Father Teaching his Tiny Baby How to Shoot a Pistol

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Father Teaching his Tiny Baby How to Shoot a Pistolbabiesgotgun

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[S_M_N]

1 week old now. maybe 2

[AllisterFiend]

Sick.

[shawmutt]

What's sick about that?

I was shooting a .22 with a short stock when I was 2. I learned how to handle guns the right way. To this day the first thing I do when I pick up a gun is check and see if it's loaded.

[muzik_guy]

Leave it to the moron population to keep pumping out new generations of backwards inbreds. This digusts me. Hey, maybe the kid will graduate to pipe bombs or hand grenades when he hits kindergarten. Jeezzzzzz...

[Cyberdeath]

That makes me sick..

And you wonder why there are so many deaths by handguns. And children playing with guns and having "accidents"

[Timmy_522]

i agree it may be inappropriate to expose such a young child to firearms at such a young age, but in a country which has so many firearms per capita someone should be teaching the youth proper safety prodcedures.

[shawmutt]

Again, I don't see anything "sick" about it. The child is in a very controlled environment, with ear protection. As a matter of fact, this child will be less likely to have an "accident" if he should come across a gun.

The man looks more like a cop than your stereotypical "redneck", fwiw.

[bigballer]

soooo, taking a young daughter into the kitchen and teaching her the skills of cooking and how to properly cut vegtables is wrong too??? riiiiiiiiight! Knives kill people too, but it doesn't mean she will grow up to kill people! teaching a child to handle a gun properly for hunting, target shooting, ect??? what's wrong with that? nothing!

[petergriffin]

That makes me sick..

And you wonder why there are so many deaths by handguns. And children playing with guns and having "accidents"

these accidents are prevented by teaching proper gun safety at a young age. as demostrated here. fool.

[DrElektro]

Again, I don't see anything "sick" about it. The child is in a very controlled environment, with ear protection. As a matter of fact, this child will be less likely to have an "accident" if he should come across a gun.

The man looks more like a cop than your stereotypical "redneck", fwiw.

Less likely? What will he do if he finds his dads guns he played with before? What if he knows how to load it at the age of 2? What if he goes to his friends with his new toy to show them what his father teached him?

[petergriffin]

soooo, taking a young daughter into the kitchen and teaching her the skills of cooking and how to properly cut vegtables is wrong too??? riiiiiiiiight! Knives kill people too, but it doesn't mean she will grow up to kill people! teaching a child to handle a gun properly for hunting, target shooting, ect??? what's wrong with that? nothing!

good to see someone whos not an anit-gun fool. people say that guns kill people. yes. so do axes, chainsaws, knives, bombs, and other fun stuff. the world is full of crazy people and idiots. today kids bring guns to school. 2000 years ago people would murder people for no reason with steel weapons. its the same concept. just newer technology.

[UncoverReality]

soooo, taking a young daughter into the kitchen and teaching her the skills of cooking and how to properly cut vegtables is wrong too??? riiiiiiiiight! Knives kill people too, but it doesn't mean she will grow up to kill people! teaching a child to handle a gun properly for hunting, target shooting, ect??? what's wrong with that? nothing!

I think the issue is the age of the child. I don't know many parents that would even show a child that age 'how to properly cut vegetables' with a kitchen knife, not to mention a loaded gun.

When the kid is old enough to truly comprehend the consequences associated with the use of guns, then I see nothing wrong with it. But until then, I think a water pistol would be sufficient!

[Sax]

The kid can learn how to kill his fellow students and teachers, with out shooting himself in the foot when he is, let's say 12 or so.

If that father is a cop, they have to take away his badge, and kick him in the balls, if that father is a redneck they should kick his balls.

See it's worse if you are cop, the extra you get is, you loose your job.

[copkiller]

this boy is so cuttie...what the fuck with all your comments? you all looks like XXXX XXXXX XXX XXXXX...this lil cuttie just learn to shoot with a pistol, his dad try to teach him his passion for guns.
Personal attacks on other members is a violation of posting rules....Please refrain from these type of comments outside of the Fight Room!.......Thankyou, BIG Ozzie (read your PM messages)

[imbeginner]

there is nothing sick about it. I know many American killed their dog or cat with a pistol at the age of 2, and they go hunting with their parents couple years later.

Will they kill a person? thats a completely different story.
When you made up your mind and decides to kill a person, it doesn't matter it is a knife, or a pistol you are using. Even a pen can do if you decides to kill, thats why we have laws to stop people making the kill decision.

[Brixton]

''thats why we have laws to stop people making the kill decision.''
No, you have laws to punish people for killing, there is no law that stops people from killing.

[Vanguard]

Sorry guys, but just because the kid learns how to shoot properly at a young age, doesn't mean he will be some homicidal killer. Or else we would have a lot more of em in our world... Oh no, the 2 year is packing heat! *Dives for cover*

[shawmutt]

When the kid is old enough to truly comprehend the consequences associated with the use of guns, then I see nothing wrong with it. But until then, I think a water pistol would be sufficient!

So what you're saying is that you need to teach a child how to play around with a toy gun first? What if you give that child a water pistol, and he associates "play" with "gun" and then finds his dad's real pistol? I know--"he shouldn't have had the gun within reach of the kid, blah, blah," but mistakes happen.

I'd rather teach my kid the first two things I learned about guns--don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot, and the first thing you do when you pick up a gun is check and see if it's loaded. Other saftey rules followed, but those two I do now without even thinking about it.

My kid will be shooting at 2 just like I was.

[AmnHanley]

the father for all you judgmental assholes know could very well have given in to his childs curiosity about his fathers hobby. if i were him and my child was constantly expressing curiosity in what i was doing cleaning my guns and taking them with me when i left the house after work to go to the range or go hunting etc... i would certainly have to teach him the basics, less he find one on his own through some mistake i had made and have an accident...fuck that. if my kid was curious i would rather i teach him than he learn the hard way should i forget to lock something up or should he learn where my keys are and decide to experiment. in my mind this father could very well be making a very responsible decision. i thought liberal folks were supposed to be open minded?

[twicon]

that learns him to be safe with guns bla bla... why not learn him not to touch guns... u know thats the right thing

[ShltFaCeD_420]

For the people comparing guns to chainsaws, knifes, and axes are part of the 1/4 of the american population that is retarded.
Chainsaws and axes where designed to cut wood, not kill ppl.
Guns were designed to kill people.
Hell u could kill someone with your fists, so comparing somethin that is ment to kill ppl to somethin designed for productive purposes is retarded.

[DirewolfUSMC]

While I tend to agree that this child is a bit young to be firing a pistol, at least it is being done is a safe environment. The child has on ear protection and is not given outright control of the weapon; the father is obviously holding the gun steady and absorbing the recoil for the child. For that I have to commend him.

Proper use of anything and having respect for that particular thing begins with proper teaching. You cannot tell from the clip what led up to this shooting session. Possibly the child showed curiosity in the gun and the father is satiating that curiosity or possibly the father is just instilling his knowledge into the child (albeit an early age). At any rate, I find it a little disturbing that people who posted on this clip were quick to assume that this man must be a "dumb redneck" and that the child is going to "graduate to pipebombs". That kind of blanket sterotyping just fosters intolerance, ignorance, and biggotry and I find that far more disturbing than this video clip.

"Learning without thought is labor lost, thought without learning is perilous."

[Naysayer]

The only problem i have with this is that the child may be too young to really have a concept of what death is. Children at this age tend to learn things the hard way. I.E touching a stove by accident teaches them what hot really means.

[shogoclint]

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU AMERICANS!!!!!!!!

'oh well he was waering the proper safty equipment in a contolled enviroment blah blah!'

I WANT AN HONEST SERIOUS ANSWER FROM ANYONE WHO AGREES WITH WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT TO THIS CHILD!

Give me areason why this child is being taught how to use a gun,not just at the age of 2 BUT why at all!!!!

Seriously! What is this facianation with guns in america!

Im qoteing her but i watched Bowling for columbine and thers this guy thats amember of some gun club sayin, 'if your not armed you not responsible, who's gonna protect your kids? The police? The army?'

PROTECT THEM FROM WHAT!!!!!!!

What is it americans are so afraid of they need guns in there homes for and to teach 2 year old children to shoot!!!!!!!

TELL ME!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

[Dennis]

Well folks as you can tell from my sig,
I'm Pro Gun.
I grew up in a house full of guns,
and the youngest son of a redneck deputy sheriff.
My brothers, sisters and I, there were 8 of us,
we were ALL taught gun safety and how to use a gun
for sport, hunting and self defense at a young age.
There were only two mishaps with guns that I know of,
and those were "hang fires".
There were a minumum of 50 different guns in our home
when I was growing up and no shooting accidents ever.
Because we had both of our parents in our home.
They were there to supervise and direct us.
They knew where we were, who we were with,
when we would be back.
Ask parents today where they're children are,
who they're with, who they're friends are,
or what they're son or daughter is in to.
Most don't have a fuckin clue.

[chuckief]

God, f#cking Yanks are so full of gun loving s'it. Every time there is a
fight somewhere in the world they are in there. No wonder they end up
killing so many friendly forces, they just chuck a loads of lead at it in
some vain atempt to kill it. Lets all hope they stay out of North Korea.
F#ckin' idiot arse wipes

[Colzi]

Whats wrong with this?- well a toddler is using a loaded weapon! Whats mind blowing is his father is teaching him!

I hate guns, if i could id destroy them all, but if its the US way t carry guns by all means- but teaching a kid let alone a toddler is wow ive seen it all and more in that clip!

If his dad is teaching him that guns will kill intruders etc he's a moron.
And if he's teaching him how to hunt , leave it till he's 16. HE'S A KID FOR F SAKE thier is nothing right about this clip.
At his age he shouldn't even be shown a gun let alone touch and fire one!

Im unsure what the general response was over thier, but over hear his actions would of been totally -condemned.
and that would be the right response!

[AllisterFiend]

I think it's wrong just because of his age... that's too young.

[Dennis]

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU AMERICANS!!!!!!!!

'oh well he was waering the proper safty equipment in a contolled enviroment blah blah!'

I WANT AN HONEST SERIOUS ANSWER FROM ANYONE WHO AGREES WITH WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT TO THIS CHILD!

Give me areason why this child is being taught how to use a gun,not just at the age of 2 BUT why at all!!!!

Seriously! What is this facianation with guns in america!

Im qoteing her but i watched Bowling for columbine and thers this guy thats amember of some gun club sayin, 'if your not armed you not responsible, who's gonna protect your kids? The police? The army?'

PROTECT THEM FROM WHAT!!!!!!!

What is it americans are so afraid of they need guns in there homes for and to teach 2 year old children to shoot!!!!!!!

TELL ME!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




Whats wrong with us??
I do feel the child was a bit young.
But, is it wrong to teach your children
to hunt, shoot, or defend themselves?

America is a country built with tools, a gun is a tool.
Weather it be for sport, hunting, or self defense.

As for protection. I feel if I want to protect me and mine.
I can't wait for the police to get here in 10 minutes.
My home town has about 40,000 people in it
and only 9 city police officers and 4 deputy sheriffs
on patrol duty per shift. The city police cover about a
10 square mile area each one covers just over a 1 mile square.
The deputy's cover the county, thats approx. 100 square miles.

Who's gona be there if someone try's to break in to my house
or commit a crime against my family???

You may disagree.
But, I prefer to exert my
God given right to self defense of me and mine.

