Sad Story of the Hmong refugees Hunted and tortured - Gore

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Sad Story of the Hmong refugees Hunted and tortured - Gore (http://www.filecabi.net/video/HMONG_refugees.html)

[PHXSUNSR#1]

That's awful, nothing funny about this video. Except for the fact that they want "The Leaders" to help them, I hope they aren't referring to the United States Government, cause that is the last thing we need to dip our nose into..unless they have valuable resources of course, then it's an exception. Ain't that how it works?

[asdf]

Damn @ the eviscerated kid that was still alive. :eek:

[foreverspeed1984]

This is outrageous, unacceptable act of human being. What give a right for them to hunt and kill another human being?Hmong people are poor and helpless but it doesn't mean they don't have a right to live and be happy! and of course this is a really good chance for the USA bomb the shit out of the Laos and Viets.

[pete24]

I don't know if you understand that the "Hmong's" was recruited by the US Govt{hence} CIA. to help aid the American Soldiers in the Vietnam War.... So, by doing so....the AMERICANS fleeded and lefted them defenseless and now their getting slaughter/ hunt down to be annihilated; So, when they mean "LEADERS"!!! they mean "US (american people and the american Govt)".... to help stop the slaughtering of their people.... is that to much to ask??? since it is the United States fault....

[yodeling_Yoda]

we left them there to die.

every 2~3 years we get another reminder from BBC or 60 minutes that these people are still dying and being hunted down by the vietnam soliders, but because the US government doesn't want to handle historical trash of the vietnam war again no administration is going to do anything for these people.

one of the darkest chapter in the United states history, and the book will finish when everyone of these refugee are dead.

[Firep0w3r]

I don't know if you understand that the "Hmong's" was recruited by the US Govt{hence} CIA. to help aid the American Soldiers in the Vietnam War.... So, by doing so....the AMERICANS fleeded and lefted them defenseless and now their getting slaughter/ hunt down to be annihilated; So, when they mean "LEADERS"!!! they mean "US (american people and the american Govt)".... to help stop the slaughtering of their people.... is that to much to ask??? since it is the United States fault....


Damn right. You are right on the money. We did it to them, we should be responsible of taking care of them. In the 'Nam they trusted us as did the Montagnard, only to get the shaft later.

[brownbearclan]

Wow unbelievable...the entire condition of the human race has not caught up with today's technology. We are able to send people into space and have achieved so much and so many great things, yet we haven't been able to stop human suffering and the destruction of our planet.

The saddest part about all of this is that something CAN be done, it just WON'T because of greed and political agendas. :(

But I guess all the average person can do, is maybe post these vids and get the word out and try to help give a voice to these people who have none. Props to Filecabi for pointing stuff out like this and helping make it known to all the people who might be unaware of it. :)

[Cliffy1013]

I only pray that one day these days that these people will one day get their revenge. These soliders should be done away with like what hitler did with the jews. Put them all in one god damn big hole and let the scientist do their work. These are the people that given the chance would in heaven for working a tim hortons getting paid $2 an hour and having to pay $20000000 for rent a month if only given the opportunity. Man that kid is a fighter, I wonder how long he lived afterwards... thats insane. I'm almost pissed off at the fact that I'm of the same species? as these soliders people...I'd love to see the shoe on the other foot.

[Morb]

Is it just me that caught the boobs at 04:26?

[ICE420]

Very disturbing, and something i had no idea about until now:eek7: .

And i worry about how much yield i´ll have from my Mary Jane in a few months, put´s things into perspective.

:rasta:

[silenthill22]

I hope they don't expect the U.S. to help them. Our politicians don't give a shit about a million dead third worlders. That's the sad truth! Our politicians will sometimes make an issue of things like this when they are running of some office and once they win we never hear anymore about it. It's all for show. We only seem to help when it can't be ignored anymore/forced to.

I wasn't aware this was going on over there either. I only hear about Darfur etc but never Vietnam/Laos etc.

[sktigerjs]

So sickening see'ing those little girls raped and killed like that. I really really wish I had some super powers so I could go over there and yank off the penis' of the soldiers that commit these heinous acts.

What is wrong with this World? I mean as human beings I wish we could be much more compassionate; enough to actually put stop to these kinds of acts that happen to people every day and hour.

[pm4345]

I don't know if you understand that the "Hmong's" was recruited by the US Govt{hence} CIA. to help aid the American Soldiers in the Vietnam War.... So, by doing so....the AMERICANS fleeded and lefted them defenseless and now their getting slaughter/ hunt down to be annihilated; So, when they mean "LEADERS"!!! they mean "US (american people and the american Govt)".... to help stop the slaughtering of their people.... is that to much to ask??? since it is the United States fault....

what he said...

Another act of stupidity and cowardness on our part. Vietnam, Afghanistan (during Russian occupation), and now Iraq. What does the US think is going to happen once we leave Iraq?

