you keep quiet and learn someting.

Your suggestion is noted

[hunsrus]

and in case that was too much for you to read heres the short version:
get the fuck out, your a bother


Mission accomplished!:D

[tgd_02]

and apparantly dont have reading skills

[hunsrus]

and apparantly dont have reading skills

Self pwn!!! LOL!!:1orglaugh::1orglaugh::1orglaugh:

[tgd_02]

ooo more proof!
like i said!!
*whistles

[hunsrus]

ooo more proof!
like i said!!
*whistles

Exactly. Illiterate :1orglaugh::1orglaugh::1orglaugh:

[tgd_02]

yes u are and u finally admit it!!

[hunsrus]

yes u are and u finally admit it!!


More proof!:1orglaugh::1orglaugh::rolleyes:

[hunsrus]

Thread derailed!!:1orglaugh::1orglaugh::cool:

[tgd_02]

good job toolbag
and try to finish middle skool b4 even mentioning college

[hunsrus]

In college now PWND!!:1orglaugh::cool:

[AllisterFiend]

How about you stop replying to him, TGD? And maybe he'll fuck off.:xyxthumbs::drinkup:

[Afronaught]

How about you stop replying to him, TGD? And maybe he'll fuck off.:xyxthumbs::drinkup:

That’s the sad thing about the poor child, he has no life, and He’ll carry on posting meaningless crap on the forum, even if TGD doesn’t respond, because he has no social life and craves attention. Probably suffers from an inferiority complex also.

[hunsrus]

That’s the sad thing about the poor child, he has no life, and He’ll carry on posting meaningless crap on the forum, even if TGD doesn’t respond, because he has no social life and craves attention. Probably suffers from an inferiority complex also.


[MOD NOTE: Are all 115 of this member's posts of similar content? :eek: -snuff]

[Afronaught]

[MOD NOTE: Are all 115 of this member's posts of similar content? -snuff]

You see child (I call you one because you act like one), I don't care how old you are, but your responses on this thread have been so puerile that every one here has been referring to you as a pubescent. The sad thing is that you have failed to catch the hint, once again showing to every one here that physically you may perceive yourself as adult but mentally you are still a child.

Your rhetoric comebacks are usually just simple name calling, it seems that you’re wasting your time in college as you clearly are not learning anything. :xyxthumbs:

[hunsrus]

You won't admit it will you? You actually believed my 12 year old statement. I just found that hilarious and wanted to point it out.

Have a nice day(More name calling, just for fun!):D
STILL OWNED!

P.S. Thread still derailed.:drinkup::drinkup:

[The Joker]

i love being aithiest. . .show me proof that moses acually talk to a burning bush....then we'll talk...

[hunsrus]

It's not hard, dude. Anyone can set a bush on fire and talk to it!:drinkup:

[AllisterFiend]

http://talkingincircles.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/1170191653865.jpg

[jaba]

The person who wrote that cannot possibly be Christian - just a prick who is brainwashed. Nice one Al.

[Afronaught]

The person who wrote that cannot possibly be Christian - just a prick who is brainwashed. Nice one Al.

Maybee Alice Shannon is a Scientologist.

[Big Ozzie]

http://talkingincircles.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/1170191653865.jpg

The person who wrote that cannot possibly be Christian - just a prick who is brainwashed. Nice one Al.

I must agree with Jaba on this one...however, it could be a "Brainwashed Christian", one who sends all their hard earned money into those "Christian TV Shows".
True Christians, while saddened that the Government took the prayers out of the schools, will continue to Pray on their own.
The same as they have done for almost 2000 years. Not being allowed to Pray never stopped anyone from doing so if their faith was strong enough.
"In God We Trust" was not always on money issued by the US Government either.

[Snuff.]

Snuff did a whoopsie, I'm afraid - thought I was in the "Last Post Owns All" thread in General Chat for some reason. :o

Please don't lynch me - I've been working all night and my brain isn't functioning properly.

My apologies.

[Brixton]

Snuff did a whoopsie, I'm afraid - thought I was in the "Last Post Owns All" thread in General Chat for some reason. :o


Wrong thread as you know, but seeing as you want to be PWNED, then this is for you mate! ;)


http://upload.agentstepp.com/213.52.140.99/SNUFFPWNED.GIF

[Big Ozzie]

"You want to be PWNED, then this is for you mate!" ;)


http://upload.agentstepp.com/213.52.140.99/SNUFFPWNED.GIF
How did ya think that ya waz in the Pwnage Room, Snuffy.....waz ya gonna post a pic?

[Snuff.]

How did ya think that ya waz in the Pwnage Room, Snuffy.....waz ya gonna post a pic?

I had too many tabs open in my browser. :o Apologies for the fuck-up - and yes: it is ownage well and true.