Yes I'm a member of the National Rifle Association,
the Illinois Rifle Associatio, and 2 local gun clubs.

[Dennis]

God, f#cking Yanks are so full of gun loving s'it. Every time there is a
fight somewhere in the world they are in there. No wonder they end up
killing so many friendly forces, they just chuck a loads of lead at it in
some vain atempt to kill it. Lets all hope they stay out of North Korea.
F#ckin' idiot arse wipes

I sure do hope you remember what you wrote here
next time we have to come bail yer ass out of trouble.

[tgd_02]

w/e
stupid ass baby and father hope they both die

[Skyhigh]

well thats the NRRA for you. (National Redneck Rifle Association)

[Commando80]

Meh.. Id like to learn how to shoot a pistol/any gun and all.. but come on... that kid is like 2 or 3 years old!

[EmeralDragon]

Im unsure what the general response was over thier, but over hear his actions would of been totally condoned- and that would be the right response!

I think you mean condemned.

I don't understand some people's facination with guns. Yes, they interest me, but not enough to make me want to join a gun club, subscribe to magazines, or own one of my own (for now). I have thought about getting something small to have for home defense (2 story townhome with the bedroom upstairs and the stairs starting right at the front door), 0 way to escape if an intruder broke in while we were home. However, I'm also very frightened that an accident would happen if I had a gun in the home. If someone I loved was hurt or killed by my gun, I would be devestated.

However, I ALSO don't understand some other peoples absolute horror of guns. Yes, they are designed to kill people. So are swords. Are you saying swords should be banned? Some of you guys are worse than the religious zealots that mindlessly push their beliefs onto you, and d*mned are you if you don't agree! :roll:

I think the kid may be abit young for this kind of "hands on" teaching, but at least the father is taking all the neccesary precautions in protecting the child. And I promise you that there will be a very slim chance that he will mistreat firearms when he is old enough to handle one without his father holding it with him. Teach him early and satisify his curiousity in a safe enviroment, and he will be less likely to learn when his parents backs are turned...

Just my .02

[chuckief]

God, f#cking Yanks are so full of gun loving s'it. Every time there is a
fight somewhere in the world they are in there. No wonder they end up
killing so many friendly forces, they just chuck a loads of lead at it in
some vain atempt to kill it. Lets all hope they stay out of North Korea.
F#ckin' idiot arse wipes

I sure do hope you remember what you wrote here
next time we have to come bail yer ass out of trouble.


Yer mate I'll remember that, next time you lot get into a fight that your tin pot leader starts, then asks our poodle Blair to help him out. This reminds me of a little story I was told by a member of the Royal Air Force.

A flight Line Mechanic was sitting fixing an aircraft part, when from behind him came a loud American "Well boy, what’s it like to be in one of the smallest air forces on the World?" To this he replied without even looking up "What’s it like to be in the worst"?

All you lot can do is chuck money, equipment and manpower at a situation and hope you will squash all under foot. (Ha and that’s really happening in the Gulf at the moment isn’t it)? We have far less funding and far less military might, but our troops are better trained and they know how to think and react on their feet, not like your brain dead “SIR, YES SIR” boys. We don’t join up in the military cos we are trying to get out of the ghetto or it’s a better deal than Sing Sing, we join up because we want to. The British Forces are the envy of the World and pound for pound a far superior fighting force.

You see the point of this is you idiots think that everybody out there will bow down to the mighty USA, and yes, they probably will (with the exception of a few Middle East and Far East nations).
So God bless America and apple pie, lead us on into World destruction.

[__BLAK__]

GIT R DONE

[Dennis]

I could reply to the military or President comments.
But I won't get in to that pissin match.
I'm not happy with George W.
or the mess he's got us into ether.
This was about a man teaching his son to shoot.

EmeralDragon did a really good job of putting the situation into words.

[chuckief]

I could reply to the military or President comments.
But I won't get in to that pissin match.
I'm not happy with George W.
or the mess he's got us into ether.
This was about a man teaching his son to shoot.

EmeralDragon did a really good job of putting the situation into words.

Yer exactly, a guy teaching his 2 year old to SHOOT, that’s where it all starts. It’s the, I have a gun attitude, and I’m gonna use it mentality. THE CHILD IS 2

It's just sick

[brain eater]

This must be a redneck too be that dumb

[mrgein]

i hope this neanderthaulic pig head tiny dick simpleton gets shot by his kid in the middle of the night so he can give his daddy an example of his teachings. like a fuckin child knows the appropiate time to use a weapon. what a fuckin dipshit

[tilster]

Cant beleive how many people agree with this clip, the human brain cannot comprehend or understand death until around the age of 8. So like many post stated if that kid picks up the gun with his idiot father not around its just a toy. Why is it so important to Americans and middle easterners to have guns anyway the whole "right to bare arms" in your constitution was created during the frontier times. THIS IS CHILD ABUSE.

[shogoclint]

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU AMERICANS!!!!!!!!

'oh well he was waering the proper safty equipment in a contolled enviroment blah blah!'

I WANT AN HONEST SERIOUS ANSWER FROM ANYONE WHO AGREES WITH WHAT IS BEING TAUGHT TO THIS CHILD!

Give me areason why this child is being taught how to use a gun,not just at the age of 2 BUT why at all!!!!

Seriously! What is this facianation with guns in america!

Im qoteing her but i watched Bowling for columbine and thers this guy thats amember of some gun club sayin, 'if your not armed you not responsible, who's gonna protect your kids? The police? The army?'

PROTECT THEM FROM WHAT!!!!!!!

What is it americans are so afraid of they need guns in there homes for and to teach 2 year old children to shoot!!!!!!!

TELL ME!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




Whats wrong with us??
I do feel the child was a bit young.
But, is it wrong to teach your children
to hunt, shoot, or defend themselves?

America is a country built with tools, a gun is a tool.
Weather it be for sport, hunting, or self defense.

As for protection. I feel if I want to protect me and mine.
I can't wait for the police to get here in 10 minutes.
My home town has about 40,000 people in it
and only 9 city police officers and 4 deputy sheriffs
on patrol duty per shift. The city police cover about a
10 square mile area each one covers just over a 1 mile square.
The deputy's cover the county, thats approx. 100 square miles.

Who's gona be there if someone try's to break in to my house
or commit a crime against my family???

You may disagree.
But, I prefer to exert my
God given right to self defense of me and mine.

Yes I'm a member of the National Rifle Association,
the Illinois Rifle Associatio, and 2 local gun clubs.



If your so afraid of being broken into then move to a better location! If your so afraid of your house being broken into go somewhere else cause you obviously live in a bad area!

You are right however saying a gun is tool, not a tool to bulid or a tool to produce. but a tool specifically designed to KILL!

WHY do you have it built into your brain that you NEED a gun to go about living your day to day life!?

WHAT IS IT YOUR SO AFRAID OF! TELL ME PLEASE!

:evil:

[Colzi]

Whats wrong with this?- well a toddler is using a loaded weapon! Whats mind blowing is his father is teaching him!

I hate guns, if i could id destroy them all, but if its the US way t carry guns by all means- but teaching a kid let alone a toddler is wow ive seen it all and more in that clip!

If his dad is teaching him that guns will kill intruders etc he's a moron.
And if he's teaching him how to hunt , leave it till he's 16. HE'S A KID FOR F SAKE thier is nothing right about this clip.
At his age he shouldn't even be shown a gun let alone touch and fire one!

Im unsure what the general response was over thier, but over hear his actions would of been totally condemned.
and that would be the right response!




ITS A CHILD OF 2/3 CHILDREN SHOULD NEVER SEE A GUN LET ALONE HOLD AND FIRE ONE ! END OF CASE CLOSED

[shawmutt]

WHAT IS IT YOUR SO AFRAID OF! TELL ME PLEASE!

Nutcases like the person in your avatar. Over here they don't have canes and knives, they have guns.

Don't worry, I'll be sure to film my son or daughter shooting before they can walk so you can tell me how big of a redneck I am.

I suppose if it was a nerf pistol you'd all be laughing at how cute it was.

[xljoselx]

I hate it when fools from other countries say AMERICANS are gun crazy...i fucken hate them(guns). There are more murders in the US in one day than a year in countries that have laws against guns...its kinda late for us to get rid of them cuz every other dumbass has one. The second amendment was written in a completly different time period, before gangs, and during the times of musketts (i think) so people had chances to run

[TomasUli]

Bowling for Columbine is a great documentary. Watch it. It's a real eye opener.

It's about the United States, and its obsession about owning firearms, despite all the negative side effects they bring.

Just think about this: if guns are supposed to keep people safe, why are so many Americans killing each other (versus crime rates in the rest of the world)?

[Frost]

I still agree with the others that are saying the kid's too young... You're teaching a kid how to use a weapon before they're old enough to understand the difference between right and wrong. Did you hear the kid at all? Could barely speak a few words. So you say you're teaching him in a controlled environment.. teaching him what exactly? "Squeeze" the trigger instead of "pulling" it, aim down your sights, and when possible, wear something over your ears (even though daddy doesn't). Great.. I'm sure that kid'll completely understand the implications from that!

I grew up around guns, with full access to them and the ammunition since I was born.. but I wasn't taught about gun safety until I could at least form complete sentences. And when I have kids, I won't teach them to use a gun when they've barely learned to walk just to make a point, unlike some of you.

[great1]

Nothing wrong with teaching the child how to handle a gun responsibly, but while your at it give him a bottle of whiskey and teach him to drink responsibly.

[Jack Klompus]

The kid is way too young. That is just unnecessary. The father there is doing this for his own pleasure. At this age the kid has no idea of what he is doing. And even if he does have a slight clue of what he is actually doing he has no idea of the lethal power of that firewarm. He has no idea that this thing can actually kill people. Honestly, I see no educational purpose there whatsoever. Again, the kid is too young, and the father is doing that for his own recreation. It is just clear in this video, at least for me it is. In other words, that is just sick, which leads me to believe that there are way too many idiots having kids out there.

[ozark]

There's nothing wrong with teaching a one year old how to fire a gun.....if you name your kid BillyBob and you live in the sticks.

[Frost]

Since some parts of this conversation have centered around the banning of guns.. could someone please enlighten me as to the laws in America regarding firearms?

I don't know the EXACT laws regarding them in Canada, but I do know that any type of assault rifle, or any fully-automatic weapon is considered for one purpose only, killing people, and is therefore illegal. Rifles, shotguns and any hunting weapons are not only legal, but common as long as they're stored properly. Handguns are allowed but only with special permits and are for target practice only. Now.. many of you may think that restrictions like that wouldn't solve anything.. but in a city of 80,000 I'd say we have a firearm related crime once every 12-18 months (and even then, it's rare that a shot is ever fired).

Ironically, violent firearm crimes (especially gang related) in bigger cities like Vancouver and Toronto are committed with banned weapons smuggled in from the US.

http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/

[shogoclint]

I am glad to see that there are some people from the US posting on this topic that agree this is wrong. Thumbs up to you. :twisted:

Oh and by the way shawmutt, whould you feel happier if i changed my avatar to a pic of arnie in predator with a big assault rifle?

As long as its the good guy with a gun fighting for truth and justice its ok is it?

Be reasonable mate, my avatar is a charecter in a film, not a real person.
If there ARE people like this charecter that live near you the sensible thing would be to move house!? Dont live so close to a mental asylum! :twisted:

[tribute]

But I guess it is okay for Steve Irwin to dangle his BABIES in front of crocs?