[systmh]

what would history say, if we lost the battle? as general cornwallis said, "history would lie, as usual." this stuff never stops happening. it is the dark side-effect of human civilization. few ever hear about it.

poor kid. the horrors of vietnam never stopped for them; it's been raging for decades. is this the cost of our 'peace' and prosperity? for where there is life, there is most assuredly death. perhaps genocide is the inevitable balance against lawful human society.. perhaps this is the only way earth can support a population of 7 billion--with mass suffering.

[deathfromabove]

Its not the American people that made this situation but it is the American government fault and belive me the american goverment does not give a shit unlike the american people because the goverment is not for the people. all i ever hear the american goverment say is we bring dermocricy but they are not even a dermocricy themselfs ,but they are in fact a republic. - "I pledge alliegance, to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands .... "

the Soviet Union consistently maintained that it was a democracy; were they lying? Probably not. The issue is only answerable if you examine the Soviet concept of a democracy. Is the United States a democracy? Probably not. In the strictest sense of the word, American representative government comes closer to what the Greeks would call an aristocracy ("rule by the best") rather than a democracy ("rule by the people"). - A republic is a government in which a restricted group of citizens form a political unit, usually under the auspice of a charter, which directs them to elect representatives who will govern the state. Republics, by their very nature, tend to be free polities, not because they are elected by the citizens of the polity, but because they are bound by charters, which limit the responsibilities and powers of the state. The fact that people vote for representatives has nothing to do with making anything free. The logical consistency and rationality of the charter, as well as the willingness of the people to live by it, is what keeps people free.

A democracy is government by the majority. There is still a restricted group of citizens in a democracy, but this group rules directly and personally runs the state. The group may delegate specific tasks to individuals, such as generalships and governorships, but there is no question that the ruling force in a democracy is not a charter (if there even is a charter), but the vote of the majority. Democracies are free only if the people know what freedom is and are consistent in their application of it. If they don't know this, or more appropriately, if a majority of the people don't know this, then a democracy could be just as tyrannical as the worst dictator

[deathfromabove]

Its not the American people that made this situation but it is the American government fault and belive me the american goverment does not give a shit unlike the american people because the goverment is not for the people. all i ever hear the american goverment say is we bring dermocricy but they are not even a dermocricy themselfs ,but they are in fact a republic. - "I pledge alliegance, to the flag, of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands .... "

the Soviet Union consistently maintained that it was a democracy; were they lying? Probably not. The issue is only answerable if you examine the Soviet concept of a democracy. Is the United States a democracy? Probably not. In the strictest sense of the word, American representative government comes closer to what the Greeks would call an aristocracy ("rule by the best") rather than a democracy ("rule by the people"). - A republic is a government in which a restricted group of citizens form a political unit, usually under the auspice of a charter, which directs them to elect representatives who will govern the state. Republics, by their very nature, tend to be free polities, not because they are elected by the citizens of the polity, but because they are bound by charters, which limit the responsibilities and powers of the state. The fact that people vote for representatives has nothing to do with making anything free. The logical consistency and rationality of the charter, as well as the willingness of the people to live by it, is what keeps people free.

A democracy is government by the majority. There is still a restricted group of citizens in a democracy, but this group rules directly and personally runs the state. The group may delegate specific tasks to individuals, such as generalships and governorships, but there is no question that the ruling force in a democracy is not a charter (if there even is a charter), but the vote of the majority. Democracies are free only if the people know what freedom is and are consistent in their application of it. If they don't know this, or more appropriately, if a majority of the people don't know this, then a democracy could be just as tyrannical as the worst dictator ------In the long run though, a democracy will always become a tyranny, either by majority, or if the majority screw things up so badly and a tyrant seizes power from the ensuing chaos.

[solah]

wow, that boy came into the view of the camera motionless and with his intestines on his side, and he was still alive???? WTF...He had the will to live.
And he was still alive telling his story of what happened with his stomach outside his body...Wow, human beings are some miraculas life forms.

[tgd_02]

....
wat can be said...

[zer0b0mb]

This has to be one of the saddest, sickest, more horrifying displays of humanity or the lack thereof.

Just imagine what kind of will it takes for these people to get through from day to day basically waiting to be raped, tortured, killed.

Wild animals don't commit such acts on their worst enemies and yet we as humans are supposed to be the most evolved species.

'if ignorance is bliss than knock the smile off of my face'

[imadirtycardinal]

I hate people.... I have grown to distrust everything and everyone.

[Mr. Barlow]

I only pray that one day these days that these people will one day get their revenge. These soliders should be done away with like what hitler did with the jews. Put them all in one god damn big hole and let the scientist do their work.

It is a comment like that that shows why this kind of shit still goes on. Stop the killin with more killing? Why do you think these people are being murdered, because the soldiers view those people in the same light as your comment. Kill them and be done with it.

The same shit is going to happen in Iraq when the US pulls out of certain areas (areas without oil). All the people who believed in the US and supported them to help rebuild their country are going to get slaughtered by the insurgents. It is already happening all over the place.

[BleedingHeart23]

That is sad. If you didnt cry you have no empathy for your fellow man/woman.

