You know you've fucked with the wrong people when...

[Snuff.]

..you're an ex-KGB agent dying of radiation poisoning in a Sushi bar in Soho, London:

Alexander Litvinenko, a former KGB lieutenant-colonel who was investigating into the death of Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya, was released by his family Monday 20 November 2006. It was taken at University Hospital, where Litvinenko died Thursday night 23 November 2006, a spokesman for the clinic said on British broadcaster BBC. Litvinenko fell ill after meeting an Italian KGB expert in a sushi bar near London's Piccadilly Cirus. EPA/

MOSCOW, Russia- Despite a penned letter accusing Russian president Vladimir Putin of murder from the victim himself, poisoned former Russian spy Alexander Litvinenko, new theories are being presented.

The pro-government media and key emigres outside of Russia are posing the idea that a bitter domestic power struggle also responsible for the murder of journalist Anna Politkovskaya last month was the culprit.

The theory is gaining in credibility with opponents of President Vladimir Putin living abroad and some of his supporters inside England and Russia.

Reuters reports that "Litvinenko, an ex-KGB spy, died in London on Thursday night after a three-week agony as his hair fell out, his body wasted away and internal organs failed. Doctors found traces of polonium 210, a deadly radioactive substance, in his body."

"We hate Putin. The man is loathsome. But he is not stupid enough to have ordered the death of Litvinenko in such a slow and public way," an influential anonymous Russian emigre told Reuters.

"The people who carried out this killing planned it extremely well," he added. "They knew that Litvinenko would die slowly and painfully and that this would cause a big outcry. If Putin had wanted to kill Litvinenko, do you really believe he would do it like this?"

Russian newspapers also squashed theories of Putin's involvement. "This chain of events plays right into the hands of those who would wish to compromise Russia in the world arena," wrote the daily Komsomolskaya Pravda.

Litvinenko directly accused Putin of ordering his death.

"Sasha (Litvinenko) was violently anti-Putin," one Russian emigre told Reuters news service. "We respect what he said but we don't believe he's right."

Litvinenko's murder is on the heels of the murdered Anna Politkovskaya, an outspoken critic of Putin, was shot execution style in her Moscow apartment building on Putin's birthday.

Pravda quoted Putin's aide on EU relations Sergei Yastrzhembsky as saying: "One cannot help being alarmed by the deliberately pin-point deaths of people coinciding with international events in which Putin takes part."

"These are well-orchestrated plans to discredit the Russian state and its leadership."

As the political temperature rises ahead of the elections, the anonymous Russian emigres predict to the news wire service "more sudden and violent deaths of well-known Putin opponents."

SOURCE (http://people.monstersandcritics.com/article_1226303.php/Litvinenkos_murder_Murky_waters)

[jaba]

Nobody knows..how he was contaminated yet - doubt it was death from sushi. It's like the good old days again

[Snuff.]

Nobody knows..how he was contaminated yet - doubt it was death from sushi. It's like the good old days again

*AHEM*

"Doctors found traces of polonium 210, a deadly radioactive substance, in his body."

Radiation poisoning. :wink:

Polonium is a highly radioactive and toxic element and is very difficult to handle. Even in milligram or microgram amounts, handling polonium-210 is extremely dangerous, requiring specialized equipment and strict handling procedures. Alpha particles emitted by polonium material are absorbed by the body and will damage organic tissue easily if ingested or absorbed (though they do not penetrate the epidermis and hence are not hazardous if the polonium is outside the body).

A lethal dose of 10 sieverts, or about 525 microcuries, weighs just 12 millionths of a gram. A cube of pure polonium 210 about the size of the period at the end of this sentence—only 0.35 mm wide and weighing just 400 micrograms—would still be 3,370 times the lethal dose. (Calculations based on a committed effective dose equivalent (CEDE) of 5.14×10−7 sieverts per becquerel (1.9×103 mrem/microcurie) for ingested 210Po and a specific activity of 1.66×1014 Bq/gram (4.49×103 curies/gram)[4].)

The maximum allowable body burden for ingested polonium is only 1,100 becquerels (0.03 microcurie), which is equivalent to a particle weighing only 6.8 × 10-12 gram. Weight for weight, polonium is approximately 2.5 × 1011 times as toxic as hydrogen cyanide. The maximum permissible concentration for airborne soluble polonium compounds is about 7,500 Bq/m3 (2 × 10-11 µCi/cm3). The biological halflife of Polonium in humans is 30 to 50 days.

Or alternatively:

Nasty shit.

[jaba]

How he was contaminated...could have been anywhere. I bet the sushi bar will close down soon though regardless. :wink:

[Snuff.]

How he was contaminated...could have been anywhere. I bet the sushi bar will close down soon though regardless. :wink:

Aah, I gotcha.

He was undoubtdly poisoned. Yes: they found traces of it wherever HE went, but he excreting the shit in his urine and nobody else has been poisoned, the former thus hinting at ingestion and the latter ruling outair-borne poisoning. There is no way polonium can penetrate the epidermis, and unless they brought enough to evacuate the entirity of Central London their is no way it was an external source of radiation that did this to him.