I recall everyone downplaying that incident as nothing.

[Snuff.]

I suppose if it was a nerf pistol you'd all be laughing at how cute it was.

Well said!

[shawmutt]

Bowling for Columbine is a great documentary.

Bullshit. Michael Moore is a biased left-wing nut job who needs to stick to regular movies. I like him about as much as I like Ann Coulter, and trust him as far as I can throw his fat ass.

Bottom line, the kid was never in any danger.

In 2001, there were 801 accidental deaths from handguns. 801! Keep in mind, at least some of those weren't actually "accidental" but suicides that were ruled accidents.

I think there are more important things to worry about than a kid shooting a gun being held by his father.

[doubleboost]

1 week old now. maybe 2

Would have liked to see some eye protection

[UncoverReality]

You may disagree.
But, I prefer to exert my
God given right to self defense of me and mine.

[/b]

I was actually trying to see your point of view, but then you mentioned your 'God given right'. Did 'God' come to you and tell you this personally?

[shogoclint]

I think there are more important things to worry about than a kid shooting a gun being held by his father.

Your right, we will just worry about it when this kid becomes a teenager and takes his gun to school..... :evil:

[shawmutt]

Your right, we will just worry about it when this kid becomes a teenager and takes his gun to school..... :evil:

Again, skewing "facts" to try to make a null point. Question: what is the proportion of gun owners to wacko kids going to school with a gun?

[DirewolfUSMC]

Wow, everyone has really gone abroad with this thread. Political views, personal slanders, jokes about the US and UK Air Forces, Michael Moore, etc.

The only comment I saw that is worth expanding on was the one that said if the kid was shooting a Nerf pistol everyone would think it was cute. And that's true enough - no one would be making this big of a stink that's for sure; I highly doubt anyone would be making personal death wishes for the father or be reminiscing about Columbine at least! But here's the thing, and there's just no way around it: If you are scared that exposing a child to REAL handguns, rifles, etc. is going to be the root of his creating another Columbine incident 10-15 years from now, then you have to be scared that video games and toys that MIMIC guns are going to do the same thing. There are so many different arcade games that simulate shooting guns and killing police officers and whatnot that this has to be a concern as well...kids are playing video games that esentially teach them HOW TO SHOOT A GUN and they are using these simulated guns on SIMULATED PEOPLE in the games; that's just one step away from using a REAL gun and using it on REAL people. So, do we ban all video games that simulate gun usage and simulate killing people? Or do you feel that this falls into the "Nerf gun" category and it is just cute?

Also, if you think that mere exposure to weapons creates senseless killings and Columbine situations, then you are over-simplifying it. Gotta tell ya, I grew up in a small Indiana town and I would have to say that about half of the guys in my school were into hunting; shotguns, rifles, and compound bows. In the 13 or so years that I lived there, there were never any shootings and no one that I knew of ever brought a gun to the schools. Gee, now why is that? Well, I will tell you my theory - I think it's because the ones who do the shootings in the schools are simply very disturbed individuals. They are either outcasts, social misfits, or picked on constantly and have a desire to "get back at society" or "seek revenge". You want to stop the student-on-student shootings at the schools? Then change the way kids socialize with one another and how they form clicks and castes in the schools. Change the way parenting is done somehow as well since a lot of kids come home from school to empty houses and are unsupervised because both parents work. It's never Johnny Honor Roll or Billy All-Star that are doing the slayings...it's the people that Johnny and Billy dump on every day that finally snap. Then they go on the Internet and find plans on "how to make a pipebomb" and they make some (so let's ban the Internet too since that contributes to the insanity) and they break into their dad's or uncle's gun cabinet and swipe some weapons and then they go nuts! Yeah, let's not help the kids at all....let's just ban all firearms! That'll stop the killings! Then when the kids start bringing knives, swords, and edged weapons to use instead of guns we can ban the sale of those as well!!! And all the while, the same thing goes on that creates the situation in the first place - social exclusion and physical and mental abuse. You don't just wake up one morning and say, "You know, I've got things good and the future looks great...think I'll go to school and pop some caps into some asses." NO! It doesn't work that way. Just like it doesn't fit the same scenario if you have been trained to use a firearm! "Man, life sure sucks and I just want to get back at the world! But I can't think of a good way to do it....although, my dad DID show me how to use a gun. Yeah, that's the answer! Thanks dad!"

You cannot cure a headache by cutting off the patient's big toe; you have to treat the headache! You cannot stop violence in schools by simply outlawing guns; you have to find the root of the violence and TREAT THAT! The guns are merely a part of the right side of the equation:

x = (guns)+(other weapons)+(school slayings)

solve for x.

You can't solve for x if you just take out part of the right side of the equation!!! You have to find out what x is and change it!

[shawmutt]

On the topic of school killings, what we really need is a dress code. Here's why:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277245771309014482&q=kid+gun&hl=en

Yes I'm being sarcastic, and yes I laughed my ass off at these videos.

I'm scared of the school shootings, I am. My wife's a teacher, and I couldn't imagine her in that situation. However, we are learning, as a nation, how to deal with it. Unfortunately it's wake up calls like school shootings that get us off our complacent asses and start to deal with the problem. "Getting rid of all guns" ain't gonna happen. So we need to find other solutions. One of those solutions is gun education. Sorry if you folks outside the states finds that horrible.

[xljoselx]

the problem isnt kids learning to use guns, its how easily people can get them ... i talked to a kid from my old ghetto ass neighborhood and there were 2 drive-byes, three people died ( one old lady watering her plants and 2 rival gang members). Im saying that if we never were allowed to have guns in the first place we wouldnt have to worry about protecting our homes with guns from people with guns. I myself protect my house with a crowbar thats under my bed.

[AllisterFiend]

"Getting rid of all guns" ain't gonna happen. So we need to find other solutions. One of those solutions is gun education. Sorry if you folks outside the states finds that horrible.

I agree, but that kid was too young to be learning about guns.

[loadrunner]

-@ google movieclip-We have metaldetectors at school, so the guy should been arrested before entering the hall. notice: everyone who owns a gun is in violation( except police). Having a gun(no matter what reason) is always prosecuted. if you are lucky, and it is proven that the gun is someone else, you won't get the full 4 year penalty. so Never pick up a gun here. Even toys looking like real weapons are forbidden. they may not be solld.... So only the bad guys use guns here. Oh and the police

[RUNINWITHAGUN]

What's sick about that?

I was shooting a .22 with a short stock when I was 2. I learned how to handle guns the right way. To this day the first thing I do when I pick up a gun is check and see if it's loaded.


Me too. Maybe cause we were actually tough how to handle, and most importantly respect firearms. I'm the same way I constantly check the chamber when I'm cleaning them or otherwise handling firearms to know that it isn't loaded (common sense). There's nothing wrong with firearm education that's better then being an ignorant person. Kids these days see movies, and watch TV and think guns are toys. That's why you teach them that they aren't, and you need to respect them, and get away from sputid people that don't. Atleast that's what I was taught. It's not like the dad handed him the gun and walks away. The little kid never once was holding the gun by himself. I don't see the problem.

[Makaveli]

I hate it when fools from other countries say AMERICANS are gun crazy...i fucken hate them(guns). [b]There are more murders in the US in one day than a year in countries that have laws against gunsM[b]...its kinda late for us to get rid of them cuz every other dumbass has one. The second amendment was written in a completly different time period, before gangs, and during the times of musketts (i think) so people had chances to run
source of info please.



So what you're saying is that you need to teach a child how to play around with a toy gun first? What if you give that child a water pistol, and he associates "play" with "gun" and then finds his dad's real pistol? I know--"he shouldn't have had the gun within reach of the kid, blah, blah," but mistakes happen.

I'd rather teach my kid the first two things I learned about guns--don't point it at anything you don't intend to shoot, and the first thing you do when you pick up a gun is check and see if it's loaded. Other saftey rules followed, but those two I do now without even thinking about it.

My kid will be shooting at 2 just like I was.
agreed. thats like going to a grocery store and buying "candy pills" in a little bottle for your kid. then the next time they see your perscription medicine laying out they think "ooooh candy!"


For the people comparing guns to chainsaws, knifes, and axes are part of the 1/4 of the american population that is retarded.
Chainsaws and axes where designed to cut wood, not kill ppl.
Guns were designed to kill people.
Hell u could kill someone with your fists, so comparing somethin that is ment to kill ppl to somethin designed for productive purposes is retarded.
well first off not all guns were designed to kill people, very few were. The pistol he was shooting was a Rugar .22 sport shooting pistol. another thing is that some bullets were ment to kill and some were ment to hit the middle of the circle. i can guarentee he isnt shooting hollow points or full metal jackets. You say knives werent ment to kill but isnt a sword just a big knife? werent daggers ment to kill? the only reason why people are afraid of guns is because they are uneducated on the subject.

This must be a redneck too be that dumb
you must be a democrat to make such idiotic assumptions with no evidence at all.

I think there are more important things to worry about than a kid shooting a gun being held by his father.
"Did you know that water is 19 times more dangerous to a child than a firearm? In 1996, 805 children died from accidental drownings and 42 died from firearm accidents. (Gun control zealots inflate “child” firearm deaths by including teenage drug gang members killed in turf battles.)

Bathtubs are twice as dangerous to children as guns. Fire is 18 times more dangerous to children than guns. Cars are 57 times more dangerous. Household cleaners and poisons are twice as dangerous." -http://www.vdare.com/roberts/gun_control_myths.htm (among other sites)

[RUNINWITHAGUN]

the problem isnt kids learning to use guns, its how easily people can get them ... i talked to a kid from my old ghetto ass neighborhood and there were 2 drive-byes, three people died ( one old lady watering her plants and 2 rival gang members). Im saying that if we never were allowed to have guns in the first place we wouldnt have to worry about protecting our homes with guns from people with guns. I myself protect my house with a crowbar thats under my bed.


a crowbar????? are you serious????? WOW good luck with that.

[ozark]

Bullshit. Michael Moore is a biased left-wing nut job who needs to stick to regular movies. I like him about as much as I like Ann Coulter, and trust him as far as I can throw his fat ass.

:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: :shock:

I'm shocked...I would've thought he was your hero!! Maybe there still is some hope for you?

In todays world, there is no reason for a newborn to be shooting live weapons. I think you're just trying to be a devils advicate...you wouldn't let YOUR newborn be around live ammo..would you??? I can see someone training a toddler to be around guns if he were the son of a suicide bomber family...but come on,,

[wannabe me]

Most school shooting incidents are due to Prozac related drugs. Those are what should be banned along with the psychiatric frauds who pose as "mental health experts" and prescribe them instead of bothering to understand the problems before attempting to deal with them.

[ozark]

Most school shooting incidents are due to Prozac related drugs. Those are what should be banned along with the psychiatric frauds who pose as "mental health experts" and prescribe them instead of bothering to understand the problems before attempting to deal with them.

They're taking Prozac because they're fucked up kids to start with!! With or without drugs...they're just problem kids either way. The parents can't deal with their children so they'll try anything to change the situation. Who knows...WITHOUT the Prozac, maybe the kids would be even worse. They ought to just give the kid some weedsmoke and maybe that would settle them down.

[DigitalThunder]

-@ google movieclip-We have metaldetectors at school,


That is sick enough..........