[Afronaught]

Taken from Wikipedia:

Wikipedia article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people#The_Secret_War)

During the 1990s, many Hmong refugees living in Thailand were forcibly repatriated to Laos by the Thai government. This action, made with general support from UNHCR and the Clinton Administration, became highly controversial. Many Hmong people alleged that they were persecuted by the Laotian regime upon their return.
The forced return of the Hmong was staunchly opposed by many American conservatives and human rights activists. In a 1995 National Review article, Michael Johns labeled the decision to return Hmong veterans to Laos a "betrayal". Pressure built on the Clinton administration to alter its repatriation policy and, in a significant political victory for the Hmong, most refugees were subsequently resettled to other countries, with many moving to the United States. The last major resettlement of about 15,000 Hmong from the Wat Tham Krabok camp began in 2004.
In 2004 and 2005, thousands of Hmong fled from the jungles of Laos to a temporary refugee camp in the Thai province of Phetchabun. These Hmong refugees, many of whom are descendants of the former-CIA Secret Army and their relatives, claim that they have been attacked by both the Lao and Vietnamese military forces operating inside Laos as recently as June 2006. The refugees claim that attacks against them have continued almost unabated since the war officially ended in 1975, and have become more intense in recent years.
Filmmaker Rebecca Sommer documented first-hand accounts in her documentary, "Hunted Like Animals", and in a comprehensive Report which includes summaries of claims made by the refugees, which was submitted to the U.N system in May 2006.
The European Union, UNHCHR, UNHCR, and international groups have spoken out about the forced repatriation.[30], [31], [32] The Thai foreign ministry has said that it will halt deportation of Hmong refugees held in Detention Centers Nong Khai, while talks are underway to resettle them in the Netherlands, Australia, Canada and the United States. [33]For the time being, countries willing to resettle the refugees are hindered to proceed with immigration and settlement procedures, as the Thai administration doesn't grant them access to the refugees. Plans to resettle refugees in the United States have been complicated by provisions of the Patriot Act and Real ID Act under which Hmong veterans of the Secret War, who fought on the side of the United States, are classified as terrorists.

[Mukphly]

That little boy (MAN) with his guts laying next to him saying his stomach hurt. I will never ever snivel about an upset stomach from this day forward. How much more of this goes on in other countries that I don't know about? These people are being butchered and I had no idea. I am so sorry. :( :mad2: :1zhelp:

[speeddrift]

that was horrible, those poor people. but i am so glad that filecabi puts up videos like these that open our eyes to these events.

[Jimmy_James]

I've lived in Thailand and Laos and it's not that fucking bad.. that is such a biased video that shows perhaps the smallest percentage of oppressed people in the country.. if you're going through hell then get the fuck out.. ok, they can't leave and get work b/c of boarder control... what a load of crap, the united states is the ONLY country with boarder patrol.. i've been all over asia and not once did i cross boarder patrol or anyone who asked to see my passport.. i mean we have Cubans in little life boats who can get into out country, and we're supposed to be number one in terms on boarder protection etc... why don't you tell the uneducated common folk to leave the country instead of watching their brother and sister killed... i only wish i could go back with an American funded mercenary force and torture the fuck out of the vigilante groups, but honestly, if they know that shit is happening i really don't buy the "we can't help ourselves" because I've lived there and seen it firsthand... dumb dictator [REMOVED] will always try to take over the world but i hope to god that we can finally sign off on the assassination bill and take care of those [REMOVED].. having lived first hand in the jungle and been exposed to this ultimate sin i can say that it is extremely blown out of proportion however i would love to torture some utilitarian [REMOVED] and their little [REMOVED] children, who they give gun as early as 5, and then tie them up and watch me cut their wifes tits off... fuck the vigilante groups and I hope god denies you all heaven and you suffer for all eternity in hell

[Please learn some restraint if you intend to continue posting upon these boards - racism is not tolerated here. -Snuff]

I dont want to be one of those "tough guys" who threatens people on the net and trys to sound all hard. But you mate, are lucky there is alot of space between my computer and yours.

[deathfromabove]

FORDJR - your post is possibly the most ignorant piece of crap I've ever read.

[vilecabi.net]

This is true all over the world -- modern militaries always pick on the most defenseless around them -- cowardice!!!

[vilecabi.net]

I've lived in Thailand and Laos and it's not that fucking bad.. that is such a biased video that shows perhaps the smallest percentage of oppressed people in the country.. if you're going through hell then get the fuck out.. ok, they can't leave and get work b/c of boarder control... what a load of crap, the united states is the ONLY country with boarder patrol.. i've been all over asia and not once did i cross boarder patrol or anyone who asked to see my passport.. i mean we have Cubans in little life boats who can get into out country, and we're supposed to be number one in terms on boarder protection etc... why don't you tell the uneducated common folk to leave the country instead of watching their brother and sister killed... i only wish i could go back with an American funded mercenary force and torture the fuck out of the vigilante groups, but honestly, if they know that shit is happening i really don't buy the "we can't help ourselves" because I've lived there and seen it firsthand... dumb dictator [REMOVED] will always try to take over the world but i hope to god that we can finally sign off on the assassination bill and take care of those [REMOVED].. having lived first hand in the jungle and been exposed to this ultimate sin i can say that it is extremely blown out of proportion however i would love to torture some utilitarian [REMOVED] and their little [REMOVED] children, who they give gun as early as 5, and then tie them up and watch me cut their wifes tits off... fuck the vigilante groups and I hope god denies you all heaven and you suffer for all eternity in hell

[Please learn some restraint if you intend to continue posting upon these boards - racism is not tolerated here. -Snuff]

You are one of the worst human beings. How dare you tell them "well, then just get out" That is their fucking home -- you want humans to just move when threatened? I pray you never have to go through what they do one day -- because countries change and situations change. Dont take your peace and security lightly. Someone else died for it, but you wanna act all high and mighty as if you someone had a part in your current safety. Grow the fuck up!

