Guns?

[Rocker Kid]

Do you think the general public should be allowed to carry guns?

Let's not let this end up in the fight room.

[shawmutt]

Of course...how else am I going to kill bambi?

I tried bowhunting once but they bleed all over the place when they try to run away. I hit one with an arrow and it took me almost an hour to catch up to it. It was still alive and laying near a stream, and I had to drown it in about 2 inches of water.

When I shoot them I don't have to run as far and if it's still alive I just shoot it again.

Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people. Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone.

[Avaloner]

To many morons have acces to guns and they feel so much better because of them, they are just little boys with a dangerous toy.
I'm not talking about hunters, thats ok, but without guns so many "wannabe drug dealers" and "gangster" wouldn't show up.

[shawmutt]

I'm not talking about hunters, thats ok, but without guns so many "wannabe drug dealers" and "gangster" wouldn't show up.

These types of people have been around since the beginning of humankind. Taking guns away won't make them go away, it will merely change their method.

Furthermore, the original question wasn't about "gangsters" or "drug dealers" or any other criminal. The question was about the common law-abiding folk.

[Snuff.]

I'm not a fan of the stringent UK gun laws, personally. I don't want a weapon for self-defense - although to own one would include that in the package - or for hunting - though should the situation arise... - basically, my ethos goes as such: guns are fun. :D

Don't sell them to those with any violent record and track them (as modern technology can well allow for) and shit should be fine.

[Big Ozzie]

I posted this in another topic in the fight room
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There are some useful and interesting information on gun control and gun rights in the following links:
The following was quoted from this site:
http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/FederalGunLaws.aspx?ID=59
Quote:
CARRYING ON OR ABOUT THE PERSON

It must be stressed that as soon as any firearm (handgun, rifle, or shotgun) is carried on or about the person, or placed where it is readily accessible in a vehicle, state and local firearms laws regarding carrying apply. If you seek to transport firearms in such a manner, it is advisable that you determine what the law is by contacting the Attorney General's office in each state through which you may travel or by reviewing a NRA/ILA State Firearms Law Digest or the Concealed Carry Reciprocity guide and also available by calling NRA/ILA at 800-392-8683. You should determine whether a permit is needed and how to obtain one if available. While many states require a permit for this type of carrying, most will not issue such permits to nonresidents, and others prohibit such carrying altogether.




For individual state info go here:
http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=18

only two states allow a RESIDENT to carry without a permit...Vermont and Alaska. Wisconsin and Illinois refuses all concealed weapons permits by non law enforcement residents. Yet Chicago, IL has a pretty high rate of crimes committed with handguns!

The following is a link to states and whether they have Reciprocity and Recognition of other states carry permits:http://www.nraila.org/recmap/usrecmap.htm
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[Rocker Kid]

Yeah hunting of course. But the guns ought to be kept somwhere while the hunters are not in a hunting zone...

Some little kid shot a girl because she said she was better at Nintendo than him.

How many deaths are "accidents" because some kids where shwing off or playing with a gun?

Colombine Masacare.

The dude who injured 20 and killed one in Canada just a couple weeks ago.

Shooting the kid for walking on his lawn.

Endless cases.

Of course there are other weapons but not as effetive as guns. You would be killed before you could kill alot of people with a knife.

[Commando80]

People who carry guns should have a specialized liscense permitting them to. Or they must have a record of being attacked by someone before while they were unarmed IMO.

[shawmutt]

People who carry guns should have a specialized liscense permitting them to. Or they must have a record of being attacked by someone before while they were unarmed IMO.

Uh...what?

People do need a special license. It's called a gun permit.

I'm not sure I understand the second sentence.

[Rocker Kid]

People who carry guns should have a specialized liscense permitting them to. Or they must have a record of being attacked by someone before while they were unarmed IMO.

Uh...what?

People do need a special license. It's called a gun permit.

I'm not sure I understand the second sentence.

If they have a history of violence or any records ect ect.

[Commando80]

Ill dumb it down for ya.

Lets say a woman was attacked by a sexual predator in her hometown, She could get a gun to protect herself... Dumb enough for you? Or should I dumb it down even more?

[shawmutt]

Ill dumb it down for ya.

Lets say a woman was attacked by a sexual predator in her hometown, She could get a gun to protect herself... Dumb enough for you? Or should I dumb it down even more?

So...in your opinion a person would have to be raped before they are able to get protection--when the whole reason for the protection is to prevent the rape in the first place? In other words, I'd have to get shot and killed by a group of thugs before I was able to buy a gun? Yeah, that's pretty "dumbed down".

[Big Ozzie]

Ill dumb it down for ya.

Lets say a woman was attacked by a sexual predator in her hometown, She could get a gun to protect herself... Dumb enough for you? Or should I dumb it down even more?

Commando....Mind me asking, to Whom did you address this post too?