[nixrevol]

i'm sorry but what happens when the baby thinks "oh that was fun with daddy today, i'll go and find his gun" and bang hes dead(he might not be a responsible gun owner and keeps it in a shoe box/drawer).

I agree with the fact that children should be educated about gun safety but you have to accept that even in "controlled" situations accidents happen. In my opinion a child of that age should not be exposed to something like that for the reasons I stated above.

[vikings84]

The kid is way to young to be doing that ,im all for kids learning gun safety,but he is way to young to even understand what the father is telling him. The gun he is shooting is a Ruger Mark II 22 cal. Great pistol for target shooting.

[vikings84]

The one thing i would like to add is even though i think the kid is to young,the father was being very safe about it. He never did take his hands off the gun.If he did, that would be a big mistake.

[Frost]

Why is it that when some of you say "the kid's too young, the father should wait until he's a bit older and understands the responsability", others read that as "you should never teach your kids about guns unless you want them to blow their heads off or go to school and kill a bunch of kids!"

It almost seems as though some of you are arguing that you better teach your kid about guns at age 2 'cause if you wait 'till he's 6 or 7, its too late! The world will come to an end!

[Makaveli]

i'm sorry but what happens when the baby thinks "oh that was fun with daddy today, i'll go and find his gun" and bang hes dead(he might not be a responsible gun owner and keeps it in a shoe box/drawer).

I agree with the fact that children should be educated about gun safety but you have to accept that even in "controlled" situations accidents happen. In my opinion a child of that age should not be exposed to something like that for the reasons I stated above. do you think the kid will even remember what he was doing in 2 days? the dad had to keep reminding him to pull the trigger. how is he going to load a mag, put it in the gun, cock it, and then remember to pull the trigger? and since everyone here thinks hes a redneck then there is no way that he would keep that gun in the house loaded. hes going to keep his .45 loaded at all times or one of his many other more powerfull firearms because since you think he is a redneck he must have tons more guns.

[bigballer]

what I really hate is when people who don't live in the US try to tell us all about our history, how we live our lives, ect ect ect. bottem line, if you don't live here, you don't know dick about our lives. don't base your opinions on what you read in the paper, or see on tv, or hear from buddies on filecabi. you live your lives by how you were raised in your country and we live our lives by how we were raised in our country. yes, there are many differences, just like a kid who is raised to be jewish is jewish, and a christian is raised christian. if you take two jewish parents and tell them not to raise their child jewish, does the kid grow up still with jewish ideas? no! if your father is a fisherman but never teaches you how to fish, do you learn just because he fishes. no! point being, you learn what you're taught. I'm told that in the uk they have strict gun laws, and most of the population don't have access to guns. our laws in the US are more lax compared to you, but who does that make "right"? you apparently are taught that "guns" are bad, we are taught that "people" are bad. so who is right? both of us. you can't dictate we are bad people based on your own beliefs that being because of how you were raised. who will ever be right in that argument. so I guess agree to disagree right???

[libtech158]

fuck yeah i'm teaching all my children to fire ak's.

[petergriffin]

the problem isnt kids learning to use guns, its how easily people can get them ... i talked to a kid from my old ghetto ass neighborhood and there were 2 drive-byes, three people died ( one old lady watering her plants and 2 rival gang members). Im saying that if we never were allowed to have guns in the first place we wouldnt have to worry about protecting our homes with guns from people with guns. I myself protect my house with a crowbar thats under my bed.

hey bob 4 guys are comeing down the street shooting everyone in sight. meh dont worry dan. ive got my crowbar. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GORDON FREEMAN! LOL A CROWBAR!

[Frost]

the problem isnt kids learning to use guns, its how easily people can get them ... i talked to a kid from my old ghetto ass neighborhood and there were 2 drive-byes, three people died ( one old lady watering her plants and 2 rival gang members). Im saying that if we never were allowed to have guns in the first place we wouldnt have to worry about protecting our homes with guns from people with guns. I myself protect my house with a crowbar thats under my bed.

hey bob 4 guys are comeing down the street shooting everyone in sight. meh dont worry dan. ive got my crowbar. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GORDON FREEMAN! LOL A CROWBAR!

You're scared of 4 guys coming down the street shooting everyone in sight? Do you live in the US or Iraq?

[nixrevol]

i'm sorry but what happens when the baby thinks "oh that was fun with daddy today, i'll go and find his gun" and bang hes dead(he might not be a responsible gun owner and keeps it in a shoe box/drawer).

I agree with the fact that children should be educated about gun safety but you have to accept that even in "controlled" situations accidents happen. In my opinion a child of that age should not be exposed to something like that for the reasons I stated above. do you think the kid will even remember what he was doing in 2 days? the dad had to keep reminding him to pull the trigger. how is he going to load a mag, put it in the gun, cock it, and then remember to pull the trigger? and since everyone here thinks hes a redneck then there is no way that he would keep that gun in the house loaded. hes going to keep his .45 loaded at all times or one of his many other more powerfull firearms because since you think he is a redneck he must have tons more guns.

Remember in 2days? dude wtf? hes two years old atleast and hes not a goldfish I think he'll remember.

Did I say anywhere that he was a red neck, would you like to show me where I said he was a redneck. Do not assume that i'm against guns, I'm not against guns: it's in your constitution to you have the right to bare arms and I respect that. What I will say is that yes there are a small % of children killed by guns in America but it that not a small % to much?

[DirewolfUSMC]

Remember in 2days? dude wtf? hes two years old atleast and hes not a goldfish I think he'll remember.

Did I say anywhere that he was a red neck, would you like to show me where I said he was a redneck. Do not assume that i'm against guns, I'm not against guns: it's in your constitution to you have the right to bare arms and I respect that. What I will say is that yes there are a small % of children killed by guns in America but it that not a small % to much?

I agree - I believe the child is going to remember the incident for quite some time, but at that age if the memory isn't reinforced periodically then the memory will fade. For example, my daughter was 18 months old when my father passed away and she could remember him for a few years after that and was able to recall things they did together when he was alive. But as time wore on (she is 8 years old now), those memories have faded and she cannot recall them anymore. I cannot recall much I did or experienced prior to the age of 4 myself. And yes, I do feel that maybe the child is a little too young to be taught firearms but then again, I feel that a child is a little too old to be breastfeeding at the age of 3 or 4 and I see that happening occasionally as well. Now I am not trying to compare the two - just stating that my opinions obviously vary from the opinions of others, that's all.

Yes, the number of children killed in the US by firearms is a small number when compared with the other causes of death, such as automobile-related incidents, drowning, electrocution, etc. And yes, the number of children killed by firearms is still too high no matter what the number might be. However, I don't think you can put an "acceptable losses" number on ANY statistic for ANY loss of life. You cannot just say, "Well, based upon the number of cars on the road and the number of children in those cars, the acceptable loss of life to children is 10,000 annually. If it climbs above that, then we need to take steps." So in my opinion the losses of children every year due to all of these things is way too high.

Personally, when I look at the numbers, I see a common element: parental negligence. Now I am not stating that ALL accidental childhood deaths are the result of negligence, but I am willing to wager that the vast majority of them are. Take automobile-related incidents for example; I am willing to say that the overwhelming majority of those deaths are due to:
A.) Children not being put in a restraining device such as a booster seat or a car seat, or

B.) Children in restraining devices that are improperly secured within those devices or the device is improperly anchored to the vehicle's seat.

Now yes, there are going to be unavoidable circumstances that lead to some deaths, like debris flying through the window during the accident that actually causes the killing blow. But I think that the majority of automobile-related deaths can be contributed to points A and B and those two points can be contributed to parental negligence.

The same thing can be said for firearm deaths. These are the direct result of parental negligence, like leaving the weapons loaded and out in the open for the child to find or improperly storing the weapon in a location that is unsecure. Weapons need to be locked up in a gun safe unloaded, preferably with a trigger lock in place as well, and the ammunition needs to be locked up in a separate safe. And to me, from the way this guy is handling the situation with his son, he is not the kind of guy that leaves his weapons lying around with ammo loaded in them. Yes, he still might be that stupid but it doesn't appear so. I doubt his child will become a statistic.

[tilster]

But I guess it is okay for Steve Irwin to dangle his BABIES in front of crocs?

I recall everyone downplaying that incident as nothing.

Dam I dont recall anyone "downplaying" that at all...and besides look what happened to Steve Irwin.

[bantexkaa]

I think it's great that they teach them so early, for many reasons actually... The main reason is that they know what a gun is, and what it can do to people.

Most of the kids playing around with guns, ending shooting themselvs or their buddy, had way less training in handling guns. they don't know how to unload a gun, except for shooting all the bullets out.

[Colzi]

I think it's great that they teach them so early, for many reasons actually... The main reason is that they know what a gun is, and what it can do to people.

Most of the kids playing around with guns, ending shooting themselvs or their buddy, had way less training in handling guns. they don't know how to unload a gun, except for shooting all the bullets out.


So u'd be happy to give that toddler who can barely talk/walk a loaded gun - safe in ur knowledge that the toddler can use a gun! :shock:

I don't know how people can defend this clip the mind boggles

This clip is shocking.

[Frost]

I think it's great that they teach them so early, for many reasons actually... The main reason is that they know what a gun is, and what it can do to people.

Most of the kids playing around with guns, ending shooting themselvs or their buddy, had way less training in handling guns. they don't know how to unload a gun, except for shooting all the bullets out.

You expect me to believe that this child of 2 understands now exactly what a gun is, what it can do to people and how to handle it safely? If that child is that smart at age 2, he should be writing his masters thesis on astrochemistry and biophysics by age 6.

[Makaveli]

if the kid wil always remember doing this then he should be able to remember his father or mother telling him that "if he ever touches the gun or trys to find the gun then he will be in a world of trouble." if you think the kid will remember doing something then you can make him remember not to do something.

i dont feel like going back a quoting everyone but no i wasnt saying that you specificly were saying that he was a redneck or an idiot but alot of other people were saying he was.

another thing is that it shouldnt matter weather the gun is stored in a safe place or is unloaded really. if you teach your kid the rigth way early enough and end all his infatuations with guns then he wont want to go looking for daddys gun and when he does he will know how to check if its loaded and whatnot. i know when i have a house of my own there will be a loaded firearm hidden somewhere in my house that i will be able to get to within 30sec if i need to. and there will be a concealed firearm on my hip 7 days of the week. if you dont like it then thats a good thing, because you wont fuck with me.

[shawmutt]

If that child is that smart at age 2, he should be writing his masters thesis on astrochemistry and biophysics by age 6.

Yes, because the operation of a handgun is the most complex thing I can think of. Hopefully by the time my son is a teenager he'll meet a girl like this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8126577744102094121&q=machine+gun&hl=en

and we'll all go to the range together to plink off a few rounds

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=303514363023272530&q=machine+gun&hl=en

[Makaveli]

If that child is that smart at age 2, he should be writing his masters thesis on astrochemistry and biophysics by age 6.

Yes, because the operation of a handgun is the most complex thing I can think of. Hopefully by the time my son is a teenager he'll meet a girl like this

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8126577744102094121&q=machine+gun&hl=en

and we'll all go to the range together to plink off a few rounds

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=303514363023272530&q=machine+gun&hl=en
shit she got rocked in that first video and that was only a 9mm. lol ive seen 10 year olds take a mp5 full auto better then that. i still wish i could meet a chick like that. (only a little better looking lol) as for that second video, that looks fun. where was that? ohio?