[uLcEr]

:2twocents:

[jonmcc33]

I could only watch 30 seconds and then was annoyed by the jibber jabber of them talking.

[VIKING33NY]

Those that do these things will ONE DAY BE JUDGED!!!

[VIKING33NY]

When they cry, it's such a hurtful cry. It's so real that it hurts. THAT KIND OF CRY IS FROM THE HEART, THAT'S TRUE HURT!!!!!

That poor child!!! His guts spilled out. USA!!!! WHERE ARE YOU?!!!!

Can someone please spill some oil on the ground over there so that our country

will help these poor people? (WHERE ARE THE AMERICANS FOR THESE PEOPLE?!!!!!)

Dick Chaney, CAN YOU HEAR THEIR CRIES?!!

GEORGE BUSH!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU?!!!

[VIKING33NY]

Usa, Where Are You For Them?

[SuicideRUN]

The US government can't even take care of it's own people. If you think the government gives a shit about these people, then you need to be slapped with some reality. Second of all, most of the people that made the calls in the vietnam war are dead. If you wanna bitch about the Iraq war then fine, but don't blame the government of today for what others did 40 years ago.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't know if you understand that the "Hmong's" was recruited by the US Govt{hence} CIA. to help aid the American Soldiers in the Vietnam War.... So, by doing so....the AMERICANS fleeded and lefted them defenseless and now their getting slaughter/ hunt down to be annihilated; So, when they mean "LEADERS"!!! they mean "US (american people and the american Govt)".... to help stop the slaughtering of their people.... is that to much to ask??? since it is the United States fault....
Yeah yeah yeah, Blame America™ instead of those who are actually doing the slaughtering. Too bad we never did anything for them. Oh yeah, except provide refugee status for and take in TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND Hmong, plus help arrange for refugee status for tens of thousands more in other countries. So STFU.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the reason we were in Vietnam in the first place was to try to STOP the proliferation of governments like the ones that do shit like this? The self-satisfaction and utter lack of perspective so many people display in pointing out that we failed is disgusting. Better to have tried and failed, and listen to insufferable gits bitch about the failure, than to have stood by and done nothing at all -- because people will bitch about us doing that too, as they are now regarding Darfur. The world has expectations of America that we simply cannot meet, and yet when we try, the world throws rotten fruit at us like a pack of marmosets. And then complain when we don't feel like coming back for more. No wonder more and more Americans are embracing the idea of telling the rest of the world to fuck off and letting the chips fall where they may. (Hey Europe, next time another genocide starts flaring up in the Balkans, to take care of it your fucking selves instead of sitting around like a bunch of retarded quadriplegics watching it happen and then crying to Daddy America to come break up the fight. Sound like a deal?)

I wonder how many people clamoring for the U.S. to leave Iraq today will be bitching about the humanitarian crisis 20 years from now if they get their wish. My guess is all of them, given the tiresome self-righteousness so many of them display without a hint of embarrassment. So here's a "fuck you" from me to those people, 20 years early.

[brownbearclan]

I've lived in Thailand and Laos and it's not that fucking bad.. that is such a biased video that shows perhaps the smallest percentage of oppressed people in the country.. if you're going through hell then get the fuck out.. ok, they can't leave and get work b/c of boarder control... what a load of crap, the united states is the ONLY country with boarder patrol.. i've been all over asia and not once did i cross boarder patrol or anyone who asked to see my passport.. i mean we have Cubans in little life boats who can get into out country, and we're supposed to be number one in terms on boarder protection etc... why don't you tell the uneducated common folk to leave the country instead of watching their brother and sister killed... i only wish i could go back with an American funded mercenary force and torture the fuck out of the vigilante groups, but honestly, if they know that shit is happening i really don't buy the "we can't help ourselves" because I've lived there and seen it firsthand... dumb dictator [REMOVED] will always try to take over the world but i hope to god that we can finally sign off on the assassination bill and take care of those [REMOVED].. having lived first hand in the jungle and been exposed to this ultimate sin i can say that it is extremely blown out of proportion however i would love to torture some utilitarian [REMOVED] and their little [REMOVED] children, who they give gun as early as 5, and then tie them up and watch me cut their wifes tits off... fuck the vigilante groups and I hope god denies you all heaven and you suffer for all eternity in hell

[Please learn some restraint if you intend to continue posting upon these boards - racism is not tolerated here. -Snuff]

Um...wow. So because you spent some time near there you assume you know what these people are up against!? How could you possibly even know or say something like that. Not to mention that your racist comments don't belong here, but also have nothing to do with the "point" your trying to make. Shame on you, SHAME! Bad dog! (((smacks with rolled up newspaper))) :mad2:

Usa, Where Are You For Them?