[shawmutt]

Me in response to me questioning his statement.

Or they must have a record of being attacked by someone before while they were unarmed IMO.

This sentence made no sense to me grammatically or logically, so he felt he had to "dumb it down" when really I needed him to "smarten up".

[sheing3003]

i support it! because if everyone has a powerful weapon then there will be less crimes.

[tim2x]

Yeah hunting of course. But the guns ought to be kept somwhere while the hunters are not in a hunting zone...

Some little kid shot a girl because she said she was better at Nintendo than him.

How many deaths are "accidents" because some kids where shwing off or playing with a gun?

Colombine Masacare.

The dude who injured 20 and killed one in Canada just a couple weeks ago.

Shooting the kid for walking on his lawn.

Endless cases.

Of course there are other weapons but not as effetive as guns. You would be killed before you could kill alot of people with a knife.

With some of the posts stating there would be less violent crimes if there were no guns, you are incorrect. The last 5 years here in my town there had been quite a few murders by knife. We got a lovely $300,000 dollar video system on the streets downtown because of em.
And in a crowded room, someone trained, with a knife, will take out quite a few people, if they are unarmed, and untrained, as most people are. I'm not talking some 30 dollar switch blade, butterfly knife, or Buck lockblade, but an actual knife, a K-bar, or Tanto, a Bowie. With training, knowing where all of the arterial points are, cut, slice, and done, next.
There are many places that you can get shot, and survive. Same as getting cut. But a trained fighter, will go for one of the 10 arterial points, which will bleed you out in minutes. Or just gut you, and leave everything that should be on the inside, on the outside. Dead is dead, whether it happens immediately, takes a few minutes, or a couple of hours.

[Commando80]

Ill dumb it down for ya.

Lets say a woman was attacked by a sexual predator in her hometown, She could get a gun to protect herself... Dumb enough for you? Or should I dumb it down even more?

Commando....Mind me asking, to Whom did you address this post too?

Talking to shawmutt, Ozzie.

[Commando80]

i support it! because if everyone has a powerful weapon then there will be less crimes.

There are many pros and cons to that statement.

Pro: Yeah, sure everyone will have a gun, so robberies will be harder.

Con. Many people will be killed. :)

[Clouds in the Sky]

Of course...how else am I going to kill bambi?

I tried bowhunting once but they bleed all over the place when they try to run away. I hit one with an arrow and it took me almost an hour to catch up to it. It was still alive and laying near a stream, and I had to drown it in about 2 inches of water.

When I shoot them I don't have to run as far and if it's still alive I just shoot it again.

Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people. Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone.



Bravo, for you have demonstrated ignorance yet again.

[shawmutt]

Of course...how else am I going to kill bambi?

I tried bowhunting once but they bleed all over the place when they try to run away. I hit one with an arrow and it took me almost an hour to catch up to it. It was still alive and laying near a stream, and I had to drown it in about 2 inches of water.

When I shoot them I don't have to run as far and if it's still alive I just shoot it again.

Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people. Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone.

Bravo, for you have demonstrated ignorance yet again.

I'm not sure how that's demonstrating ignorance. Too much blood from bow hunting, plus the meat gets gamey when they take so long to die. I suppose you're a vegetarian.

[crazyjoe]

Ill dumb it down for ya.

Lets say a woman was attacked by a sexual predator in her hometown, She could get a gun to protect herself... Dumb enough for you? Or should I dumb it down even more?

So you have to be a victim first before you can protect yourself with a firearm. GEE good idea.

No matter what criminals will get their hands on guns. Wether it be by legal means or illegal means(ILLEGAL GUNS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD JUST AS ILLEGAL DRUGS ARE). People have a right to protect themselves. Giving them the best tool available for doing so is their right. Taking away this right puts them at a disadvantage, and actually endangers their life. It basically gives the 'bad guys' the upper hand in any situation.

I can't and won't deny the terrible accidents that are caused with guns. But if people properly locked their guns and ammo in seperate boxes there would be a drastic decrease in those accidents.

[Colzi]

If u rid the world of guns the world would be a better place.

[shawmutt]

I can't and won't deny the terrible accidents that are caused with guns. But if people properly locked their guns and ammo in seperate boxes there would be a drastic decrease in those accidents.

Plus if these people would read the post from ozzie and others that clearly show gun accidents are not as common as some wackos want you to believe.

One thing that increases the number of gun "accidents" are suicides. It's a lot better to say someone was cleaning a gun and it went off accidently than to say the person shot themselves on purpose.

Skewed facts are not facts--they are just random ramblings from loonies. But then again, I'm just ignorant, so what do I know ;)

[Cymru am byth]

"guns don't kill people , rappers do, i seen it on a documentery on bbc2" GLC

[shawmutt]

If u rid the world of guns the world would be a better place.