[johnny bravo]

When he grows up to kill his own parents.Everybody will know why.

[Farelli]

i disagree, my dad tought me how to use guns safely and effectively at a young age and i turned out just fine, granted i wasnt a toddler, i was 12 but that baby is still pretty bad ass. you'd think the sound and recoil would scare a little kid like that even with ear protection.

[Dennis]

You ever been robbed at gunpoint??
I have and vowed to myself that would never happen again.

[quote]UncoverReality
I was actually trying to see your point of view, but then you mentioned your 'God given right'. Did 'God' come to you and tell you this personally?

God gave me the abilitiy, skills, knowledge, and the Tools.
If you don't believe in self defence of you and yours.
May god have pity on your poor ignorant soul.

Afraid?? Hell no!! I'm prepared, not afraid,
and I live in very nice upper middle class neighborhood.
With no crime because my neighbors are ALL gun owners.
Redneck, yeah I'm a Redneck and proud of it.
Cause when the shit hits the fan I'll have the TOOLS and means to keep my family safe.
Will you???

[Frost]

if the kid wil always remember doing this then he should be able to remember his father or mother telling him that "if he ever touches the gun or trys to find the gun then he will be in a world of trouble." if you think the kid will remember doing something then you can make him remember not to do something.

So telling a kid not to do something or he'll be in "a world of trouble" ensures he never will? Wow... you could save hundreds of millions of parents any trouble of their kids not listening or behaving by just sharing that little bit of info!

[downunderdave]

We managed to let our kids get over the curiosity of new things even when dangerous by allowing them to feel, play whatever in a controlled way. I don't leave firearms lying around, BUT if I did I know my kids know not to touch them

[synaesthesia.]

i'm sorry but what happens when the baby thinks "oh that was fun with daddy today, i'll go and find his gun" and bang hes dead(he might not be a responsible gun owner and keeps it in a shoe box/drawer).

For one, being a parent myself, that is absolutely no "baby". It's a toddler no less than 2 1/2 years old who (given the way he said "mommy" when the shell flew at the camera) has an albiet limited understanding of instructions. He is obviously very comfortable behind the gun and doesn't cry or try to squirm away in fear. In my opinion, this is a very good sign because I'd rather my kid respect a weapon instead of fearing it.

I agree with the fact that children should be educated about gun safety but you have to accept that even in "controlled" situations accidents happen. In my opinion a child of that age should not be exposed to something like that for the reasons I stated above.

in a controlled situation, -ANYTHING- can happen... with guns, butter knives, cars, fans, grills, toys, forks, hot dogs, asprin, alcohol, entertainment centers, electrical outlets... this is no kooshy world and I think it's ridiculous we try to put fodders on everything. I was having a conversation with a girl who was childless and said she would never let her future children watch a disney movie. when i asked about "Finding Nemo" or "Bambi" her reply was the mother(s) were killed in the movies and that's way too violent. I don't understand that mindset.

About the topic at hand though, you say that the child might find the gun and shoot himself because he may find it in a shoebox? That's equally ludicrous. I would guess by the way the daddy kept his hands on the gun at all times, showed the toddler where the safety was (and I'm sure he went over the importance of the safety..otherwise why would he mention it? we just never see it in the clip), and had his kid in protective gear (though I think he should have been wearing goggles, that's my only grudge... and even this probably has a good reason since 2 year olds are not keen on keeping glasses on their faces) that he's the type of gun owner that owns a gun cabinet... you know, the ones that can't be broken into even if there was a nuclear fallout.

If it were just some backwoods redneck that left the gun in the kid's hands with no gear to protect his ears or no guidance, then I would be more likely to think he's the type of guy who scratches his ass with his pistol and tosses it on the sock drawer.

My father is a gun owner and has been ever since I was born. I have been exposed to guns for as long as I can remember. To this day I can only name a handful of times I've shot his guns, but every single time my dad made sure we respected the weapons from wearing protective gear to not shooting ANYWHERE in the direction of another human, to cleaning the gun and making sure the chamber wasn't loaded before we even thought about carrying it around when we were off-guard.

My brother and I have never gone on a homocidal rampage or used the guns in any type of delinquent act. My mom and dad also made it perfectly clear that if we ever went near the gun cabinet with a thought in our head to open it without their supervision, our asses would be toast. Today I still don't know where they keep the gun cabinet key. The point is though, if you put a gun in my hands to protect my family today, you're damn sure to see me use it properly and without hesitation.

In short, quit with the sensationalism. Quit with "he's just a baby" et al. Getting behind the wheel of a car at 15 is far more dangerous than putting a gun in the hands of a 2 year old in a strictly controlled environment with unwavering supervision.

[Rabid Kimba]

While I'm a member of the National Rifle Association of America, and I do believe teaching younger people the proper way of teaching in handling weapons is a good thing, that kid is waaaaaaaaaay too young, too bloody young, at one point, he almost cried.

I have to give his father thumbs down on that one.

[Frost]

My brother and I have never gone on a homocidal rampage or used the guns in any type of delinquent act.

I must've missed something... was someone arguing that this kid would eventually go on a "homicidal rampage" somewhere? That seems to be the most convenient argument for teaching this kid about guns when he's barely potty trained.

I wasn't taught about guns until I was about 6 or 7, but I'm still here... wierd.. must be some sort of anomoly or something.

[imbeginner]

It is right to let kids learn about guns and gun safety. They are going to get more information about gun on their own anyway because they know guns exist around them.
this is just like sex stuff, if parent don't wanna talk about it, kids search info on their own, maybe from TV, friends.....maybe psychos, who knows.

[imbeginner]

Look at the boy, he is smiling, he is happy being taught by his father.

[justinsull86]

Everyone that is saying these parents are sick or irresponseable is ignorant. Teaching that kid young is the right thing. Him knowing about guns and the safety of guns is going to save himself or his family oneday. I was learning and shooting guns when I 2-3 and I was hunting by 5. You F'in liberals need to learn that guns save lives. If every state were gun friendly we would have less crime and thats a fact.

[Colzi]

Everyone that is saying these parents are sick or irresponseable is ignorant. Teaching that kid young is the right thing. Him knowing about guns and the safety of guns is going to save himself or his family oneday. I was learning and shooting guns when I 2-3 and I was hunting by 5. You F'in liberals need to learn that guns save lives. If every state were gun friendly we would have less crime and thats a fact.


Well ure parents were not right in the head.

Teaching a toddler/kid that the world would be a safer place if everyone had a gun n knew how t use is just mindblowing.

1 U should never have been alowed t see a gun let alone handle one.

2. They should of teached u that guns are wrong and no-one should have them only the army n poilice in certain situations.

Fact is the world would be a better place WITHOUT GUNS (obviously! ) :roll:


Fact is this clip is wrong and kids shouldnt be taught how to use guns- i ask anyone who says teach kids guns n how t kill - would u teach them how to kill a person with a knife! NO so why guns!


Teaching that kid young is the right thing. Him knowing about guns and the safety of guns is going to save himself or his family oneday

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:

[shogoclint]

You ever been robbed at gunpoint??
I have and vowed to myself that would never happen again.

Yeh so you take the law into your own hands do you!? Call the police!

But no go ahead and blow the guy's head off who is robbing you! That will make you the better person wont it.

I got beat up by a gang of thugs a couple of years ago, but i dont walk round with a gun in my bag! :evil:

[Snuff.]

May I first draw the observation that the majority of those railing against guns at this point in time are British. :wink:

The fact is that firearms are alien to us. We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed to associate guns negatively. This is not to say "we have no right to a say in the matter", but statements such as the following:

1 U should never have been alowed t see a gun let alone handle one.

2. They should of teached u that guns are wrong and no-one should have them only the army n poilice in certain situations.

Fact is the world would be a better place WITHOUT GUNS (obviously! )

Yeh so you take the law into your own hands do you!? Call the police!

But no go ahead and blow the guy's head off who is robbing you! That will make you the better person wont it.

are indicative of this.

Disregarding the pragmatics, there is a world of philosophical discourse about firearms. Many would argue that you OWE it to yourself and society to defend yourself.

Britain has had much derogatory media regarding its administrative approach as "Nanny state"-ish. We have a good social welfare system, strong anti-discrimination legislation and an overall liberally-oriented social psyche.

Where does one draw the line? At what point do you step away from the safeguards of the civil structure and rely upon your own intuition?

Many would argue that personal safety and self-defence is where.

What I'm getting at is that the jury is well and truly out on this one. In developed, Western societies this is truly one of the archetype dividing lines between left and right, and there is no correct answer.

[tilster]

there is nothing sick about it. I know many American killed their dog or cat with a pistol at the age of 2, and they go hunting with their parents couple years later.

Will they kill a person? thats a completely different story.
When you made up your mind and decides to kill a person, it doesn't matter it is a knife, or a pistol you are using. Even a pen can do if you decides to kill, thats why we have laws to stop people making the kill decision.

Your kidding right?!? Dog or cat? Dam where are you from? I wont say much here becuase you are either very young or mentally challenged. I just see a trend with these post on how everyone that agrees with this clip sounds completely ignorant. I just dont see how it is seems so important for Americans to bear arms, frontier times yes.

[xljoselx]

[quote]You ever been robbed at gunpoint??
I have and vowed to myself that would never happen again.

ive been robbed at gun point and the cops caught the guy 2 hours later, he went to prison, i got my money back

[xljoselx]

the problem isnt kids learning to use guns, its how easily people can get them ... i talked to a kid from my old ghetto ass neighborhood and there were 2 drive-byes, three people died ( one old lady watering her plants and 2 rival gang members). Im saying that if we never were allowed to have guns in the first place we wouldnt have to worry about protecting our homes with guns from people with guns. I myself protect my house with a crowbar thats under my bed.

hey bob 4 guys are comeing down the street shooting everyone in sight. meh dont worry dan. ive got my crowbar. WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE GORDON FREEMAN! LOL A CROWBAR!

nah its under my bed for when one of the old people from next door or across the street break in at night. if i walk around the street and see fools with guns, my ass is running which gives me a better chance of living than by shooting at them

[moe]

First off he was talking so i dount thank he was 1 or 2 weeks old, and if you teach kids about guns wene there young then there less likely to shoot them selfs or some

Ok crimanals steal, do drugs, rape, murder, and more. Evidently they dount care about the law so if you out lawed guns then what would stop them from still geting them. Then people who do follow the law can't protect themselfs.

[UncoverReality]

UncoverReality
I was actually trying to see your point of view, but then you mentioned your 'God given right'. Did 'God' come to you and tell you this personally?

God gave me the abilitiy, skills, knowledge, and the Tools.
If you don't believe in self defence of you and yours.
May god have pity on your poor ignorant soul.



You never answered my question. I asked you if your God told you all this personally. It's a simple yes or no. I was just trying to understand how you came to your conclusions.

Please spare your God's pity for yourself. I believe the existence of God is a myth. Just my opinion, but those of us that don't believe the world is only a few thousand years old are traditionally not allowed an opinion on religion.

And before you respond with something like, 'How dare you question the existence of my God, let me just say his/her existence is extremely questionable'.

But lets not turn this into a religious argument, even if your God did give you the right to possess and use guns!

[Dennis]

May I first draw the observation that the majority of those railing against guns at this point in time are British. :wink:

The fact is that firearms are alien to us. We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed to associate guns negatively. This is not to say "we have no right to a say in the matter", but statements such as the following:

1 U should never have been alowed t see a gun let alone handle one.

2. They should of teached u that guns are wrong and no-one should have them only the army n poilice in certain situations.