That's an interesting comment. See, whenever people are in trouble that's one of the first things people say. Then once the war is under way, everyone hates the U.S. for trying to help and assumes we're there for other political agendas. However I do understand that it was the U.S. Government who left these people high and dry in this situation.

A little consistency would be nice for once is all I'm trying to say here. :)

[Snuff.]

Yeah yeah yeah, Blame America™ instead of those who are actually doing the slaughtering. Too bad we never did anything for them. Oh yeah, except provide refugee status for and take in TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND Hmong, plus help arrange for refugee status for tens of thousands more in other countries. So STFU.

So did the rest of Europe.

The whole reason there was so much violence was because the States got involved in the first place, thus providing resistance. The communists could've rolled over the place without a problem if it weren't for American involvement.

Sure, it wouldn't have been totally clean and who knows what the consequences for the Vietnamese people would've been in the long run, but in the short term their wouldn't have been a fraction of the violence and despair that came due to American involvement.

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the reason we were in Vietnam in the first place was to try to STOP the proliferation of governments like the ones that do shit like this?

Not when we've (emphasis on "WE") bankrolled just as many government who've committed atrocities. Please Curmudgeon - I KNOW you're not this naive. Don't allow inflammatory statements by other members to turn you into a reactionary.

The self-satisfaction and utter lack of perspective so many people display in pointing out that we failed is disgusting.

Yes it is.

Better to have tried and failed, and listen to insufferable gits bitch about the failure, than to have stood by and done nothing at all -- because people will bitch about us doing that too, as they are now regarding Darfur.

America, bless you, you haven't always been particularly good at choosing your wars. Whatever the case, though, Vietnam is a horrible example for your employment of the adage "better to have tried and failed..." as I'm sure, upon reflection, you'll agree.

The world has expectations of America that we simply cannot meet, and yet when we try, the world throws rotten fruit at us like a pack of marmosets. And then complain when we don't feel like coming back for more.

As I've said; you're not very good at choosing your wars. Your foreign policy has for the best part of the last half-century revolved around paranoia or unambiguous self-interest. This is all fine and dandy when lined up with the rest of the Western powers' atrocious track-record but for the fact that you've held the executive seat in NATO since it was formed and accommodate the territorial base of the UN.

You seem to forget that you're a superpower at the self-appointed helm of international leadership. ;)

Try and get things in perspective, here.

No wonder more and more Americans are embracing the idea of telling the rest of the world to fuck off and let the chips fall where they may. (Hey Europe, next time another genocide starts flaring up in the Balkans, to take care of it your fucking selves instead of sitting around like a bunch of retarded quadriplegics watching it happen and then crying to Daddy America to come break up the fight. Sound like a deal?)

That's not fair. Apart from your complicity with and involvement in the UNPR, when the crunch came who fought alongside you? British harriers, for a start - NATO. Not the USA alone, sir.

I wonder how many people clamoring for the U.S. to leave Iraq today will be bitching about the humanitarian crisis 20 years from now if they get their wish. My guess is all of them, given the tiresome self-righteousness so many of them display without a hint of embarrassment. So here's a "fuck you" from me to those people, 20 years early.

:1orglaugh:

A humanitarian crisis caused by a fuckwitted invasion! There wasn't half the sectarian violence under Saddam's reign that there is now.

Seriously, Curmudgeon, don't let the trolls pull you down to this level. There's absolutely no need for it.

[c stylez 360]

Damn.

[Jegar]

It's the perfect words for gettin some; "I'm the only left in my family, everyone else but me was killed and i need to spread my genes, would you like to help?"

[macphisto80]

this stuff never stops happening. it is the dark side-effect of human civilization. few ever hear about it.



Apart from those that have endured or suffered it.

It's just natural. Don't try to understand it. It will get you nowhere. It's natural, and it's in natures law to be cruel, so we are too.

[Curmudgeon]

The whole reason there was so much violence was because the States got involved in the first place, thus providing resistance. The communists could've rolled over the place without a problem if it weren't for American involvement.No, the whole reason there was so much violence is because virtually all of Indochina was taken over by ruthless, blood-thirsty thugs. Do you truly expect me to believe that a government whose agents are still affecting a genocide and displacement of an entire ethnicity -- not just the members of it that resisted -- 30 years after the war's end would have behaved rationally if not for American involvement? And you want to tell me about my naivete? The communist takeover of nearly the entire Indochinese peninsula -- the prevention of which was our long-term strategic goal in the fight to save South Vietnam -- resulted in a bloodbath of at least TWO MILLION civilians whose deaths had NOTHING to do with support for or loyalty to the U.S. It also created a refugee crisis that, as this video unambiguously demonstrates, is ongoing to this day.
Not when we've (emphasis on "WE") bankrolled just as many government who've committed atrocities. We've bankrolled (and still do bankroll) shitty governments because we live in an imperfect world where the choices are less frequently between good and bad outcomes than between bad and even worse outcomes. We often bankroll shitty regimes to prevent their overthrow by even shittier people -- such as, say, those who are indiscriminately blowing people up in Baghdad outdoor markets. One of the long-term strategic purposes of the Iraq war was to try to change the political climate in the Middle East so that hopefully we (and the entire West, really) would have fewer "bad-versus-worse" calculations to make in the future. Well, it seems what we're learning is that those calculations still produce more desireable outcomes than any presently available alternatives. And we've also learned that our efforts to try reduce the number of these cynical, morally dubious calculations earns us scorn like this:

A humanitarian crisis caused by a fuckwitted invasion! There wasn't half the sectarian violence under Saddam's reign that there is now.In other words, we catch shit when we try to maintain status quo, and we catch shit when we try to change the status quo. If anyone has ever wondered why so many Americans just don't give a fat flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks of us, this is why. We're fucking tired of being told we suck if we do one thing, we suck if we do the exact opposite, and we suck if we do nothing at all. If we're damned if we do and damned if we don't, we might as well do what we damned well please.

[CheatumTheMidget]

wow...i cried. Such horrible atrocities, that exsist even in this day and age. If this is the cost for my peaceful life then I don't want it.

[SuicideRUN]

America is in a bad spot. If we try to help, the world blames us for interfering. If we say out of it, the world whines about how we just left them. We are screwed no matter what we do.

[yodeling_Yoda]

*** Interesting Fact ***

China helped vietcong kick america out of vietnam, after the allies were kicked out the vietcong immediately turned on china and they fought each other for over 6 years after that... (interestingly not many people know about the later wars)


often when you go into a war you have to choose between the lesser of two evil. unfortunately after WWII the world's definition of "evil" has been twisted to include potential economic & religious opponents too.

[SolarBear]

That's awful, nothing funny about this video. Except for the fact that they want "The Leaders" to help them, I hope they aren't referring to the United States Government, cause that is the last thing we need to dip our nose into..unless they have valuable resources of course, then it's an exception. Ain't that how it works?

I think when she says "The leaders" she might be talking about the Thai government. About five minutes in, the woman in the yellow dress says something about Thailand wanting to send them back.

[Snuff.]

No, the whole reason there was so much violence is because virtually all of Indochina was taken over by ruthless, blood-thirsty thugs. Do you truly expect me to believe that a government whose agents are still affecting a genocide and displacement of an entire ethnicity -- not just the members of it that resisted -- 30 years after the war's end would have behaved rationally if not for American involvement?

No, I'm suggesting the death toll and strife of the Vietnamese were greatly exacerbated by American involvement

The communist takeover of nearly the entire Indochinese peninsula -- the prevention of which was our long-term strategic goal in the fight to save South Vietnam -- resulted in a bloodbath of at least TWO MILLION civilians whose deaths had NOTHING to do with support for or loyalty to the U.S. It also created a refugee crisis that, as this video unambiguously demonstrates, is ongoing to this day.

To blame the continuing plight of the Hmong entirely upon their involvement with the USA would be foolish, but it doubtlessly fueled their genocide and exodus from Vietnam to a great extent.

Furthermore, without wanting to sound a leftist apologist, it was revolution. It was never going to be sweet, but America made it one whole hell of a lot worse. And why, exactly? Because of paranoia and vested interest. Even considering the war protected the surrounding region from further upheaval, the debate regarding this benefit outweighing the horrendous cost to the Vietnamese (and to America) is bu no means closed.

Lastly, if you believe there to have been the remotest humanitarian interest behind invading Vietnam then I stand resolute in my conviction that you are naive.

We've bankrolled (and still do bankroll) shitty governments because we live in an imperfect world where the choices are less frequently between good and bad outcomes than between bad and even worse outcomes.

Bullshit.

It's about economic cooperation 98% of the time, as well you know.

We often bankroll shitty regimes to prevent their overthrow by even shittier people -- such as, say, those who are indiscriminately blowing people up in Baghdad outdoor markets.

Well, there's a two percent example from...ooh, look at that; another situation imposed by interference.

One of the long-term strategic purposes of the Iraq war was to try to change the political climate in the Middle East so that hopefully we (and the entire West, really) would have fewer "bad-versus-worse" calculations to make in the future. Well, it seems what we're learning is that those calculations still produce more desireable outcomes than any presently available alternatives. And we've also learned that our efforts to try reduce the number of these cynical, morally dubious calculations earns us scorn like this:

I'm not getting into Iraq, here - suffice to say that had Saddam played above the board it wouldn't have mattered how many people he tortured or how many Islamists he harboured.

In other words, we catch shit when we try to maintain status quo, and we catch shit when we try to change the status quo. If anyone has ever wondered why so many Americans just don't give a fat flying fuck what the rest of the world thinks of us, this is why. We're fucking tired of being told we suck if we do one thing, we suck if we do the exact opposite, and we suck if we do nothing at all. If we're damned if we do and damned if we don't, we might as well do what we damned well please.