The world was a pretty shitty place before guns too. Read up on some history.

If "u" rid the world of the internet the world would be a much better place.

[Cymru am byth]

If u rid the world of guns the world would be a better place.

The world was a pretty shitty place before guns too. Read up on some history.

If "u" rid the world of the internet the world would be a much better place.

yeah you had to actually get close to the guy you were killing and hack him to bits with a sword or axe and listen to him scream as you did it

[shawmutt]

yeah you had to actually get close to the guy you were killing and hack him to bits with a sword or axe and listen to him scream as you did it

Yeah...those were the days :lol:

[Colzi]

If u rid the world of guns the world would be a better place.

The world was a pretty shitty place before guns too. Read up on some history.

If "u" rid the world of the internet the world would be a much better place.


No i mean the state of the world as it isthe world would be a better place without them.

Take gangs for example, now i dont promote violence in any way well infact i condone it, however nowadays its u fcuk with me GUN ! weras yesteryear it was fighting with fists bats etc, gun culture is out of control.

[That Dude]

Ill dumb it down for ya.

Lets say a woman was attacked by a sexual predator in her hometown, She could get a gun to protect herself... Dumb enough for you? Or should I dumb it down even more?

So you have to be a victim first before you can protect yourself with a firearm. GEE good idea.

No matter what criminals will get their hands on guns. Wether it be by legal means or illegal means(ILLEGAL GUNS ARE BOUGHT AND SOLD JUST AS ILLEGAL DRUGS ARE). People have a right to protect themselves. Giving them the best tool available for doing so is their right. Taking away this right puts them at a disadvantage, and actually endangers their life. It basically gives the 'bad guys' the upper hand in any situation.

I can't and won't deny the terrible accidents that are caused with guns. But if people properly locked their guns and ammo in seperate boxes there would be a drastic decrease in those accidents.

I agree heartily with this post. I'm also going to add that the best way to decrease accidents with guns is to educate people about gun safety and the dangers of a loaded weapon, and if a parent owns a gun, they should go over this with their children early on so that little bobby doesn't accidentally killing his friend while showing him daddy's neat little "toy."

[Clouds in the Sky]

Of course...how else am I going to kill bambi?

I tried bowhunting once but they bleed all over the place when they try to run away. I hit one with an arrow and it took me almost an hour to catch up to it. It was still alive and laying near a stream, and I had to drown it in about 2 inches of water.

When I shoot them I don't have to run as far and if it's still alive I just shoot it again.

Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people. Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone.



Bravo, for you have demonstrated ignorance yet again.

I'm not sure how that's demonstrating ignorance. Too much blood from bow hunting, plus the meat gets gamey when they take so long to die. I suppose you're a vegetarian.


And assuming isn't ignorant?

[That Dude]

Annie, I'm actually curious as to what you found as ignorance in his original post. Care to explain?

[shawmutt]

Of course...how else am I going to kill bambi?

I tried bowhunting once but they bleed all over the place when they try to run away. I hit one with an arrow and it took me almost an hour to catch up to it. It was still alive and laying near a stream, and I had to drown it in about 2 inches of water.

When I shoot them I don't have to run as far and if it's still alive I just shoot it again.

Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people. Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone.



Bravo, for you have demonstrated ignorance yet again.

I'm not sure how that's demonstrating ignorance. Too much blood from bow hunting, plus the meat gets gamey when they take so long to die. I suppose you're a vegetarian.


And assuming isn't ignorant?

Jeez, you managed to skirt my answer and my question in four words. Good show.

[crazyjoe]

I agree heartily with this post. I'm also going to add that the best way to decrease accidents with guns is to educate people about gun safety and the dangers of a loaded weapon, and if a parent owns a gun, they should go over this with their children early on so that little bobby doesn't accidentally killing his friend while showing him daddy's neat little "toy."

Just like that cop did in FL who shot himself in the leg :lol:

But yeah I agree with that

[Clouds in the Sky]

Annie, I'm actually curious as to what you found as ignorance in his original post. Care to explain?


Em, get off my back already?


Seriously, I'm getting a tad annoyed.

[crazyjoe]

Annie, I'm actually curious as to what you found as ignorance in his original post. Care to explain?


Em, get off my back already?


Seriously, I'm getting a tad annoyed.

You're not making any sense. You're just throwing around the word Ignorant when he's obviously not being ignorant

Of course...how else am I going to kill bambi?

I tried bowhunting once but they bleed all over the place when they try to run away. I hit one with an arrow and it took me almost an hour to catch up to it. It was still alive and laying near a stream, and I had to drown it in about 2 inches of water.

When I shoot them I don't have to run as far and if it's still alive I just shoot it again.

Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people. Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone.



Bravo, for you have demonstrated ignorance yet again.

What ignorance? What he is saying is true.