Fact is the world would be a better place WITHOUT GUNS (obviously! )

Yeh so you take the law into your own hands do you!? Call the police!

But no go ahead and blow the guy's head off who is robbing you! That will make you the better person wont it.

are indicative of this.

Disregarding the pragmatics, there is a world of philosophical discourse about firearms. Many would argue that you OWE it to yourself and society to defend yourself.

Britain has had much derogatory media regarding its administrative approach as "Nanny state"-ish. We have a good social welfare system, strong anti-discrimination legislation and an overall liberally-oriented social psyche.

Where does one draw the line? At what point do you step away from the safeguards of the civil structure and rely upon your own intuition?

Many would argue that personal safety and self-defence is where.

What I'm getting at is that the jury is well and truly out on this one. In developed, Western societies this is truly one of the archetype dividing lines between left and right, and there is no correct answer.
Very nicely put.
Would I be correct in that persons raised up in the UK
are taught the negatives not the positives of gun ownership??

[libtech158]

i love the 2nd amendment with all my heart.

[Frost]

It's kind of wierd to see the two sides (being UK and US). Here in Canada, I guess you could say we're in the middle. Certain types of guns are very common (like I said earlier, I own 2), whereas others are banned. But crimes involving firearms are the most rare of all. Occasionally some guy does grab his rifle and use it for something other than hunting or target practice, but the only people up here who are ever killed by illegal guns are gangmembers who are also just as armed.

Now, I live in a small city of about 80,000ppl. But I guarantee that about %75 of us own guns (%99 of them are legal).. yet almost all robberies are at knifepoint. We have a gun related crime maybe once every 12-18 months and rarely is the victim innocent themselves...

[petergriffin]

for all of you people in other countries that say. "omg a gun!" guns are evil" and such. thats what your governtment wants you to think. and by saying that. they have succeeded.




"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed- unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." - James Madison

[Frost]

I kinda like the fact that we're allowed to have some guns but not others...

I'd feel less safe knowing the guy next door had an AK-47 as opposed to say, a .30-06 or a 12-gauge.

[UncoverReality]

for all of you people in other countries that say. "omg a gun!" guns are evil" and such. thats what your governtment wants you to think. and by saying that. they have succeeded.




"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed- unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." - James Madison

"The belief in a God All Powerful wise and good, is so essential to the moral order of the world and to the happiness of man"" - James Madison

Ummmm.....James, if only you could see the world as it is today..... 9/11, 7/7, Israeili/Palestine wars, Northern Ireland, etc. etc. etc.

........I think I'll pass on anything you have to say about the ownership of arms too!

[UncoverReality]

i love the 2nd amendment with all my heart.

Awww.....How cute.

Have you actually read the second amendment? Probably not!

Many intellectuals believe the right to 'bear arms' in 1789 referred to the right to 'serve as a solidier', not to keep or possess arms in the sense today.

What about the right to possess nuclear weapons for personal use. Aren't they considered arms? Well Jim across the road has one so I must be able to protect my family too. It's my right....read the second amendment....it's there in black and white! LOL

[shawmutt]

Ummmm.....James, if only you could see the world as it is today..... 9/11, 7/7, Israeili/Palestine wars, Northern Ireland, etc. etc. etc.

Nothing that has happened over the last five years comes close to what Madison saw before he wrote that.

Awww.....How cute.

Have you actually read the second amendment? Probably not!

I love all the limies that come here and tell US Citizens what our laws mean. We didn't like you telling us how to live 200 years ago and we don't like it now. Go back to Google ya bum.

[Snuff.]

Many intellectuals believe the right to 'bear arms' in 1789 referred to the right to 'serve as a solidier', not to keep or possess arms in the sense today.

Read (Wiki entry):

The Second Amendment...of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, declares the necessity for "a well regulated militia", and prohibits infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".

In which case many intellectuals have read BOTH ASPECTS to the Second Amendment. WTF were you trying to pull with that statement? You insult a member by declaring he probably hasn't read the Second Amendment and then demonstrate your own ignorance by showing that you haven't, either. "Many intellectuals", my hairy left testicle! :lol:

I'm actually surprised old Shawmutt didn't pick up on this before engaging his anti-Limey switch! :lol:

Good to know the membership from both sides of the pond are so well versed in the constitution of this debate. :roll:

[UncoverReality]

Read (Wiki entry):

The Second Amendment...of the United States Constitution, which is part of the Bill of Rights, declares the necessity for "a well regulated militia", and prohibits infringement of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".


Thanks for proving my point. By misquoting the second amendment, I wanted libtech to go straight to wiki and copy & paste. But you got there before him! I don't need to understand or even read the second amendment but those that carry guns in America should. The context and era in which it was written is always ignored.

And as I said, why stop with guns? Get yourself some nukes before the neighbours do! Afterall, its "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".

[UncoverReality]

Ummmm.....James, if only you could see the world as it is today..... 9/11, 7/7, Israeili/Palestine wars, Northern Ireland, etc. etc. etc.

Nothing that has happened over the last five years comes close to what Madison saw before he wrote that.

Awww.....How cute.

Have you actually read the second amendment? Probably not!

I love all the limies that come here and tell US Citizens what our laws mean. We didn't like you telling us how to live 200 years ago and we don't like it now. Go back to Google ya bum.

Ummmm.....James, if only you could see the world as it is today..... 9/11, 7/7, Israeili/Palestine wars, Northern Ireland, etc. etc. etc.

Nothing that has happened over the last five years comes close to what Madison saw before he wrote that.

Awww.....How cute.

Have you actually read the second amendment? Probably not!

I love all the limies that come here and tell US Citizens what our laws mean. We didn't like you telling us how to live 200 years ago and we don't like it now. Go back to Google ya bum.

It's quite funny how you looked at my profile and jumped to the conclusion I was British.

[Snuff.]

Thanks for proving my point. By misquoting the second amendment, I wanted libtech to go straight to wiki and copy & paste. But you got there before him! I don't need to understand or even read the second amendment but those that carry guns in America should. The context and era in which it was written is always ignored.

And as I said, why stop with guns? Get yourself some nukes before the neighbours do! Afterall, its "the right of the people to keep and bear arms".

Shenanigans.

The context of "militia", regardless, has been pretty unwaivering.

[Dennis]

Here ya go folks.
The 2nd Amendment as writen.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1579/lastscanpy0.jpg

[UncoverReality]

Here ya go folks.
The 2nd Amendment as writen.


So Dennis, could you clarify if it is the 2nd amendment or is it God that gives you the right.

I'm confused!

[Dennis]

Both give me the right

[Dennis]

Sense we have so many people here with such a great knowlege of guns.
This is a Browning BT-99

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1545/bt99lo5.jpg
and a Browning Citori XS Skeet

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5017/citorixsskeetwk5.jpg

What do these guns kill??

[UncoverReality]

Both give me the right

Maybe God wrote the Second Amendment? :roll:

[tilster]

Here ya go folks.
The 2nd Amendment as writen.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1579/lastscanpy0.jpg

That was written during the frontier times, typical XXXXX XXXX!!

[shawmutt]

That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.

[tilster]

Hey,

This is more about a baby who cant yet comprehend life or death and is using a firearm.

[jjbrod]

This guy is a Moron and should not have kids. He is retarded and I would slap him silly and call him suzy if I saw him. For all you who do not see what is wrong with this, you are RETARDED also, and I will back slap you too. Wake up XXXXX, the kid is 2 yrs. old, and will probably blow his own head off by the time he is 4 all because daddy is a mental moron.

[Big Ozzie]

Sense we have so many people here with such a great knowlege of guns.
This is a Browning BT-99

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1545/bt99lo5.jpg
and a Browning Citori XS Skeet

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5017/citorixsskeetwk5.jpg

What do these guns kill??

Under NORMAL conditions......Clay Pigeons. But any weapon is capable of killing another human if put in the right hands.
Nice choice of Skeet Shotguns, BTW........some of us do/have shot for sport. Unfortunately, I really cannot afford Golf lessons so I am not going to spend over $2000.00 for one shotgun to shoot pieces of molded soil out of the sky!

[Big Ozzie]

COME ON Peeps! Can't you control your urges to call each other names such as "Idiots" and "Morons"?
I have started to edit out these words as name calling of fellow members is not allowed in General Topic Forums.....ONLY the Fight Room!
If you want to call the person in the video a name, that is fine. BUT keep the object of your name calling restricted to the person or people in the video(s). Just refrain from racial or ethnic degradation!
If you see a series of XXXXX's where there was once a word.....than you know that you have been edited!
..........BIG Ozzie

[petergriffin]

woot big ozzie crackin down on dem fools!

[Makaveli]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it. im tired of people telling us all this information that they pull out of their asses. obviously this was written before frontier times, and he does have a point about that little fact that the constitution can be changed. if your saying that the 2nd amendment should be changed because back then firearms were nothing like they are now then i vote that the first amendment should be changed too because they had no idea the internet, or tv, or radio, or any of that was coming when they gave us the freedom of speech.

let me ask you liberals something that i bet not a single one of you will answer seriously... if you are writing a letter and you mispell a word, do you blame the pen?

[Bishop]

Again, I don't see anything "sick" about it. The child is in a very controlled environment, with ear protection. As a matter of fact, this child will be less likely to have an "accident" if he should come across a gun.

The man looks more like a cop than your stereotypical "redneck", fwiw.

fucking americans

[Dennis]

Ozzie you have that worded wrong.
[quote] put in the right hands [quote]

In the right hands a firearm is totally safe.
In the "wrong" hands they could kill.
Thats why every gun clubs and responsible shooters follow very strict rules.
No alcohol before or during a shoot.
The gun's action must Always be open.
A shell is never chambered of put into your gun untill its your turn to shoot.
If you move from one station to another with a shell in your gun, you will be warned one time only. Do it again, your disqualified and asked to leave. Let it happen more then once, you may even be banned.
No child under the age of 12 may shoot without direct parental supervision.
Never point your loaded gun in any direction other then down range.
Thats just a few of the rules we have.

Also $2000.00 dollars is all I have tied up in both those guns not just one, and they are both sweet shooters.
PS.. Clay Pigeons as in clay.

[Makaveli]

Again, I don't see anything "sick" about it. The child is in a very controlled environment, with ear protection. As a matter of fact, this child will be less likely to have an "accident" if he should come across a gun.

The man looks more like a cop than your stereotypical "redneck", fwiw.

fucking americans
since you like to steriotype, by your avitar ill say [insert speculation here]

[edit: personal attacks removed. -snufftelect]

[bigballer]

damnnnnnn 10 pages long lol

[badboomsxy]

soooo, taking a young daughter into the kitchen and teaching her the skills of cooking and how to properly cut vegtables is wrong too??? riiiiiiiiight! Knives kill people too, but it doesn't mean she will grow up to kill people! teaching a child to handle a gun properly for hunting, target shooting, ect??? what's wrong with that? nothing!

I think the issue is the age of the child. I don't know many parents that would even show a child that age 'how to properly cut vegetables' with a kitchen knife, not to mention a loaded gun.

When the kid is old enough to truly comprehend the consequences associated with the use of guns, then I see nothing wrong with it. But until then, I think a water pistol would be sufficient! Ditto.

[Frost]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it.