[Frost]

And who could forget Viktor Yushchenko before and after?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/05/yushchenko3_wideweb__430x287.jpg

[longbob]

And who could forget Viktor Yushchenko before and after?

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/12/05/yushchenko3_wideweb__430x287.jpg

On the bright side - at least the bags under his eyes are less prominant now :twisted:

Longbob.

[Colzi]

Dont ever fuck with the KGB!

One wrong move n ure fooked.

Alexander Litvinenko-Docs came out n said it was this poison -couple of days later Doc came out n said erm it may not be!

KGB been round the Docs house ? Wouldnt suprise me! SCARY

[Frost]

It's the FSB now isn't it?

[Snuff.]

It's the FSB now isn't it?

Indeed it is.

And I've heard it rumoured on both occasions listed above the Russian Mob are just as likely candidates as the FSB.

Even Putin, as evil a fuck as he may be, is pretty unlikely to have someone offed as blatantly as this latest scenario.

[Frost]

And I've heard it rumoured on both occasions listed above the Russian Mob are just as likely candidates as the FSB.

What is it they have to gain from this?

[Snuff.]

And I've heard it rumoured on both occasions listed above the Russian Mob are just as likely candidates as the FSB.

What is it they have to gain from this?

Russian Mob have always been in bed with the FSB and corporate Russia. It's more the circumstances of this death that point towards Russian mob -- highly publicised and exotic, in other words a heavy warning to all.

The other possibility is that Chechnyan rebels are at the root of it.

[Frost]

The other possibility is that Chechnyan rebels are at the root of it.

That makes even less sense though.. if this guy's generally labelled an enemy of the state, why would Chechens want to eliminate him?

I don't believe the old "the enemy of my enemy is my enemy" would apply here..

[Snuff.]

Apologies, dunno why I put "rebels". :? I meant pro-Russian Chechnyans.

[Frost]

Apologies, dunno why I put "rebels". :? I meant pro-Russian Chechnyans.

Ah, ok.. that makes a bit more sense

[DandruffBGone]

And I've heard it rumoured on both occasions listed above the Russian Mob are just as likely candidates as the FSB.

What is it they have to gain from this?

Russian Mob have always been in bed with the FSB and corporate Russia. It's more the circumstances of this death that point towards Russian mob -- highly publicised and exotic, in other words a heavy warning to all.

The other possibility is that Chechnyan rebels are at the root of it.

Abramoff is part of all this isn't he? (Anyone with that kind of serious money can't possibly be straight is my thinking).

[Colzi]

It's the FSB now isn't it?




Thier still casting their net - could still be KGB. :?

[Frost]

Hmm... so if the KGB was the equivalent of the CIA or MI6, and... the GRU is the equivalent of the FBI or MI5...

Then what's the FSB?

[Snuff.]

Hmm... so if the KGB was the equivalent of the CIA or MI6, and... the GRU is the equivalent of the FBI or MI5...

Then what's the FSB?

This is why you can't talk about Russia...because you CAN'T.

Right after I wrote that Russian mob theory, I thought "well, where does the dividing line fall between the Russian mob and Russian corporates? And on that nothe the Kremlin, the KGB, the FSB, the GRU etc.?

I think perhaps this could holistically speaking explain how the fuck Russian nationals can die in Western countries from rare, radioactive isotopes. :wink:

[Frost]

Hmm... so if the KGB was the equivalent of the CIA or MI6, and... the GRU is the equivalent of the FBI or MI5...

Then what's the FSB?

This is why you can't talk about Russia...because you CAN'T.

Right after I wrote that Russian mob theory, I thought "well, where does the dividing line fall between the Russian mob and Russian corporates? And on that nothe the Kremlin, the KGB, the FSB, the GRU etc.?

I think perhaps this could holistically speaking explain how the fuck Russian nationals can die in Western countries from rare, radioactive isotopes. :wink:

yeah.. sorry, you lost me snuff..

[MontysDouble]

This just in: The Kremlin has named scapegoats.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7048597.stm


Charges in Russia reporter murder

Politkovskaya's reports exposed alleged abuses of power by officials
Russian prosecutors say a total of nine people, including a security service official, have been charged over the murder of reporter Anna Politkovskaya.

Last month, a former Chechen politician was charged with being an accomplice in the murder. Ten suspects were arrested in August, two of whom were then freed.

Russia's Interfax news agency quoted a source close to the investigation as saying Lt Col Pavel Ryaguzov from the Federal Security Service was among those charged.

Kremlin 'interference'

Chief prosecutor Yuri Chaika said at the time that among the suspects were serving and former security officers and that their ringleader was a Chechen gang boss.

At least two suspects have since been released.


Mr Chaika said there were indications that the murder plot had been masterminded abroad with a view to discrediting the Kremlin.I smell disinformation.

Her former colleagues at Moscow newspaper Novaya Gazeta accused Kremlin hardliners of interfering in the murder investigation after a lead prosecutor in the case was replaced in September.And there's a nice assumption to build upon.

[Friendless]

You know you've fucked with the wrong person when you piss them off and they burn your precious fucking car to a crisp while your sleeping.

[Friendless]

When you have spent the last 3 and a half years with a woman you love dearly, only to find out she is going to move back in with the ex husband that use to beat her and the kids.