Shooting a deer with a gun that is accurate can end it's life in seconds. An arrow on the other hand cannot be aimed as accuratly as a rifle, and does not grant instant death. Now I do not agree with hunting for game, but that's a whole other issue.

Americas founding fathers did want the population to be armed in order to overthrow the government if it got out of line.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

[kratos]

Put a third option to abstain/unsure.
And "annie" is showing her ******** side today i see.

[That Dude]

Annie, I'm actually curious as to what you found as ignorance in his original post. Care to explain?


Em, get off my back already?


Seriously, I'm getting a tad annoyed.

I'm not trying to be a gadfly, I'm sincerely curious. You have always told us to keep questioning others, especially when we don't understand.

[That Dude]

I agree heartily with this post. I'm also going to add that the best way to decrease accidents with guns is to educate people about gun safety and the dangers of a loaded weapon, and if a parent owns a gun, they should go over this with their children early on so that little bobby doesn't accidentally killing his friend while showing him daddy's neat little "toy."

Just like that cop did in FL who shot himself in the leg :lol:

But yeah I agree with that

Hahah, yes, well, sometimes the best lessons are done by example. :wink:

[Clouds in the Sky]

"Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people. Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone."


That's the part of his statement I deemed as being quite ignorant. Do I need to explain myself further?

[Draz]

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[shawmutt]

"Americans are granted the right to bear arms to prevent authority from taking over the will of the people."

Is taken directly from:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"Perhaps when there are no more power hungry people in this world I'll give up my gun and go pick flowers for everyone."

Expresses my exaspiration with hippies who run around saying "c'mon guys, you shouldn't have those shootie things" and offer no rational, realistic course of action. If there is any solution offered (which rarely is the case), they offer idealistic, naive, illogical "solutions" that have no place in this violent world we live in. This displays much more ignorance, imho, than my comment.

[Draz]

I got a .38 with only two bullets in it, two niggas what Ima do. I gotta think quickly should I run and try to get away should I stay and try to shoot both of them in the head or the legs? man, all fucked up stuck like chuck dawg and these realy tryna bust me up dawg. I sware if I live through this her brother and his boy gon' get killed for this and I put that on everything you can believe that gon get all of these bullets they gotta bleed for that.

[Commando80]

I got a .38 with only two bullets in it, two niggas what Ima do. I gotta think quickly should I run and try to get away should I stay and try to shoot both of them in the head or the legs? man, all fucked up stuck like chuck dawg and these realy tryna bust me up dawg. I sware if I live through this her brother and his boy gon' get killed for this and I put that on everything you can believe that gon get all of these bullets they gotta bleed for that.

You are like less annoying version of AMERICA. The wannabe gangster.

[crazyjoe]

I got a .38 with only two bullets in it, two niggas what Ima do. I gotta think quickly should I run and try to get away should I stay and try to shoot both of them in the head or the legs? man, all fucked up stuck like chuck dawg and these realy tryna bust me up dawg. I sware if I live through this her brother and his boy gon' get killed for this and I put that on everything you can believe that gon get all of these bullets they gotta bleed for that.

You are like less annoying version of AMERICA. The wannabe gangster.

I guess you would know a real one from a fake one :wink:

Draz if you're speaking truth go to a gun store and see if you can get some good money for the gun. If you get enough you could buy a smaller one with more ammo.

[Draz]

I got a .38 with only two bullets in it, two niggas what Ima do. I gotta think quickly should I run and try to get away should I stay and try to shoot both of them in the head or the legs? man, all fucked up stuck like chuck dawg and these realy tryna bust me up dawg. I sware if I live through this her brother and his boy gon' get killed for this and I put that on everything you can believe that gon get all of these bullets they gotta bleed for that.

You are like less annoying version of AMERICA. The wannabe gangster.

wtf are u talking 'bout, lil bra???

those are lyrics from a rap song.

I don't think im a gangsta cuz i know i aint...one things 4sure though I aint no sucka

don't ever speak on me you lil queer

[Brixton]

Do you think the general public should be allowed to carry guns?

Let's not let this end up in the fight room.

I already do mate ...

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/triplemini2.jpg

[Big Ozzie]

Do you think the general public should be allowed to carry guns?

Let's not let this end up in the fight room.

I already do mate ...

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/triplemini2.jpg

OMG...... :shock: ....I just shot a load in my pants! WTF is THAT? I want one!

[crazyjoe]

was the fastest shooting gun till the Metal Gun came around :)

[Brixton]

Do you think the general public should be allowed to carry guns?

Let's not let this end up in the fight room.

I already do mate ...

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/triplemini2.jpg

OMG...... :shock: ....I just shot a load in my pants! WTF is THAT? I want one!

We get alot of pigeons, so needed it for a cull .... 8)

[Colzi]

Na its for us Scots incase we invade thier borders!

We have axes n swords well be fine!!