The "FIVE of CLUBS" looses his Head at Hanging!

[Big Ozzie]

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BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Two of Saddam Hussein's aides were hanged before dawn on Monday, the Iraqi government said, admitting that the head of his half-brother Barzan Ibrahim al-Tikriti was also ripped from his body during the execution.
On the defensive after international uproar over sectarian taunts during the illicitly filmed hanging of the ousted president two weeks ago, government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh insisted there was "no violation of procedure" during the executions of Barzan and former judge Awad Hamed al-Bander.
But defense lawyers and politicians from Saddam's once dominant Sunni Arab minority expressed fury at the fate of Barzan, Saddam's once feared intelligence chief, and there was also skepticism and condemnation of Iraq's Shi'ite-dominated government across the mostly Sunni-ruled Arab world
"The convicts were not subjected to any mistreatment," Dabbagh said describing the beheading by the rope as a rare mishap. "Their rights were not violated. There was no chanting."
Government adviser Bassam al-Husseini said the damage to the body was "an act of God." During his trial for crimes against humanity over the killings of 148 Shi'ites from Dujail, a witness said Barzan's agents put people in a meat grinder.
The treatment of corpses is a particularly sensitive issue in Muslim culture. Video footage of Saddam's body lying on a trolley showed what appeared to be a wound on his throat.
Hangmen gauge the length of rope needed to snap the neck of the condemned but not to create enough force to sever the head.Saleem al-Jibouri, a senior Sunni Arab member of parliament, told Reuters Barzan's body may have been weakened by the cancer he was suffering: "But we have doubts and we want to ask experts and doctors if it's possible the head can come off," he said.
Barzan's son-in-law hurled a sectarian insult at the government on pan-Arab Al Jazeera television: "As for ripping off his head, this is the grudge of the Safavids," he said -- a historical term referring to Shi'ite ties to non-Arab Iran
"They have only came to Iraq for revenge," Azzam Salih Abdullah said from Yemen. "May God curse this democracy."
The hangings took place at 3 a.m. (00:00 GMT) at the same former secret police base where Saddam was hanged on December 30, an adviser to Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said. Officials tried to impose a media blackout for some hours but word leaked out.

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[Crossbones]

Nice...BURN MOTHA FUCKA!

[Colzi]

I hope he did.

One thing that pissed me off since Saddams hanging , n this 5 o clubs hanging, is over hear, on the news nothing but Oh thats a shame, why did this happe,n was this right, blah blah blah both deserved death , hanging -they got off far too lightly!

[jaba]

I hope he did.
One thing that pissed me off since Saddams hanging , n this 5 o clubs hanging, is over hear, on the news nothing but Oh thats a shame, why did this happe,n was this right, blah blah blah both deserved death , hanging -they got off far too lightly!
What would you suggest Colzi?
Most of the European opinion you mention is against capital punishment and the mess these idiots made of the hangings only makes opinions against it stronger. We can learn more from these arseholes when they are alive and make them suffer in abject humiliation just as they did to others when they were in power. Don't forget the hands of Blair and Bush have blood on them too - it goes with their jobs! :wink:

[That Dude]

If the head came off, the rope was probably too thin and he probably fell too long. It would have turned it from rope to razor wire in a condition like that. An accident, probably, but it still seems like a very improbable occurance.

[Gabrielle]

Thats no more horrific than the many people who suffered their heads to be sawed off with a knife. At least for him it happened quickly.

[Colzi]

Thats no more horrific than the many people who suffered their heads to be sawed off with a knife. At least for him it happened quickly.


Exactly! Im not saying bring back hanging , but please people get a grip HE WAS A TYRANT THAT KILLED THOUSANDS AND DAMAGED THOUSANDS O LIVES .

[Josh85]

pwned.. one one.

[jaba]

Keep on receding back to days of old and we could have them hung drawn and quartered then their heads put on display for all to see!
I think those who would have this shit on their TV as a form of entertainment are no better than these radical, fundamentalist arseholes who have their women walk ten paces behind them or throw stones at adulterers! Fuck even Nuremberg kept things hidden from public view.
The world is full of sick bastards.

[Josh85]

Keep on receding back to days of old and we could have them hung drawn and quartered then their heads put on display for all to see!
I think those who would have this shit on their TV as a form of entertainment are no better than these radical, fundamentalist arseholes who have their women walk ten paces behind them or throw stones at adulterers! Fuck even Nuremberg kept things hidden from public view.
The world is full of sick bastards.

If there was a video of this "botched hanging" no filecabi. You can bet I would watch it.

[jaba]

Keep on receding back to days of old and we could have them hung drawn and quartered then their heads put on display for all to see!
I think those who would have this shit on their TV as a form of entertainment are no better than these radical, fundamentalist arseholes who have their women walk ten paces behind them or throw stones at adulterers! Fuck even Nuremberg kept things hidden from public view.
The world is full of sick bastards.

If there was a video of this "botched hanging" no filecabi. You can bet I would watch it.
Lol@Josh - you know what this means then dude?

[Josh85]

Keep on receding back to days of old and we could have them hung drawn and quartered then their heads put on display for all to see!
I think those who would have this shit on their TV as a form of entertainment are no better than these radical, fundamentalist arseholes who have their women walk ten paces behind them or throw stones at adulterers! Fuck even Nuremberg kept things hidden from public view.
The world is full of sick bastards.

If there was a video of this "botched hanging" no filecabi. You can bet I would watch it.
Lol@Josh - you know what this means then dude?

I'm a sick bastard? :(

[That Dude]

Keep on receding back to days of old and we could have them hung drawn and quartered then their heads put on display for all to see!
I think those who would have this shit on their TV as a form of entertainment are no better than these radical, fundamentalist arseholes who have their women walk ten paces behind them or throw stones at adulterers! Fuck even Nuremberg kept things hidden from public view.
The world is full of sick bastards.