You catch shit when you flout international law and ready half-cocked invasions with reactionary motives.

[Afronaught]

Originally Posted by fordjr http://www.filecabi.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.filecabi.net/forum/showthread.php?p=148552#post148552)
I've lived in Thailand and Laos and it's not that fucking bad.. that is such a biased video that shows perhaps the smallest percentage of oppressed people in the country.. if you're going through hell then get the fuck out.. ok, they can't leave and get work b/c of boarder control... what a load of crap, the united states is the ONLY country with boarder patrol.. i've been all over asia and not once did i cross boarder patrol or anyone who asked to see my passport.. i mean we have Cubans in little life boats who can get into out country, and we're supposed to be number one in terms on boarder protection etc... why don't you tell the uneducated common folk to leave the country instead of watching their brother and sister killed... i only wish i could go back with an American funded mercenary force and torture the fuck out of the vigilante groups, but honestly, if they know that shit is happening i really don't buy the "we can't help ourselves" because I've lived there and seen it firsthand... dumb dictator [REMOVED] will always try to take over the world but i hope to god that we can finally sign off on the assassination bill and take care of those [REMOVED].. having lived first hand in the jungle and been exposed to this ultimate sin i can say that it is extremely blown out of proportion however i would love to torture some utilitarian [REMOVED] and their little [REMOVED] children, who they give gun as early as 5, and then tie them up and watch me cut their wifes tits off... fuck the vigilante groups and I hope god denies you all heaven and you suffer for all eternity in hell

[Please learn some restraint if you intend to continue posting upon these boards - racism is not tolerated here. -Snuff]


Actually Fordjr your statement leads me to believe you've never Lived in south east Asia, specifically Laos and Thailand. As you obviously have not delt with immigration in either of the countries. and you can not just simply walk over the border there, unless you have a deathwish and want to get shot, or get caught without the proper paperwork, and face prison in one of the worlds worst prison systems.

[Afronaught]

I don't know if you understand that the "Hmong's" was recruited by the US Govt{hence} CIA. to help aid the American Soldiers in the Vietnam War.... So, by doing so....the AMERICANS fleeded and lefted them defenseless and now their getting slaughter/ hunt down to be annihilated; So, when they mean "LEADERS"!!! they mean "US (american people and the american Govt)".... to help stop the slaughtering of their people.... is that to much to ask??? since it is the United States fault....

Actually when they refer to the Leaders, it's the Thai and Laos Government they are appealing to, More the Thai Government than anything else, they are appealing for refugee status so they can live in Nongkai province.

[yodeling_Yoda]

Actually Fordjr your statement leads me to believe you've never Lived in south east Asia, specifically Laos and Thailand. As you obviously have not delt with immigration in either of the countries.

he never even left home IMHO

i've been to many asian countries. in HK the police carry mp5 in the airport and the boarder security carries automatic assult rifles. there are boarders you know !!! and countries protect them diligently
go read some newspaper or watch BBC , CNN or something that shows you what real world is like. even in china when you're crossing from one province to another they check your ID !!! and thats within 1 country.

plus most people in those areas can't just leave their home, there are roads or big signs that point them to safety its all jungle. the boarder are usually protected by landmines anyway so a lot of people are stuck where they are.

All we can do is .... well nothing much really. except vote a better president next time :rolleyes:

[munacra]

Here is a fact.. If we pull troops out of IRAQ now this will happen there as well.

I say NUKE THEM TILL THEY GLOW then SHOOT THEM IN THE DARK!!

[Enigma]

I am Hmong. And it is sad that these things are still going on in other countries. Hmong leaders in America has been speaking with US gov. officials for years but nothing ever happens. This clip is only part of a few documentaries that has been done on the Hmong people that have been left behind. It must be said that not ALL Hmong people are being slaughter as seen in the video, but has been out casted by most if not all of Southeast Asia for helping the US during the Viet war. I try not to be biased in any way with this post, instead to help open the eyes of others who does not know that this exists. This isn't just in the Congo... this is world wide.

[Alexkickz]

Is it just me that caught the boobs at 04:26?

the boobs of a dead and raped child you f****** moron.
The video made me sad, your post did the rest to piss me off.

[Alexkickz]

he never even left home IMHO

i've been to many asian countries. in HK the police carry mp5 in the airport and the boarder security carries automatic assult rifles. there are boarders you know !!! and countries protect them diligently
go read some newspaper or watch BBC , CNN or something that shows you what real world is like. even in china when you're crossing from one province to another they check your ID !!! and thats within 1 country.

plus most people in those areas can't just leave their home, there are roads or big signs that point them to safety its all jungle. the boarder are usually protected by landmines anyway so a lot of people are stuck where they are.

All we can do is .... well nothing much really. except vote a better president next time :rolleyes:

Right. I experienced three well-armed military patrols in Thailand's north and east, while travelling there. They definitly know to protect their borders.

[S14DGENER8]

So did the rest of Europe.