Umm.. exactly how did he get "ripped a new one"? He made a point and Shawmutt made a counter-point. If you think that's getting "ripped a new one" then you really need to get out more.

[Brixton]

http://images.apple.com/games/articles/2002/07/sof2/images/gunman.jpg

[shawmutt]

I can only hope my post gets to 10 pages when I post the movie of my son or daughter learning to shoot at 2.

It is a well known phenomena in internet forums that after page five of any thread people start repeating themselves and the topic gets dumbed down exponentially with each following page. If you have anything further to say to me or any other contributors to this thread just go back a couple pages--we probably already answered you.

Sorry about the insults mods.

[tilster]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it. im tired of people telling us all this information that they pull out of their asses. obviously this was written before frontier times, and he does have a point about that little fact that the constitution can be changed. if your saying that the 2nd amendment should be changed because back then firearms were nothing like they are now then i vote that the first amendment should be changed too because they had no idea the internet, or tv, or radio, or any of that was coming when they gave us the freedom of speech.

Pull your head out of your ass, dont take the frontier times thing literally and screw off with the typo calls loser. Again my point to that frankenstien guy on the bike was that this is a baby shooting a firearm. The human brain cannot comprehend death until the age of 8. I just dont see the point. Cant you see how ignorant all the post are that are for this clip?....well......thought so!

let me ask you liberals something that i bet not a single one of you will answer seriously... if you are writing a letter and you mispell a word, do you blame the pen?

[Frost]

I can only hope my post gets to 10 pages when I post the movie of my son or daughter learning to shoot at 2.

It won't. lol

[Makaveli]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it.

Umm.. exactly how did he get "ripped a new one"? He made a point and Shawmutt made a counter-point. If you think that's getting "ripped a new one" then you really need to get out more.
thats all you had to say about my post? lol who dont you answer the question in green?

[shawmutt]

let me ask you liberals something that i bet not a single one of you will answer seriously... if you are writing a letter and you mispell a word, do you blame the pen?

I'm a liberal. I don't blame the pen for a misspelled word. I also haven't used a pen to write a letter in about ten years; I am not afraid or adverse to change and use a computer for my correspondence. F7 handles all my spelling issues.

Now let me ask you a question. Do you honestly believe that liberals have no traditional values?

[Frost]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it.

Umm.. exactly how did he get "ripped a new one"? He made a point and Shawmutt made a counter-point. If you think that's getting "ripped a new one" then you really need to get out more.
thats all you had to say about my post? lol who dont you answer the question in green?

No need to... Shawmutt just did...

I didn't answer it because it wasn't addressed to me.. I'm not liberal! lol

But if you want to deflect my point with something totally irrelevant to what I was saying, I'll just consider it as you have nothing to counter what I said.

If I were to follow your definiton.. then I believe you just got "ripped a new one".

[Makaveli]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it.

Umm.. exactly how did he get "ripped a new one"? He made a point and Shawmutt made a counter-point. If you think that's getting "ripped a new one" then you really need to get out more.
thats all you had to say about my post? lol who dont you answer the question in green?

No need to... Shawmutt just did...

I didn't answer it because it wasn't addressed to me.. I'm not liberal! lol

But if you want to deflect my point with something totally irrelevant to what I was saying, I'll just consider it as you have nothing to counter what I said.

If I were to follow your definiton.. then I believe you just got "ripped a new one".
deflect what point? haha. you were just making fun of me for the wording i used. what am i going to counter with... i do get out enough?

[Frost]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it.

Umm.. exactly how did he get "ripped a new one"? He made a point and Shawmutt made a counter-point. If you think that's getting "ripped a new one" then you really need to get out more.
thats all you had to say about my post? lol who dont you answer the question in green?

No need to... Shawmutt just did...

I didn't answer it because it wasn't addressed to me.. I'm not liberal! lol

But if you want to deflect my point with something totally irrelevant to what I was saying, I'll just consider it as you have nothing to counter what I said.

If I were to follow your definiton.. then I believe you just got "ripped a new one".
deflect what point? haha. you were just making fun of me for the wording i used. what am i going to counter with... i do get out enough?

It didn't simply boil down to wording. It'd be like someone saying "no I disagree" and you yelling out "BURN!" I asked you to explain how he got "ripped a new one" by making a point someone else didn't agree with.

[shawmutt]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it.

Umm.. exactly how did he get "ripped a new one"? He made a point and Shawmutt made a counter-point. If you think that's getting "ripped a new one" then you really need to get out more.
thats all you had to say about my post? lol who dont you answer the question in green?

No need to... Shawmutt just did...

I didn't answer it because it wasn't addressed to me.. I'm not liberal! lol

But if you want to deflect my point with something totally irrelevant to what I was saying, I'll just consider it as you have nothing to counter what I said.

If I were to follow your definiton.. then I believe you just got "ripped a new one".
deflect what point? haha. you were just making fun of me for the wording i used. what am i going to counter with... i do get out enough?

It didn't simply boil down to wording. It'd be like someone saying "no I disagree" and you yelling out "BURN!" I asked you to explain how he got "ripped a new one" by making a point someone else didn't agree with.

http://home.comcast.net/~shawmutt/screaming_baby.gif
NO YOU ARE!

[Frost]

I feel for u and the way u fear life and fear for ure parents safety. U got more chance of killing ureself / or even an intruder killing u with ure own gun :roll:
WOW THATS QUITE A STATEMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO TELL ALL OF US WHERE YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION?


That was written during the frontier times, typical ignorant idiot!!

First off, it was written before "frontier times," XXXXX. Second, if it was no longer applicable it would be changed, like making slaves 3/5ths of a man and the enacting and repealing of prohibition.
ok first off i would like to say you got ripped a new one tilster. and ill add more to it.

Umm.. exactly how did he get "ripped a new one"? He made a point and Shawmutt made a counter-point. If you think that's getting "ripped a new one" then you really need to get out more.
thats all you had to say about my post? lol who dont you answer the question in green?

No need to... Shawmutt just did...

I didn't answer it because it wasn't addressed to me.. I'm not liberal! lol

But if you want to deflect my point with something totally irrelevant to what I was saying, I'll just consider it as you have nothing to counter what I said.

If I were to follow your definiton.. then I believe you just got "ripped a new one".
deflect what point? haha. you were just making fun of me for the wording i used. what am i going to counter with... i do get out enough?

It didn't simply boil down to wording. It'd be like someone saying "no I disagree" and you yelling out "BURN!" I asked you to explain how he got "ripped a new one" by making a point someone else didn't agree with.

http://home.comcast.net/~shawmutt/screaming_baby.gif
NO YOU ARE!

Something's wrong with that pic there Shawmutt... Oh wait! It doesn't have a gun in its hand! What a shame.

[tilster]

Dam I just happened to stumble across this, what happened here?! ha ha Hey Frost, I agree with you dude, my point was that this a baby using a freakin firearm (doesnt that say it all?!), and just how ignorant all the people sound who agree with this clip. (Ill bet the majority of them live wayyy inland ha ha ), anyway we have all gone way off topic. That hillbilly guy on the bike went all off on the constitution.

CYA Frost \m/

[Oni-Neko]

This is ridiculous. I can only read 2 pages of this BS. Everyone is rehashing the same argument over and over.

I know I wouldn't teach a kid that young to fire a gun... not until they understand the concept of death, and the true danger of the weapon will they be able to respect it and handle it safely.

However, I do believe that teaching children about guns and teaching them how to safely handle them can greatly reduce accidental death or injury.

And as for the fascination with guns in america, it's pretty much split down the middle. I personally wish we had never evolved past the sword, shield and bow... but you know what? Criminals prefer unarmed victims. No matter what kind of 'gun control' our government hands down, criminals will still get them.

I'd rather they didn't exist, but since they do we must protect ourselves.

And for all of you that don't even live in this country... why don't you try it sometime? If you lived where I live, you'd feel a reluctant need to protect yourself and your loved ones as well. Don't give me this BS that there's nothing to be afraid of at all. Albeit very little, but tell me you don't believe in owning a gun when some coked up thug kicks your door in to rob your possessions and rape your wife before murdering you.

Sorry to use such coarse language, but that is the harsh reality of the world we live in. I'd much rather splatter his brains then let him 2 feet in my front door.

[Frost]

well I'll be honest and say that I've never been broken into... no one I know has ever been broken into... We don't even lock our doors up here.

Yeah, we have guns... but I'd still feel just as safe without them!

But once again, that was never my argument.. I, just as Oni, think the kid should be older.

[tgd_02]

CAN U SEE ALL OF ME
WALK INTO MY MYSTERY
STEP INSIDE AND HOLD ON FOR DEAR LIFE
DO U REMEMBER ME
CAPTURED YOU OR SET U FREE

[shawmutt]

Something's wrong with that pic there Shawmutt... Oh wait! It doesn't have a gun in its hand! What a shame.

I made her put it away, that's why she's screaming.

This is ridiculous. I can only read 2 pages of this BS. Everyone is rehashing the same argument over and over.

The funniest part of your post is when you rehash the same argument and repeat everything that has already been said in this thread.

[utherme37]

Awesome!This is what every father should teach there children....in my opinion.

[Frost]

Oh man... I was hoping I'd never see this thread again! LOL

[rockerkid08]

look i learned to shoot a 22 pistol when i was 4 that kid is a bit young yes but all you anti gun people are stupid when you live a world full of violence wars , gangs, rapes, roberrys, wouldnt u rather know incase when your son or daughter grows up that their safe teaching at a young age if taught well is a great thing i would feeol better if my daughter knew how to use a pistol incase she ever got in a bad situation but yes i do agree the age is young but it isnt bad it isnt horrible it isnt wrong its an outing that probly doesnt happen every single day do you see human shaped targets the baby is shooting at? do you see anything remotely leaning towards this kid becoming a serial killer? i dont i see a father teaching his kid a safe way to fire a gun i bet you that this isnt an everyday thing i bet you this is the kids first time and i bet you it wont happen everyday or once a week or even once every few months i bet if anything trhat father will take that baby shooting maybe once or twice a year its perfectly fine in my book but you people who freak out probly just live in some political state where all the people want to outlaw guns which i think is idiotic

[Dennis]

May I first draw the observation that the majority of those railing against guns at this point in time are British.

The fact is that firearms are alien to us.
We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed to associate guns negatively.

Maybe there's some washing going on in Canada.

[Frost]

May I first draw the observation that the majority of those railing against guns at this point in time are British.

The fact is that firearms are alien to us.
We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed to associate guns negatively.

Maybe there's some washing going on in Canada.

Doubt it... we all have guns up here too (I have 2 myself).

We don't have assault rifles, fully-automatics, or any other guns that really serves no purpose but to use against other humans.

Handguns are allowed, but they have heavy restrictions. Rifles and shotguns, not so much.

[Dennis]

May I first draw the observation that the majority of those railing against guns at this point in time are British.

The fact is that firearms are alien to us.
We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed to associate guns negatively.

Maybe there's some washing going on in Canada.

Doubt it... we all have guns up here too (I have 2 myself).

We don't have assault rifles, fully-automatics, or any other guns that really serves no purpose but to use against other humans.