If there was a video of this "botched hanging" no filecabi. You can bet I would watch it.
Lol@Josh - you know what this means then dude?

I'm a sick bastard? :(

You've been grouped with the best of us, don't you worry.

[Cymru am byth]

I hope he did.
One thing that pissed me off since Saddams hanging , n this 5 o clubs hanging, is over hear, on the news nothing but Oh thats a shame, why did this happe,n was this right, blah blah blah both deserved death , hanging -they got off far too lightly!
What would you suggest Colzi?
Most of the European opinion you mention is against capital punishment and the mess these idiots made of the hangings only makes opinions against it stronger. We can learn more from these arseholes when they are alive and make them suffer in abject humiliation just as they did to others when they were in power. Don't forget the hands of Blair and Bush have blood on them too - it goes with their jobs! :wink:

keeping them incarcerated would have just cost money. if the crime (premeditated murder, genocide etc) is in no doubt what so ever i am in favour of capital punishment. also castration for rapists and kiddie fiddlers and public humiliation for petty criminals such as bringing back the birch for little bastards, ASBO's don't work, they treat them as a status symbol, if they were birched in the main street of their home town on a saturday afternoon they would think twice about behaving like it again

[jaba]

We shall be back in the Dark Ages if we carry on like this lol.

http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e42/jabathut/111.jpghttp://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e42/jabathut/11.jpg

Here's a few more pics from Abu Ghraib prison if you need them. This is what happens to people in modern days 'occasionally' and I will always be against such actions in the name of one's community, country or religion.

http://www.smh.com.au/ftimages/2006/02/15/1139890768716.html

[Big Ozzie]

Jabba....
Unless you have been living under a rock, I am quite sure that we all have seen the photos of the atrocities that went on at Abu Ghraib.
As well as the many that went on in Europe at the hands of the Germans and Italians. Lest we forget, what about what happened in Burma and the Pacific at the hands of BOTH sides of the combatants.
Going back through the ages ALL of the countries (with the exception of very few) in the World have contributed to the atrocities committed to our fellow man.
This, I am afraid will never change.
Fortunately, these acts are performed by the few and not the many. Most of the world does look down on what has happened here and elsewhere both in contemporary conflicts and in the past.
Behavior like this will not be tolerated and will serve only to have the participants punished as was done and is being done with these soldiers that were in charge of these prisoners.
It does not matter if you are a prison guard or a teacher, a Priest or President....people are being held responsible for their actions of inhumanity to their fellow man.
Some of whom have paid the price with their life!

[jaba]

My point was to show a modern 'inhumanity' on the other side of the fence so to speak.
The fact that you support capital punishment and I don't has little to do with how people gloat over such inhuman treatments of others. I just thought I would give the gloaters something else to look at.

[Josh85]

I did not want to see that.

-puts my sandwich down again-

:(

[scrape98]

filecabi should have representitives with cameras on scene whenever anything possibly entertaining like this goes down. you guys are losing your edge, youre dropping the ball. :lol:

[DandruffBGone]

Thankfully those people were prosecuted Jaba. That is not legal behaviour.

Give bullies inordinate power and they will bully, no matter what or who they are.

[Monstermash]

[quote="cymru am byth keeping them incarcerated would have just cost money. if the crime (premeditated murder, genocide etc) is in no doubt what so ever i am in favour of capital punishment. also castration for rapists and kiddie fiddlers and public humiliation for petty criminals such as bringing back the birch for little bastards, ASBO's don't work, they treat them as a status symbol, if they were birched in the main street of their home town on a saturday afternoon they would think twice about behaving like it again[/quote]

Agree with a lot you said there. Birchingis a good idea, ASBO's are like medals to these little tykes, they deservce a damn good beating, I believe corporal punishment should be brought back in schools as well.

However, I don't agree that capital punishment should be brought back. I think of that black guy in the green mile when he goes to execution and he's innocent. I don't like the idea of someone going to their death and being innocent and there has been too many cases of injustice and cops being put under so much pressure to get a result they either rush the job and capture the wrong person or tucks them up (frames them) and once you kill an innocent person well that's it. I admit that I was one of the 'sicky bastards'who watched the saddam neck stretching video (sorry Jaba, I liked a lot of your comments too dude) but if there was a referendum tomorrow on whether capital punishment should be brought back, I would vote 'No' (I don't think the UK governement has the balls to do that though) I keep thinking of the innocent person, a minority I admit, going to their deaths and being innocent. I don't like the idea of that at all. :(

[zildjianx3]

I dont see the fuss....These assholes got what they deserved. 8)

[Monstermash]

On a much more serious point though, does Iraq have a football team and if they do maybe they could use the 'five of clubs' head as a football, make good use of it :P

[jaba]

On a much more serious point though, does Iraq have a football team and if they do maybe they could use the 'five of clubs' head as a football, make good use of it :P
You mean like the Taliban did in Kabul Stadium, Afghanistan? Or maybe that was another vicious rumour? :mrgreen:

[fasterspider]

Where is the video of his head popping off?

[Snuff.]

On the subject of torture and specifically why the media latched onto it in such a big way - Extraordinary Rendition.

Whereas many offences committed in past times have been somewhat "below the radar", the CIA actually pursues an open policy (known as Extraordinary Rendition) in which it kidnaps and tortures those deemed suspect.

It will fly them to "friendly" countries such as Uzbekistan and have them tortured, and the opening of Guantanamo was the end result of this program - operated on a much wider scale since 9/11.

This is known policy, and while European countries most probably haven't pressed the issue as hard as they could, we still wait upon America to decide whether this is acceptable or not.