The whole reason there was so much violence was because the States got involved in the first place, thus providing resistance. The communists could've rolled over the place without a problem if it weren't for American involvement.

Sure, it wouldn't have been totally clean and who knows what the consequences for the Vietnamese people would've been in the long run, but in the short term their wouldn't have been a fraction of the violence and despair that came due to American involvement.



Not when we've (emphasis on "WE") bankrolled just as many government who've committed atrocities. Please Curmudgeon - I KNOW you're not this naive. Don't allow inflammatory statements by other members to turn you into a reactionary.



Yes it is.



America, bless you, you haven't always been particularly good at choosing your wars. Whatever the case, though, Vietnam is a horrible example for your employment of the adage "better to have tried and failed..." as I'm sure, upon reflection, you'll agree.



As I've said; you're not very good at choosing your wars. Your foreign policy has for the best part of the last half-century revolved around paranoia or unambiguous self-interest. This is all fine and dandy when lined up with the rest of the Western powers' atrocious track-record but for the fact that you've held the executive seat in NATO since it was formed and accommodate the territorial base of the UN.

You seem to forget that you're a superpower at the self-appointed helm of international leadership. ;)

Try and get things in perspective, here.



That's not fair. Apart from your complicity with and involvement in the UNPR, when the crunch came who fought alongside you? British harriers, for a start - NATO. Not the USA alone, sir.



:1orglaugh:

A humanitarian crisis caused by a fuckwitted invasion! There wasn't half the sectarian violence under Saddam's reign that there is now.

Seriously, Curmudgeon, don't let the trolls pull you down to this level. There's absolutely no need for it.
i think all of those opinions are biased becase you're only looking at it from the UK side

[uLcEr]

When they cry, it's such a hurtful cry. It's so real that it hurts. THAT KIND OF CRY IS FROM THE HEART, THAT'S TRUE HURT!!!!!

That poor child!!! His guts spilled out. USA!!!! WHERE ARE YOU?!!!!

Can someone please spill some oil on the ground over there so that our country

will help these poor people? (WHERE ARE THE AMERICANS FOR THESE PEOPLE?!!!!!)

Dick Chaney, CAN YOU HEAR THEIR CRIES?!!

GEORGE BUSH!!!!! WHERE ARE YOU?!!!

damn, these guys wanna beat me up - CHANEY, BUSH, HELP ME; THE USoA ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYONE!

i know that these people are suffering; very bad. but there are so many people suffering - u cannot help them all. america is not the world police.

"america - fuck YEAH"

you think i'm cruel?

get a harder paring.

[uLcEr]

Here is a fact.. If we pull troops out of IRAQ now this will happen there as well.

I say NUKE THEM TILL THEY GLOW then SHOOT THEM IN THE DARK!!

[REMOVED]

people as stupid as u would become a neo-nazi in germany *roflmao*

how about some cold water against ur face and a nice cup of STFU

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[bigballer]

Is it just me that caught the boobs at 04:26?

http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r208/bradpurvis/3331imhn49j8d5.gif

wow another newbie trying to impress us... no comment can shock us dude, we've heard it all, move on to another website with people who will give you the attention you crave so desperately

[Jrobe20]

It kind of puts the whole Imus thing in perspective!

[Enigma]

i know that these people are suffering; very bad. but there are so many people suffering - u cannot help them all. america is not the world police.
But do you understand that the US left the Hmong people to fend for themselves. At the same time some Hmong people believe that some of the higher ranking Hmong officials that was originally recruited by the CIA has also abandoned them.

[Rav]

fuck I thought this was gonna be a video I saw on bangedup.com where people were executed....very very graphic, if I can remember correctly a man was tied down and his neck cut severly and you can hear on the audio wheezing and the man slowly dying, then beheaded pretty sick stuff...this is pretty softcore compared to that vid.

Also numerous people were face down in the dirt and got an AK-FO7 round to the back of the head...truely fuckin sick...

http://www.bangedup.com/post.php?media=9147

^^
WARNING: EXTREME GORE NSFW or HOME... :eek: :eek:

[uLcEr]

fuck I thought this was gonna be a video I saw on bangedup.com where people were executed....very very graphic, if I can remember correctly a man was tied down and his neck cut severly and you can hear on the audio wheezing and the man slowly dying, then beheaded pretty sick stuff...this is pretty softcore compared to that vid.

Also numerous people were face down in the dirt and got an AK-FO7 round to the back of the head...truely fuckin sick...

http://www.bangedup.com/post.php?media=9147

^^
WARNING: EXTREME GORE NSFW or HOME... :eek: :eek:

Thx! one of the cruelest execution videos i've ever saw.

[StudLife27]

More answers and details to questions you may have about this topic.

http://www.kcra.com/news/13440983/detail.html


America turn their back on then, now they are turning back around and back slapping them. These younger hotshot US District Attorneys have no clue about what happened and the details of the US involvement.

I hope some old school CIA connected like George Bush Sr. can pull some strings and make something happen for the ones arrested and to help the current Hmongs that are hunted like Animals right now in Loas.

[StudLife27]

A good read on these people and topic.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0610/dis_arnold.html