Handguns are allowed, but they have heavy restrictions. Rifles and shotguns, not so much.
Only 2 ??
Hell, I got about 25,
I'd have to get the list out to give ya an exact number.
And yes I have acouple of those so called Assault Weapons.
The phrase "Assault Weapon" is Bullshit.
Is this one??
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7080/rugermini14ranch223aa4.jpg
Thats a Ruger Mini 14 Ranch Model in 223cal.
What happens if I put this stock on it and add a 20 or 30 rnd mag??
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/7859/rammini14stkdx2.jpg
It becomes Classed as an Assault Weapon.
If I remember correctly, a Pistol Grip, Extended Magizine,
Flash Suppresser, Bayonet Lug,and some others I can't remember.
If it matches 1 or more of them, Its an Assault Weapon.

[Frost]

Whoa! Calm down bud!

So you have more guns than I do... You're very special. My point was, however, that we're absolutely allowed to have guns, they aren't banned here.

As for the definition of Assault Rifle, you're challenging me as if I wrote the law! If you want to know what the definition of an assault rifle is up here, why don't you look it up and enlighten us.

[Dennis]

Whoa! Calm down bud!

So you have more guns than I do... You're very special. My point was, however, that we're absolutely allowed to have guns, they aren't banned here.

As for the definition of Assault Rifle, you're challenging me as if I wrote the law! If you want to know what the definition of an assault rifle is up here, why don't you look it up and enlighten us.

I'm not challenging you on anything.
I'm only pointing out that the title ' Assault Weapon' is Bull.
I obviously came into that subject to strong,
sorry that wasn't my intention.
I just get so tired of the listening to the anti-gun people and they're rant.

Only trying to show you a point of view
our governments and lots of people don't wanna hear.
As for special, no more then anybody else on this earth.

As a gun owner you probley already known the crap the government
is trying to shove down our throats.

Honestly, do you feel its right for them to
reclass a firearm because of a stock and magizine change?

[Frost]

Whoa! Calm down bud!

So you have more guns than I do... You're very special. My point was, however, that we're absolutely allowed to have guns, they aren't banned here.

As for the definition of Assault Rifle, you're challenging me as if I wrote the law! If you want to know what the definition of an assault rifle is up here, why don't you look it up and enlighten us.

I'm not challenging you on anything.
I'm only pointing out that the title ' Assault Weapon' is Bull.
I obviously came into that subject to strong,
sorry that wasn't my intention.
I just get so tired of the listening to the anti-gun people and they're rant.

Only trying to show you a point of view
our governments and lots of people don't wanna hear.
As for special, no more then anybody else on this earth.

As a gun owner you probley already known the crap the government
is trying to shove down our throats.

Honestly, do you feel its right for them to
reclass a firearm because of a stock and magizine change?

I don't know.. the guns I own are for hunting only. I don't really need an M-16 or AK-47 to do that. Not only does it not bother me that those particular guns are prohibited, but I can honestly say I feel safer that way.

Now, where I live, we have a firearm related assault or murder once every 2-3 years. Now it also helps that there are only 100,000 people in this city.

I absolutely believe in the right to have firearms. I just don't think Uzis and sawed-off shotguns are necessary by any means.

[Dennis]

I'm surprized that a city of 100,00 has such a low rate of gun violence.
Maybe you don't have the illegal drug problem we do.
My towns about 40,000 and there's a gun related crime about 4-6 times a year, a high percent are drug related.

Full auto weapons, sure the Military should have um,
maybe even the Police. Definitely not the general public.
If anyone wants to shoot full auto??
Go here...
The Knob Creek Gun Range in Westpoint, KY.
on April 13, 14, and 15th of 2007.
They host World's Largest Machine Gun Shoot and Military Gun Show twice a year. Once in April and the other in October. This event is a must see for any gun enthusiast, showcasing full auto military weapons from around the World.
Not on our city streets.

[Frost]

We do have an illegal drug problem, but yeah, I wouldn't say it's a very major one. As far as petty crimes go, I'd say %90 of robberies are done at knife point, and the other 10% are done with no weapon at all.

Bottom line, there's nowhere to buy weapons off the street here. And it's not easy sneaking them across the border, which I'm sure would make them super expensive to the would-be criminal. You can legally have a handgun, but there not as easy to get and criminals obviously wouldn't want a registered firearm.

Rifles and shotguns aren't as easy to hide, and you can't really do a drive by with a bolt-action rifle.

[Dennis]

you can't really do a drive by with a bolt-action rifle.

:lol: Maybe if they drove really slow. :D

I sorry I know this is a serious subject.
But just picture in your mind,
some gang bangers doing a drive by with a bolt action :lol:

[Frost]

lol, trust me.. I've pictured it many times..

[Glock18C]

i think we should kill all the people bitching about how bad guns are with knives just to spite them and then we won't have to hear them bitch so much...i swear they are like knats..soo annoying
i wish they would just go smoke some weed and eat some tofu at one of their gay weddings and leave us alone lol
do i win for most conservative response?

[Dennis]

i think we should kill all the people bitching about how bad guns are with knives just to spite them and then we won't have to hear them bitch so much...i swear they are like knats..soo annoying
i wish they would just go smoke some weed and eat some tofu at one of their gay weddings and leave us alone lol
do i win for most conservative response?

Then they'll want to ban knives.
What you going to cut your steak with after that.

[jaba]

What if....the kid turns round fast and shoots daddy and giggles then shoots mummy holding the camera?
What if....hahaha :wink:

[Frost]

i think we should kill all the people bitching about how bad guns are with knives just to spite them and then we won't have to hear them bitch so much...i swear they are like knats..soo annoying
i wish they would just go smoke some weed and eat some tofu at one of their gay weddings and leave us alone lol
do i win for most conservative response?

That was neither mildly intelligent nor mildly funny.

[Dennis]

What if....the kid turns round fast and shoots daddy and giggles then shoots mummy holding the camera?
What if....hahaha :wink:
I must reply to this feeble attempt at humor with a quote.

That was neither mildly intelligent nor mildly funny.
Now as to the mental ability
of a person who says something like the above.
Another quote

We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed
It appears they used too much bleach or left yours on spin too long.

[Frost]

What if....the kid turns round fast and shoots daddy and giggles then shoots mummy holding the camera?
What if....hahaha :wink:
I must reply to this feeble attempt at humor with a quote.

That was neither mildly intelligent nor mildly funny.
Now as to the mental ability
of a person who says something like the above.
Another quote

We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed
It appears they used too much bleach or left yours on spin too long.

Who? Me or Jaba?

[Dennis]

What if....the kid turns round fast and shoots daddy and giggles then shoots mummy holding the camera?
What if....hahaha :wink:
I must reply to this feeble attempt at humor with a quote.

That was neither mildly intelligent nor mildly funny.
Now as to the mental ability
of a person who says something like the above.
Another quote

We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed
It appears they used too much bleach or left yours on spin too long.

Who? Me or Jaba?

Jabas been on spin to long

[jaba]

What if....the kid turns round fast and shoots daddy and giggles then shoots mummy holding the camera?
What if....hahaha :wink:
I must reply to this feeble attempt at humor with a quote.

That was neither mildly intelligent nor mildly funny.
Now as to the mental ability
of a person who says something like the above.
Another quote

We have grown up in a society where we are essentially brainwashed
It appears they used too much bleach or left yours on spin too long.

Who? Me or Jaba?

Jabas been on spin to longDont worry Dennis! Did my little scenario touch a nerve? Would you be so gun crazy if such an action/accident happened? This is a forum Dennis all about crazy videos and crazy people. Go grow a great big massive mustache fella! :P

[Dennis]

No need to Jaba.
Had one 20 years ago, didn't work for me.
Besides the wife likes my beard,
it tickles in all the right places.

[whocaresrly]

I'm surprised how many people here actually dont care for killing pets/animal, and take it as some sort of learning steps for hunting later on. I do see a purpose for hunting, and I'm not an animal activist or whatever, but seriously, what the fuck. So you blow up your cat/dog/parrot because you can? Because it's "fun"? I'll keep that in mind next time a terrorist kills an american.

[shogoclint]

No need to Jaba.
Had one 20 years ago, didn't work for me.
Besides the wife likes my beard,
it tickles in all the right places.

Cool. :twisted:

[jaba]

Fool :P

[shawmutt]

Quailtard.

[shogoclint]

Gonads! :P

[jaba]

Quailtard.Who me?

http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/yourchild/guns.htm

[shawmutt]

I'm surprised how many people here actually dont care for killing pets/animal, and take it as some sort of learning steps for hunting later on. I do see a purpose for hunting, and I'm not an animal activist or whatever, but seriously, what the fuck. So you blow up your cat/dog/parrot because you can? Because it's "fun"? I'll keep that in mind next time a terrorist kills an american.

Don't be a quailtard. That whole statement is pretty ignorant.

Quailtard.Who me?

http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/yourchild/guns.htm

Nah, that's just my new favorite word.

And, FWIW:

Road traffic injuries are a major but neglected public health challenge that requires concerted efforts for effective and sustainable prevention. Of all the systems with which people have to deal every day, road traffic systems are the most complex and the most dangerous. Worldwide, an estimated 1.2 million people are killed in road crashes each year and as many as 50 million are injured. Projections indicate that these figures will increase by about 65% over the next 20 years unless there is new commitment to prevention. Nevertheless, the tragedy behind these figures attracts less mass media attention than other, less frequent types of tragedy.

The World report on road traffic injury prevention is the first major report being jointly issued by the World Health Organization (WHO) and the World Bank on this subject. It underscores their concern that unsafe road traffic systems are seriously harming global public health and development. It contends that the level of road traffic injury is unacceptable and that it is largely avoidable.


I'll give up my car before I give up my guns.

[Glock18C]

i think we should kill all the people bitching about how bad guns are with knives just to spite them and then we won't have to hear them bitch so much...i swear they are like knats..soo annoying
i wish they would just go smoke some weed and eat some tofu at one of their gay weddings and leave us alone lol
do i win for most conservative response?

That was neither mildly intelligent nor mildly funny.

well if you didn't find that mildly funny you must be completely liberal....or gay...or a pothead ...or a tofu lover?

[Frost]

i think we should kill all the people bitching about how bad guns are with knives just to spite them and then we won't have to hear them bitch so much...i swear they are like knats..soo annoying
i wish they would just go smoke some weed and eat some tofu at one of their gay weddings and leave us alone lol
do i win for most conservative response?

That was neither mildly intelligent nor mildly funny.

well if you didn't find that mildly funny you must be completely liberal....or gay...or a pothead ...or a tofu lover?

must be

[jaba]

Shawmutt wrote...

I'll give up my car before I give up my guns.

Nice bike there fella! :D

[libtech158]

guns dont kill people. i kill people.

[whocaresrly]

For no reason my post got deleted? And yet he is allowed to call me a quailtard?

[shawmutt]

For no reason my post got deleted? And yet he is allowed to call me a quailtard?

OMG!!!!111oneone!!11 Somebody call the whaaaaaaaaaambulance!!!

[shogoclint]

So what is a quailtard anyway? Sounds like some kind of fish based meal.

[Dennis]

quailtard

Quailtard is a word combining "Quail," a mid-sized game bird of the pheasant family, and "tard," a contraction of the noun "retard," an often offensive word used to describe the mentally challenged, or retarded. First used on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart]. The word was used in humorous reference to the farm-raised quail released for hunting by Vice President, Dick Cheney, and others on Katharine Armstrong's south Texas ranch. On February 11, 2006, while hunting these quail, Cheney accidentally shot hunting companion, Harry M. Whittington, a lawyer from Austin, TX, with his 28 gauge shotgun from a reported distance of thirty yards.